There are all sorts of web mail applets, scripts, etc which will work off pine and sendmail. No email on the hard drive, no viruses, no depending on your clients to acutally RUN virus software.
You can set the server to scan.
I wouldn't call $54 per seat, not-so-nice, which is what Exchange client sells for.
We looked at implemeting Exchange here and when our management, who had been pushing for it got the price tag, they promptly went away.
Our price tag for about 2000 users - $300,000.00+
We were looking at having to implement Exchange here for about 2000 users. Fortunately for us, our Financial Office killed that idea. It was going to cost us $300,000 just to get the hardware, the software, and the extra people we'll need to administer the system.
Or we can spend $11,000.00 and upgrade the Netscape mail system we have now.
Hmmmm....
You have no choice but to sell banners or other ads. Advertising is going to pay for your bandwith, your hosting, and your new software. Get used to it. I also suggest that you find some "premium" services that you can add and charge users to access those.
You need to automate your processes whenever and where ever possible. Learn to use scripts, bots, etc to do your work for you. QUIT DOING IT BY HAND!!! You may have to change some policies. Make it clear to your users why you are doing what you are doing. Also make it clear to them that you are doing this because you want to be able to continue as a free or largely free service. They'll understand. You however, HAVE to stick to your policies.
There is no reason to spend hours and hours updating your site. Get a database that can handle BLOB's - Binary Large Objects and use it to feed your site. At that point, HTML, images, EVERYTHING becomes a database object. You use SQL queries or scripts to retreive the items. Just set the code to get the most current (by date) and display that one.
You will need to do maintence once in a while, like removing old stuff from your database, archives, and backups. This will not be nearly as labor intensive as what you have been doing.
Use java applets or scripts on each page to stop folks from linking to your site directly, if you have a site with this kind of a problem.
Copyright your content and make a deal with an attorney. No money involved. Maybe banner ads or something for free in return for dealing with your copyright infringements for free. This usuallly is a good deal for the attorney since all he has to do is send a nasty-gram to the offening party.
First off, you have to seperate old Novell from new Novell. The old Novell from the crunchy 4.x and earlier days bears little to no resemblance to the latest release. New Novell is a pretty slick package and if more prople knew about it
Novell isn't irrelevant and probably never will be. It really isn't so much a server OS as a network OS. It's LDAP compliant and much more. Rumor has it that with 6 due out quite soon (before the end of the year) that the pricing structure will change considerably.
It has user management feature which puts Windows and Unix/Linux to shame. It's network security is unmached. It's stable and reliable. It's web server (in 6) can serve up approximately 10 times the number of pages that a Linux/Apache box can on the same hardware. It's easy to mange.
It comes with a whole host of applications, like ZENworks, GroupWise, etc that let you pull off some really slick techo-magic with minimal effort.
If you ignore the price tag, it's nearly perfect. However, due to Novell's pricing structure there are LOTS of networking folks out there who have not had any recent Novell experience. Like me, they are slow to recommend what they don't already know and love. If Novell follows through and restructures their pricing, they may well have a very competitive product
XSL/XSS/XML/XSLT/DTD are all required in order to make the solution work at full strength. It's a big learning curve and many people aren't comfortable with it. It's not easy to begin with and having to do it on the fly is even worse.
Secondly, it uses a lot of really new technology and not all the kinks have been worked out yet. There are engines like Cocoon, etc that you can use, but that can make things even more difficult. I am a HUGE proponent of things like XML, Java, and LDAP. I have been preaching Java to people for 6 years and my friends are FINALLY starting to listen to me. Write it one time, run it anywhere. No more porting to new hardware!
I am also preaching about XML et al, but at the same time you have to use the appropriate tool for the job. You don't use a tactical nuke to kill a mosquito and you don't use XML for small things because the coding is so intensive.
I suggest you visit the W3C and read about what's been going on and what's coming in the world of XML. When in doubt, go to the source. In this case, the folks that write the standards.
There are too many sites out there like www.dice.com, www.monster.com, www.careerbuilder.com, etc where one can shop around and find a more suitable job. One mans stress is another mans security.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR JOB, YOUR BOSS, ETC. GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I suppose that you are waiting for the perfect job to find you? Your dream boss is going to hunt you down? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!
There are 168 hours a week. If you are like most IT folks you work at least 50 of those. That's 29.7% of your life every week - MINIMUM. None of us lives for ever and to spend that much of your adult life doing something you hate will kill you in the end. So quit whining and do something about it.
If you need help, there are all kinds of headhunters out there who would LOVE to help you out.
The thing this the JVM operates at different speeds on different OS's. I wonder if gamers will get around to using Linux/Unix variants since the JVM is usually quicker on those platforms?
I can see some poor windows guy getting shot up because his JVM won't let him get out of the way...
