I am a Christian. While i appreciate some of your view point, please remember that in slashdot community or more generally technical community we are in the minority. I know we all hate marketing, but that in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. Marketing is only bad if they lie about the actual quality of the thing being marketed. Both of us agree that being a Christian is a good thing, and we don't need to get too defensive or use 'marketing'/rude/offensive languages.
Religion could be a very,very bad thing if people believe in it are either
People who have (unchecked) political power but forget Jesus teaching that power is used to serve people, not yourselves.
People who are self-righteous and forget that they themselves are also sinners (or not always right)
People who treat their religion as an add-on instead of as important ingredients of their lives/worldview. And,
People who don't walk their learning or only walk part of their religion as they see fit.
Not that i am accusing you, I guess all i am saying is we should keep ourselves in a higher standard, given that we already built up healthy personal images, because of what we claim.
And by the way both of us would not go out to kill abortion doctors, right? And don't mix abortion issues and death penalties issues together because different people have mixed opinions on these two issues. (For example, some pro death penalties people may suggest that if a person kills ten people, it is OK to kill that person, but may think that since a 'fetus'/'embryo'/'unborned baby' is not a 'human being', it is not OK to kill abortion doctors.)
Hurray to all young people who are bright but need more experience, myself included.
What was your job in your previous company? Were you doing development work back then or were you doing marketing? And since you have moved from a smaller company with a single primary product to a huge corporation with much diversified products and services, what type of adaptations have you made and how hard was the transition?
Well i know i am only supposed to ask one question. But without the answers to the first two questions, i have a feeling that i would find your answers to other questions posted to you meaningless or not particularly useful for me. Personally i am really interested in the third question because in my young career i have only worked in one big (3000 people:P) consulting company.
For me 'embrace,extend,extinguish' are bad only when they do not embrace totally -- i.e. to not implement some part of standard interface solely in order to extinguish.
Looks like SAP would discriminate against fair use in favor of copyrights holder. We didn't have tools like this before, other than the copyrights law, for other distribution channels.
But of course MS just helps out those silly/greedy Recording Companies who refuse to take advantage of the internet.
So MS does this primaryly based on business considerations. Innovation? NO!!! Consumer benefits? Maybe...
FSF (who develops lots of free as freedom GNU tools) says:
AUTHOR charging obscene amount for some application
+
Users (who paid) could not give a copy to others.
+
Users could not modify the program without code
is worse than
packager charging any amount for same(?) applications
+
Users could give copy to others.
+
Users could modify the program.
+AUTHOR eat wind
I believe most decent computer science departments nowadays have faculty members whose research interests are in numerical analysis and offer courses in numerical analysis.
So again as i replied to other posts, the problems most probably are the compensations or working environments that the poster's job offers.
A humble person would know what he/she knows and know he/she does not know, or doesn't know every thing.
So i guess, the best people would be CS major+Science/Engineering (or other applications) minor or Science major/CS minor. Or experienced professional software developers.
What you says are so common sense i don't understand why so many people miss it.
I understand why young people don't get it (I am young, but work full time for three years.)
But for experienced people? I guess there may be some ego problem.
I got one explanation. When these people are younger, CS university programs are still in the immature stages. So they apply what they knew back then to the current situation. But nowadays, most decent CS programs are pretty darn good. But of course some young people are so arrogant!:)
They are by trade pragmatic people, probably with pragmatic (judgemental) temparament. (Many older engineers go to management. It is perfect match. And i wonder why some engineers,or scientists, on slashdot think MIS degrees sucks.)
This sounds trivial. But the most talented CS people could also build complex,maintenence systems. Like Dr. Donald Knuth.
I also don't understand why he could not find the type of people he wants. I think it comes down to either their working environment or there compensation.
Try to look at any decent CS programs in last ten years and you could find most of them contains numerical analysis courses and facaulty members whose research interests are in numerical analysis.
More fun here:
CS is Physics?
CS is Engineering / Applied Science...?
CS is an Art?
CS is CompEng? CS is MIS?
What is 'is'? What is Science? Math? Language? Physics? Engineering? Art? Computer? Information? Management?...
Scott Muller's Upgrading and Repairing PCs Its first chapter is 'Personal Computer Background' which i find quite interesting. I think it provides good background to non-technical people in your audience.
Byte Magazine : My favourite geek magazine when i was younger... They have this 20th aniversary edition that talks about "modern" history of PC era.
You could safely ignore what i am going to say...
A. You forgot to mention Alan Turing! How dare you... well i am sure you know about him, just forget to mention it on your post. But now you witness first hand some slashdot steam...
B. What's your audience? As one slashdotter already said, different audiences would require different kinds of materials and presention.
C. What would be different if computer literacy programs are being taught to average North American Highschoolers?
D. If i were one of your students, i would be interested in:
History of Computer Cultures (IBM, PDP, LISP, AI, MIT Vs Stanford Vs Oxford, Atari, Commodore, Mac vs MS,...)
History of impact on society (WWII, business -- COBOL, scientists, PC in offices, Internet...)
History of computation (Hilbert, Russell, Godel, Church, Turing...)
History of Computer Hareware (mainframe,minicomputer,PCs,networked computer)
History of Electronics (Vacuum,transitters,ICs,microprocessor...) (Is it highschool stuff?)
And, impact/restrains of Von Neumann machines -- sequential vs parallel, program ?= data...
