it does good to have systems that are public. open and free peering of qualified individuals can give a society a far better chance at influence and awareness. this already sort of works for sw, but then writing sw involves basically a brain, time, a computer and network access. it would work for chip production too if you somehow sort out the practical implications. currently only megacorps can do that so i'd say it falls out of the current scope. but there's really no need to build a free communal hi-tech production system. once we have enough mass (of people caring about stuff being nice and open) megacorps will listen. sw is the spearhead.:-)
that's very unfair. us of course won the propaganda war and pursued it's own interests, but the fact is they were decisive in saving our european asses from some very nasty shit had it prevailed, and it cost many americans their lives. show some respect.
Aren't you Europeans always laughing at Americans because they think 80 years is a long time?
we are not insensitive clods. the fact that the average american doesn't live up to 80 years despite living in the land of plenty is just sad. we would never laugh at that!
Our economic colonisator pushes us continuously in directions our real leaders don't want to. Even my own government is a bunch of puppets nowadays, controlled by money and fear.
it's that, and that current spanish government is actually a bunch of far right (mostly ultracatholic) fanatics. the judicial system is pretty full with those anyway since franco times. not that there are no "reasonable" judges, there are, but rarely in influential positions and they get promptly bullied out of the system if they irritate the bosses.
has been done. for example: first the voter uses a unique code to verify his vote is cast as intended. since the code is secret and unique to him, nobody else can see his vote until decrypted, but by then all votes will have been veryfiably anonymized, mixed, and all vote hashes publicly listed. the voter can check the list to see if his vote has been counted as cast and, vioilà, nobody knows shit about who he was or what he voted. secret!
from your own investigation you might have already inferred that "freedom of speech" is a indeed pretty broad concept. distributing content is speech. meta-speech if you like because the very act of doing so can be a statement. for me personally it undoubtly is.
copyright law originates from the very basic desire to control the printing press, a few centuries ago. the bits about the "creator" came later on and are just a byproduct, today that's the facade for another fundamental goal which is the control of information and business. of course this pleases those who make big profit from that. however, it screws everyone else, and diminishes society by promoting selfish values and severely damaging liberty of expression, freedom of speech if you prefer.
It's not always about Free Speech, sometimes it's just copyright infringement
that's funny because copyright law is fundamentally about censoring free speech.
so you can record a song and sell zillions of zero-cost copies for a profit. great! if i then buy one of those and share my own copy with anybody i'm suddenly a pirate? read my lips: gfy.
If all notices are treated as a whole, making no distinction between real freedom issues and pirates abusing the system, the battle will be lost.
that all notices are public is nice, so we can all see who the real pirates are.
doorbell rings. it's a handsome smiling man in worker suit, says something about plumbing, but you didn't call him, so you consider that if you let him in he might steal your cookies/rape your dog/kill you with an ice pick, so you don't.
we can't get a dumbfuck door to do what you just did?
no, we can't. it's just a dumbfuck door, you dumbfuck (no offense, just for the pun)
so what. blame is irrelevant. fact is big fish eats little fish, and that's the reality our world boils down while some continue living in an illusion of morality or justice. the financial system has destroyed millions of lives because it could, because there were dollars to be made and it doesn't give a fuck. entire nations are thrown into misery and scores of people get killed for the same reason. the same mom in the story is responsible for the death and ordeal of some kids in africa just for possessing a first world cheap electronic appliance (aka computer). who is to blame? we all are, in our stupidity. does it even make sense to blame someone, when there is no justice? our civilization is totally amoral beneath a tiny crust of hypocrisy. duh, i think i need a cup of tea.
pissed off ex employee with inside information and the chance to make a high profile disruption to those who would risk your mortgage and pension with little to no personal risk is a big fucking bullseye.
this simply narrows down your search, doesn't make anyone a suspect. it might turn out to be bogus and the motives totally different.
but they claim to have found a connection, that's a lead. not a strong one, in my opinion, but they may have no better. anyone wondering how they got access to the irc content? duh...
it's funny because scala IS a front end to java. yes, it was to the same 1.6 jvm op considered stalled. then one wonders: what do developers actually demand from a vm? what's the problem if it works, is solid, stable and predictable and doesn't get some new fancy (and mostly unneeded) goodies in a while?
yeah, well, if you want to share unrelated personal experiencies, when doing client stuff i use pure client frameworks (angular nowadays for the most part) as opposed to full server/client stacks which in my view don't cut it, and i like them to be focused and simple. regarding ides i've used all of them but i'm perfectly fine with emacs and a console. if your code needs a specific ide to work on it then it's pretty low value for me. yes, java projects tend to be file spewing monsters and i ocassionally fire up some ide (eclipse or intellij, any will do), but you'll have a hard time convincing me to set up visual studio just to inspect or run some of your c# code, i'll probably point you in the general direction away from my lawn.