Hey, come to think of it, that might be a lot more fun than a custard pie.......
"Unix is no longer an operating system. An operating system is the software that comes with a computer (or OS distribution) that programmers and users need to make themselves productive."
I guess my Solaris Workstation that I do web development on isn't productive?
"Unix is only a small part of that. Today, an OS is not just the kernel and a few command line utilities. It may include a graphical user interface, hundreds of utilities, and additional applications and functions that are required for it to run: Control panels, extensions, libraries and programming kits, and so on, are all part of a modern OS. Many people consider a Web browser, media player (like QuikTime), e-mail,file manager (like the Finder or Windows Explorer) and the like all part of the OS. The OS is all the stuff that companies like Sun or Apple add to make a computer usable."
I suppose he hasn't looked at Gnome or KDE lately because they have lots of control panels and a GUI file manager. You can get a variety of email clients. Media players are available for download, which support open source formats and not necessarily Apple's PROPIETARY format (QuickTime)
"While a browser is not integral to the code of the OS (as Microsoft tried to stupidly argue in court), it is quickly becoming an integral part of the user experience (which it should have argued)."
I guess he hasn't seen Netscape either, which is odd since lots of Mac users prefer it.
"Some companies will ship hardware with a
Unix distribution, but that's designed to allow companies (customers) to add their own value on top of Unix and create unique solutions.
DUH!
Here, Apple is creating an entire operating system. It has its foundation in Unix, and will use much of the Unix lower levels, but it is much more than that. Most of the Unix foundation, along with some value-added Apple technologies, lies in Darwin.
And this is different from every one else how.......
Just because you have some really cool technology doesn't make you a good business. Just because people have "made a killing" on companies like Yahoo doesn't mean that every business out there that ends in a ".com" is worth investing in. Many companies that have already gone IPO aren't worth investing in and the market is in for a big correction. These companies have NO assests, NO property, and most importantly, NO INCOME. None of the things that ought to be present in a conventional investment are there. I suppose that if you are a ".com" you are exempt from reality?
After all, e-commerce is still about just that - commerce. Webster's Dictionary defines commerce as
"the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportation from place to place." This is the most basic definition of doing business.
The problem is that most of the people doing the investing don't understand the technology, they don't understand the business plan, and they are greedy. They have heard that "internet stocks" are "hot right now" and following the usual herd mentality (which allowed Microsoft to become popular in the first place), and off they go with their hard earned dollars. Now that they are in danger of loosing their precious money, they are pouting and begging. They should have known it was a gamble and that the odds are about the same as Las Vegas. Best advice from my grandfather, "Never bet more than you can afford to loose." Guess the ".com" wanna-be's didn't have a grandfather?
What most of them don't realize is that, Darwinism applies to businesses far more than it does in the "natural" world. If a company can out compete its rivals, it grows and becomes more diverse. These companies are not up to muster and the shake out is the natural order of things. However, those businesses who do survive will be useful viable enterprises.
I did not start life as a Linux/Unix partisan. However, my recent experience with Linux (Red Hat 6.2, Cobalt RAQ Servers0, Unix (Solaris, AIX), and Win2k Server & Win2K Advanced Server has convinced me that the future of web servers does not lie with MS products.
Look folks, you want to know about W2K bugs. I have had to administer Windows 2K Professional (the workstation), Win2K Server & Advanced Server as a web master. I'd take RH7, Slackware, Suse, Corel (who probably has the best desktop GUI) and Apache anyday over Win2K Server or Advanced Server. Perl doesn't want to even compile on them. The have BIG issues in binding to LDAP. Php doesn't want to compile. I could go on and on about the problems we had with the Windows boxes. We finally gave up and switched to Sun/Solaris and everything works like a charm.
The whole point behind an OS to let you get on with DOING thing with the box besides trying to keep it running. Win2K has issues that keep it from performing its basic function as a server.
(I expect to get flamed for this) I happen to like the workstation version just fine. However, I don't want to have to stop and think about "Oh, I can't (fill in the blank) because my OS won't let me. I will not have that sort of reduced functionality in a server.
For those of you who don't realize what XML is, I will attempt to explain it. I'll give you an example. We have a Cerdian database on our mainframe with all of our hr stuff on it. We have our user info in LDAP. We have another database for our helpdesk. We have yet a third for our website. XML (and related technologies like DTD and XSL) allow us to a single web interface to do everything. We can create a user account on the web site which then updates LDAP, HR, and the helpdesk. The web site can, on each employees personal home page, display their home address, office address, user id, access permissions, mail stop, phone number, and open trouble tickets. XML makes every talk to everything else. For those of you who don't think its a big deal, I guess you didn't sign up for any of those free Yahoo shares either, huh????
The real issue here is why is a company as large as AT&T so desperate. The answer is how it is going to fund its expansion of AT&T@home, the cable modem/DSL service.
Several states (including California) have already placed moratoriums on sales of this service due to poor performance, not meeting contractual obligations with subscribers, etc. They have totally over-sold their existing infrastructure and in many cases the state Attorney Generals offices have given them time limits to being supplying the bandwith they have already sold.
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I would suggest that you also consider setting up a project on sourceforge.net. That's what the whole site is dedicated to.
There are all sorts of web mail applets, scripts, etc which will work off pine and sendmail. No email on the hard drive, no viruses, no depending on your clients to acutally RUN virus software. You can set the server to scan.
I wouldn't call $54 per seat, not-so-nice, which is what Exchange client sells for. We looked at implemeting Exchange here and when our management, who had been pushing for it got the price tag, they promptly went away. Our price tag for about 2000 users - $300,000.00+
We were looking at having to implement Exchange here for about 2000 users. Fortunately for us, our Financial Office killed that idea. It was going to cost us $300,000 just to get the hardware, the software, and the extra people we'll need to administer the system. Or we can spend $11,000.00 and upgrade the Netscape mail system we have now. Hmmmm....
Primitive civilization with a rudimentary understanding of the laws of physics.
First off, you have to seperate old Novell from new Novell. The old Novell from the crunchy 4.x and earlier days bears little to no resemblance to the latest release. New Novell is a pretty slick package and if more prople knew about it
Novell isn't irrelevant and probably never will be. It really isn't so much a server OS as a network OS. It's LDAP compliant and much more. Rumor has it that with 6 due out quite soon (before the end of the year) that the pricing structure will change considerably.
It has user management feature which puts Windows and Unix/Linux to shame. It's network security is unmached. It's stable and reliable. It's web server (in 6) can serve up approximately 10 times the number of pages that a Linux/Apache box can on the same hardware. It's easy to mange. It comes with a whole host of applications, like ZENworks, GroupWise, etc that let you pull off some really slick techo-magic with minimal effort.
If you ignore the price tag, it's nearly perfect. However, due to Novell's pricing structure there are LOTS of networking folks out there who have not had any recent Novell experience. Like me, they are slow to recommend what they don't already know and love. If Novell follows through and restructures their pricing, they may well have a very competitive product
XSL/XSS/XML/XSLT/DTD are all required in order to make the solution work at full strength. It's a big learning curve and many people aren't comfortable with it. It's not easy to begin with and having to do it on the fly is even worse.
Secondly, it uses a lot of really new technology and not all the kinks have been worked out yet. There are engines like Cocoon, etc that you can use, but that can make things even more difficult. I am a HUGE proponent of things like XML, Java, and LDAP. I have been preaching Java to people for 6 years and my friends are FINALLY starting to listen to me. Write it one time, run it anywhere. No more porting to new hardware!
I am also preaching about XML et al, but at the same time you have to use the appropriate tool for the job. You don't use a tactical nuke to kill a mosquito and you don't use XML for small things because the coding is so intensive.
I suggest you visit the W3C and read about what's been going on and what's coming in the world of XML. When in doubt, go to the source. In this case, the folks that write the standards.
There are too many sites out there like www.dice.com, www.monster.com, www.careerbuilder.com, etc where one can shop around and find a more suitable job. One mans stress is another mans security.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR JOB, YOUR BOSS, ETC. GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I suppose that you are waiting for the perfect job to find you? Your dream boss is going to hunt you down? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!
There are 168 hours a week. If you are like most IT folks you work at least 50 of those. That's 29.7% of your life every week - MINIMUM. None of us lives for ever and to spend that much of your adult life doing something you hate will kill you in the end. So quit whining and do something about it.
If you need help, there are all kinds of headhunters out there who would LOVE to help you out.
The thing this the JVM operates at different speeds on different OS's. I wonder if gamers will get around to using Linux/Unix variants since the JVM is usually quicker on those platforms? I can see some poor windows guy getting shot up because his JVM won't let him get out of the way... Hey, come to think of it, that might be a lot more fun than a custard pie.......
Once again you are assuming that that the folks wearing this sort of thing are smarter than the gear.
Once again you are assuming that that the folks wearing this sort of thing are smarter than the gear.
Now the average blonde will have clothing that's smarter than her too...
"Unix is no longer an operating system. An operating system is the software that comes with a computer (or OS distribution) that programmers and users need to make themselves productive."
I guess my Solaris Workstation that I do web development on isn't productive?
"Unix is only a small part of that. Today, an OS is not just the kernel and a few command line utilities. It may include a graphical user interface, hundreds of utilities, and additional applications and functions that are required for it to run: Control panels, extensions, libraries and programming kits, and so on, are all part of a modern OS. Many people consider a Web browser, media player (like QuikTime), e-mail,file manager (like the Finder or Windows Explorer) and the like all part of the OS. The OS is all the stuff that companies like Sun or Apple add to make a computer usable."