ruby was completely unecessary, didn't bother with it and i'm glad it passed away with the hype (as expected) leaving just a legacy of crappy apps that need to be rewritten (or forgotten), c# was also redundant and late (unless you were a windows only freak) glad to hear they now want to mature and open up a bit, php is handy for small quick apps but nothing more (no matter how much they want to revamp it now), python is actually very cool (although i seldom have opportunity to use it) and go... well, go seems weird on purpose, it has some nice features but what was the need to screw up so much of the syntax for no reason? sick of evangelists, i think i'll pass, too...
thanks, i wasn't aware on that. not that i would bet on ms' "strong comitment", but lets wait and see what comes out from that!
i can understand that ms has found itself at some point isolated from current sw development state of the art and trends, and that they now want to catch up is a good thing. they just need to keep working and contributing and stop throwing fancy "product names" at ceos faces, and start thinking about developers in a non ms-centric world, which is what it is.
Quite a few people who program opensource are great at throwing together something quickly and making it work, but is brittle and crap at scaling
doesn't that apply to.net development as well? java has been a frequent choice in universities (despite ms efforts) and thus many freshmen are at least somewhat versed in java. ok, still freshmen, but at least with an academic background. you couldn't say the same about some vb/asp guys back in the days.
i work for a once start-up that is now a big international company, building sw that is complex, cpu and io intensive and that must be secure and scale, and often subject to academic review. it has been a java shop since day one. there's some libraries in c, several scripting languages used here and there, but not a single project has been developed in.net that i know of, and only very rarely some partner (which are specialized companies in several other countries) has done his part in.net. actually, only non-techies use windows at all in the company. as a developer you are given the choice, but only a few happen to choose windows and many of those switch to linux anyway after a while. not saying that all this couldn't be done in.net as well but, you see, scenarios vary and i happen to be in exactly your opposite.
With free tools from Microsoft, and the flexibility that is available from those tools, you don't need to buy anything from Microsoft to use.NET. A lot of these anti-.NET arguments are years out of date.
nope. but if you go java who cares about oracle? as long as they don't fuck up the jvm too much everything is fine. that's sun's legacy. and in if they finally do, there will be a fork.
(of course there's people buying all the expensive crap from oracle, but that's a different issue: people just doesn't know better, and is easily hypnotized by the "big company who knows better" bullshit)
And the primary argument against.NET is that it is a Microsoft product
Which is a stupid argument. Judge the product by the product, not its maker.
being concerned about "ms product" is not stupid. the ultimate purpose of.net is to sell windows licenses. if you are ok with using windows / cashing out for licenses, be my guest. if you are not then.net simply isn't an option (there's mono but it always was more a marketing stunt than a real option). java is nowadays an "oracle product", and that sucks too, but you can safely ignore the full stack of expensive bloat oracle offers, except for the jvm which is free as in beer, and will run almost everywhere. for now.
regarding technical merits... you can't really judgde such complex and large products by merely reading an abstract on them. you have to put them to use and the use cases vary wildly, and deploying a whole stack of solutions takes years. both can work, but it depends on many more choices you will make along the road. it's not something you "test". you choose and live with it.
then, the java ecosystem has been evolving for years with an unmatched community contributing an impressive stack of open source middleware and tools, and this is one of the main reasons java is so prevalent in enterprise. the paradigm "everything around the java language, in any os" turned out to be much stronger than "everything around windows os, in any language". no surprise, we already knew that before ballmer's "developers" dance.
if you ask me, it's irrelevant. i've been proficent in java-world for decades but it's now boring like hell, and i would not touch.net with a stick. fuck java, fuck.net, javascript is the new toy!:D
you realize that you live in a plutocracy, right? your regime is just softer, more photogenic, but not fundamentally different from those tyrannies. so are you, your precious lifestile is just a different manifestation of poverty: with all your gadgets (or maybe just because of them) you are powerless. you need to rise up and have a revolution. fancy that.:P
true, but all that doesn't come from thin air. specifically industralization has a high cost on the environment that we privileged don't pay. part of the magic is that we are shoving much of those costs on poor countries (which incidentally constitute the majority of the population and who do not eat better than ultra wealthy did 100 years ago).
so i guess i might do have some concerns besides eating, sleeping, fucking and dying.
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it does good to have systems that are public. open and free peering of qualified individuals can give a society a far better chance at influence and awareness. this already sort of works for sw, but then writing sw involves basically a brain, time, a computer and network access. it would work for chip production too if you somehow sort out the practical implications. currently only megacorps can do that so i'd say it falls out of the current scope. but there's really no need to build a free communal hi-tech production system. once we have enough mass (of people caring about stuff being nice and open) megacorps will listen. sw is the spearhead. :-)
that's very unfair. us of course won the propaganda war and pursued it's own interests, but the fact is they were decisive in saving our european asses from some very nasty shit had it prevailed, and it cost many americans their lives. show some respect.
Aren't you Europeans always laughing at Americans because they think 80 years is a long time?
we are not insensitive clods. the fact that the average american doesn't live up to 80 years despite living in the land of plenty is just sad. we would never laugh at that!
Our economic colonisator pushes us continuously in directions our real leaders don't want to. Even my own government is a bunch of puppets nowadays, controlled by money and fear.
it's that, and that current spanish government is actually a bunch of far right (mostly ultracatholic) fanatics. the judicial system is pretty full with those anyway since franco times. not that there are no "reasonable" judges, there are, but rarely in influential positions and they get promptly bullied out of the system if they irritate the bosses.
has been done. for example: first the voter uses a unique code to verify his vote is cast as intended. since the code is secret and unique to him, nobody else can see his vote until decrypted, but by then all votes will have been veryfiably anonymized, mixed, and all vote hashes publicly listed. the voter can check the list to see if his vote has been counted as cast and, vioilà, nobody knows shit about who he was or what he voted. secret!
from your own investigation you might have already inferred that "freedom of speech" is a indeed pretty broad concept. distributing content is speech. meta-speech if you like because the very act of doing so can be a statement. for me personally it undoubtly is.
copyright law originates from the very basic desire to control the printing press, a few centuries ago. the bits about the "creator" came later on and are just a byproduct, today that's the facade for another fundamental goal which is the control of information and business. of course this pleases those who make big profit from that. however, it screws everyone else, and diminishes society by promoting selfish values and severely damaging liberty of expression, freedom of speech if you prefer.
funny how you display such a narrow minded concept of "free speech" and yet call me the moron :-)
It's not always about Free Speech, sometimes it's just copyright infringement
that's funny because copyright law is fundamentally about censoring free speech.
so you can record a song and sell zillions of zero-cost copies for a profit. great! if i then buy one of those and share my own copy with anybody i'm suddenly a pirate? read my lips: gfy.
If all notices are treated as a whole, making no distinction between real freedom issues and pirates abusing the system, the battle will be lost.
that all notices are public is nice, so we can all see who the real pirates are.
you're not getting it: corporations are already bigger than most governments, and no government whatsoever can function without them anymore.
care to name the actuall well designed and maintained system that would have saved poor mommy from herself?
yeah, thought so.
bad news: to use a computer in the open network safely you need to know a few things. there's no way around that.
ms or apple or google might tell otherwise, but it's just fake.
doorbell rings. it's a handsome smiling man in worker suit, says something about plumbing, but you didn't call him, so you consider that if you let him in he might steal your cookies/rape your dog/kill you with an ice pick, so you don't.
we can't get a dumbfuck door to do what you just did?
no, we can't. it's just a dumbfuck door, you dumbfuck (no offense, just for the pun)
so what. blame is irrelevant. fact is big fish eats little fish, and that's the reality our world boils down while some continue living in an illusion of morality or justice. the financial system has destroyed millions of lives because it could, because there were dollars to be made and it doesn't give a fuck. entire nations are thrown into misery and scores of people get killed for the same reason. the same mom in the story is responsible for the death and ordeal of some kids in africa just for possessing a first world cheap electronic appliance (aka computer). who is to blame? we all are, in our stupidity. does it even make sense to blame someone, when there is no justice? our civilization is totally amoral beneath a tiny crust of hypocrisy. duh, i think i need a cup of tea.
As for damn, it's from the Latin damnare to condemn, not exactly requiring a deity.
damnation noun \dam-n-shn\
: the state of being in hell as punishment after death
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
pro-tip: not that it is the only latin word with arbitrary new meanings in english. go figure, some weird antropomorphization going on.
pissed off ex employee with inside information and the chance to make a high profile disruption to those who would risk your mortgage and pension with little to no personal risk is a big fucking bullseye.
this simply narrows down your search, doesn't make anyone a suspect. it might turn out to be bogus and the motives totally different.
but they claim to have found a connection, that's a lead. not a strong one, in my opinion, but they may have no better. anyone wondering how they got access to the irc content? duh ...
woosh!
it's funny because scala IS a front end to java. yes, it was to the same 1.6 jvm op considered stalled. then one wonders: what do developers actually demand from a vm? what's the problem if it works, is solid, stable and predictable and doesn't get some new fancy (and mostly unneeded) goodies in a while?
yeah, well, if you want to share unrelated personal experiencies, when doing client stuff i use pure client frameworks (angular nowadays for the most part) as opposed to full server/client stacks which in my view don't cut it, and i like them to be focused and simple. regarding ides i've used all of them but i'm perfectly fine with emacs and a console. if your code needs a specific ide to work on it then it's pretty low value for me. yes, java projects tend to be file spewing monsters and i ocassionally fire up some ide (eclipse or intellij, any will do), but you'll have a hard time convincing me to set up visual studio just to inspect or run some of your c# code, i'll probably point you in the general direction away from my lawn.