I suppose he hasn't looked at Gnome or KDE lately because they have lots of control panels and a GUI file manager. You can get a variety of email clients. Media players are available for download, which support open source formats and not necessarily Apple's PROPIETARY format (QuickTime)
"While a browser is not integral to the code of the OS (as Microsoft tried to stupidly argue in court), it is quickly becoming an integral part of the user experience (which it should have argued)."
I guess he hasn't seen Netscape either, which is odd since lots of Mac users prefer it.
"Some companies will ship hardware with a Unix distribution, but that's designed to allow companies (customers) to add their own value on top of Unix and create unique solutions.
DUH!
Here, Apple is creating an entire operating system. It has its foundation in Unix, and will use much of the Unix lower levels, but it is much more than that. Most of the Unix foundation, along with some value-added Apple technologies, lies in Darwin.
And this is different from every one else how.......
Just because you have some really cool technology doesn't make you a good business. Just because people have "made a killing" on companies like Yahoo doesn't mean that every business out there that ends in a ".com" is worth investing in. Many companies that have already gone IPO aren't worth investing in and the market is in for a big correction. These companies have NO assests, NO property, and most importantly, NO INCOME. None of the things that ought to be present in a conventional investment are there. I suppose that if you are a ".com" you are exempt from reality?
After all, e-commerce is still about just that - commerce. Webster's Dictionary defines commerce as "the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportation from place to place." This is the most basic definition of doing business.
The problem is that most of the people doing the investing don't understand the technology, they don't understand the business plan, and they are greedy. They have heard that "internet stocks" are "hot right now" and following the usual herd mentality (which allowed Microsoft to become popular in the first place), and off they go with their hard earned dollars. Now that they are in danger of loosing their precious money, they are pouting and begging. They should have known it was a gamble and that the odds are about the same as Las Vegas. Best advice from my grandfather, "Never bet more than you can afford to loose." Guess the ".com" wanna-be's didn't have a grandfather?
What most of them don't realize is that, Darwinism applies to businesses far more than it does in the "natural" world. If a company can out compete its rivals, it grows and becomes more diverse. These companies are not up to muster and the shake out is the natural order of things. However, those businesses who do survive will be useful viable enterprises.
If it lived for 250 million years in a salt crystal, it's going to be awfully hard to kill if it is pathogenic....... DANGER! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!
I did not start life as a Linux/Unix partisan. However, my recent experience with Linux (Red Hat 6.2, Cobalt RAQ Servers0, Unix (Solaris, AIX), and Win2k Server & Win2K Advanced Server has convinced me that the future of web servers does not lie with MS products. Look folks, you want to know about W2K bugs. I have had to administer Windows 2K Professional (the workstation), Win2K Server & Advanced Server as a web master. I'd take RH7, Slackware, Suse, Corel (who probably has the best desktop GUI) and Apache anyday over Win2K Server or Advanced Server. Perl doesn't want to even compile on them. The have BIG issues in binding to LDAP. Php doesn't want to compile. I could go on and on about the problems we had with the Windows boxes. We finally gave up and switched to Sun/Solaris and everything works like a charm. The whole point behind an OS to let you get on with DOING thing with the box besides trying to keep it running. Win2K has issues that keep it from performing its basic function as a server. (I expect to get flamed for this) I happen to like the workstation version just fine. However, I don't want to have to stop and think about "Oh, I can't (fill in the blank) because my OS won't let me. I will not have that sort of reduced functionality in a server.
For those of you who don't realize what XML is, I will attempt to explain it. I'll give you an example. We have a Cerdian database on our mainframe with all of our hr stuff on it. We have our user info in LDAP. We have another database for our helpdesk. We have yet a third for our website. XML (and related technologies like DTD and XSL) allow us to a single web interface to do everything. We can create a user account on the web site which then updates LDAP, HR, and the helpdesk. The web site can, on each employees personal home page, display their home address, office address, user id, access permissions, mail stop, phone number, and open trouble tickets. XML makes every talk to everything else. For those of you who don't think its a big deal, I guess you didn't sign up for any of those free Yahoo shares either, huh????
Since I know Karl, I feel comfortable in saying that HE IS AN AMERICAN!!!
The real issue here is why is a company as large as AT&T so desperate. The answer is how it is going to fund its expansion of AT&T@home, the cable modem/DSL service. Several states (including California) have already placed moratoriums on sales of this service due to poor performance, not meeting contractual obligations with subscribers, etc. They have totally over-sold their existing infrastructure and in many cases the state Attorney Generals offices have given them time limits to being supplying the bandwith they have already sold.