ruby was completely unecessary, didn't bother with it and i'm glad it passed away with the hype (as expected) leaving just a legacy of crappy apps that need to be rewritten (or forgotten), c# was also redundant and late (unless you were a windows only freak) glad to hear they now want to mature and open up a bit, php is handy for small quick apps but nothing more (no matter how much they want to revamp it now), python is actually very cool (although i seldom have opportunity to use it) and go ... well, go seems weird on purpose, it has some nice features but what was the need to screw up so much of the syntax for no reason? sick of evangelists, i think i'll pass, too ...
thanks, i wasn't aware on that. not that i would bet on ms' "strong comitment", but lets wait and see what comes out from that!
i can understand that ms has found itself at some point isolated from current sw development state of the art and trends, and that they now want to catch up is a good thing. they just need to keep working and contributing and stop throwing fancy "product names" at ceos faces, and start thinking about developers in a non ms-centric world, which is what it is.
Quite a few people who program opensource are great at throwing together something quickly and making it work, but is brittle and crap at scaling
doesn't that apply to .net development as well? java has been a frequent choice in universities (despite ms efforts) and thus many freshmen are at least somewhat versed in java. ok, still freshmen, but at least with an academic background. you couldn't say the same about some vb/asp guys back in the days.
i work for a once start-up that is now a big international company, building sw that is complex, cpu and io intensive and that must be secure and scale, and often subject to academic review. it has been a java shop since day one. there's some libraries in c, several scripting languages used here and there, but not a single project has been developed in .net that i know of, and only very rarely some partner (which are specialized companies in several other countries) has done his part in .net. actually, only non-techies use windows at all in the company. as a developer you are given the choice, but only a few happen to choose windows and many of those switch to linux anyway after a while. not saying that all this couldn't be done in .net as well but, you see, scenarios vary and i happen to be in exactly your opposite.
Java was going down the tubes 3 years ago. I had serious doubts about it and was looking closely as Scala
funny how you tried to escape java "going down the tubes" by switching to a ... java emitter.
With free tools from Microsoft, and the flexibility that is available from those tools, you don't need to buy anything from Microsoft to use .NET. A lot of these anti-.NET arguments are years out of date.
don't you still need windows?
Oracle is better?
nope. but if you go java who cares about oracle? as long as they don't fuck up the jvm too much everything is fine. that's sun's legacy. and in if they finally do, there will be a fork.
(of course there's people buying all the expensive crap from oracle, but that's a different issue: people just doesn't know better, and is easily hypnotized by the "big company who knows better" bullshit)
And the primary argument against .NET is that it is a Microsoft product
Which is a stupid argument. Judge the product by the product, not its maker.
being concerned about "ms product" is not stupid. the ultimate purpose of .net is to sell windows licenses. if you are ok with using windows / cashing out for licenses, be my guest. if you are not then .net simply isn't an option (there's mono but it always was more a marketing stunt than a real option). java is nowadays an "oracle product", and that sucks too, but you can safely ignore the full stack of expensive bloat oracle offers, except for the jvm which is free as in beer, and will run almost everywhere. for now.
regarding technical merits ... you can't really judgde such complex and large products by merely reading an abstract on them. you have to put them to use and the use cases vary wildly, and deploying a whole stack of solutions takes years. both can work, but it depends on many more choices you will make along the road. it's not something you "test". you choose and live with it.
then, the java ecosystem has been evolving for years with an unmatched community contributing an impressive stack of open source middleware and tools, and this is one of the main reasons java is so prevalent in enterprise. the paradigm "everything around the java language, in any os" turned out to be much stronger than "everything around windows os, in any language". no surprise, we already knew that before ballmer's "developers" dance.
if you ask me, it's irrelevant. i've been proficent in java-world for decades but it's now boring like hell, and i would not touch .net with a stick. fuck java, fuck .net, javascript is the new toy! :D
you realize that you live in a plutocracy, right? your regime is just softer, more photogenic, but not fundamentally different from those tyrannies. so are you, your precious lifestile is just a different manifestation of poverty: with all your gadgets (or maybe just because of them) you are powerless. you need to rise up and have a revolution. fancy that. :P
true, but all that doesn't come from thin air. specifically industralization has a high cost on the environment that we privileged don't pay. part of the magic is that we are shoving much of those costs on poor countries (which incidentally constitute the majority of the population and who do not eat better than ultra wealthy did 100 years ago).
so i guess i might do have some concerns besides eating, sleeping, fucking and dying.
deregulating life insurance so that anyone can buy/sell it for anyone else anonymously
that actually sounds like a pretty simple and good idea.