Slashdot Mirror
Hi,
I am a Christian. While i appreciate some of your view point, please remember that in slashdot community or more generally technical community we are in the minority. I know we all hate marketing, but that in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. Marketing is only bad if they lie about the actual quality of the thing being marketed. Both of us agree that being a Christian is a good thing, and we don't need to get too defensive or use 'marketing'/rude/offensive languages.
Religion could be a very,very bad thing if people believe in it are either
People who have (unchecked) political power but forget Jesus teaching that power is used to serve people, not yourselves.
People who are self-righteous and forget that they themselves are also sinners (or not always right)
People who treat their religion as an add-on instead of as important ingredients of their lives/worldview. And,
People who don't walk their learning or only walk part of their religion as they see fit.
Not that i am accusing you, I guess all i am saying is we should keep ourselves in a higher standard, given that we already built up healthy personal images, because of what we claim.
And by the way both of us would not go out to kill abortion doctors, right? And don't mix abortion issues and death penalties issues together because different people have mixed opinions on these two issues. (For example, some pro death penalties people may suggest that if a person kills ten people, it is OK to kill that person, but may think that since a 'fetus'/'embryo'/'unborned baby' is not a 'human being', it is not OK to kill abortion doctors.)
Hurray to all young people who are bright but need more experience, myself included.
Hi Doug,
What was your job in your previous company? Were you doing development work back then or were you doing marketing? And since you have moved from a smaller company with a single primary product to a huge corporation with much diversified products and services, what type of adaptations have you made and how hard was the transition?
Well i know i am only supposed to ask one question. But without the answers to the first two questions, i have a feeling that i would find your answers to other questions posted to you meaningless or not particularly useful for me. Personally i am really interested in the third question because in my young career i have only worked in one big (3000 people :P) consulting company.
Ricky
And you are following all these comments?
What's your business?
For me 'embrace,extend,extinguish' are bad only when they do not embrace totally -- i.e. to not implement some part of standard interface solely in order to extinguish.
For your record i am NOT a Microsoft hater.
Ricky
--- Ignorance is the root of all evil.
I suggest
--- Ignorance/arrogance is the root of all evil.
Ricky
Remove all Linux zealots who don't care to get the work done but only argue about what is the best way to get work done?
Ricky
Here is another perspective from Sun.
About your comment...
Well of course 'Web Services' can be tacked onto Java. That's sort of the whole point.
You mean .NET-WebServices could be inter-platform or you mean Java (bytecode + language) is flexible?
And i think both .NET and Java are whole new platforms. And all of IBM,Sun and MS are 'evil':P
Ricky
IMNO, not oxymoron, just different types of personality/ability.
And it indicates Doug may be a rare genius.
Ricky
Maybe he is saying some (most?) managers are clueless?
Ricky
Lack of W3C conformance in IE?
Which version are we talking about here?
IE3.0 when Netscape still had market lead, or latter versions after MS bundle IE for free?
Ricky
Because his previous company was accquired by MS?
Ricky
Hi,
Another Fair Use vs Copyrights issue.
Looks like SAP would discriminate against fair use in favor of copyrights holder. We didn't have tools like this before, other than the copyrights law, for other distribution channels.
But of course MS just helps out those silly/greedy Recording Companies who refuse to take advantage of the internet.
So MS does this primaryly based on business considerations. Innovation? NO!!! Consumer benefits? Maybe...
Ricky
Hm,
This naturally(?) precludes the use of restrictive licences (such as the GPL) for tax-funded work
I guess this is the question we are examining.
Oh, and what about mandatary open source but other non-retrictive licences like BSD?
And the other question is whether reporting loss to IRC and crying profit to Wall Street is ethical/legal.
Of course the biggest question, IMHO, is whether a business needs to be ethical, and to what extent.
Ricky
I'm not a Free Software Zealot, but
FSF (who develops lots of free as freedom GNU tools) says:
AUTHOR charging obscene amount for some application
+
Users (who paid) could not give a copy to others.
+
Users could not modify the program without code
is worse than
packager charging any amount for same(?) applications
+
Users could give copy to others.
+
Users could modify the program.
+AUTHOR eat wind
Ricky
What about if they let you re-fund?
Ricky
AFAICS, you haven't built anything that was actually *used* yet
How do you know? He could give references to support that. Luckily you are not in HR department.
Ricky
I believe most decent computer science departments nowadays have faculty members whose research interests are in numerical analysis and offer courses in numerical analysis.
So again as i replied to other posts, the problems most probably are the compensations or working environments that the poster's job offers.
Ricky
I would mod you up if i could.
A humble person would know what he/she knows and know he/she does not know, or doesn't know every thing.
So i guess, the best people would be CS major+Science/Engineering (or other applications) minor or Science major/CS minor. Or experienced professional software developers.
Ricky
Wrong. He could talk science, but just not experienced in using or building real or pratical numerical analysis software.
Don't be judgemental. (Well maybe i am judgemental on you. If that's the case, i apologize.)
Ricky
Sigh...
What you says are so common sense i don't understand why so many people miss it.
I understand why young people don't get it (I am young, but work full time for three years.)
But for experienced people? I guess there may be some ego problem.
I got one explanation. When these people are younger, CS university programs are still in the immature stages. So they apply what they knew back then to the current situation. But nowadays, most decent CS programs are pretty darn good. But of course some young people are so arrogant!:)
Ricky
So are Business people.
They are by trade pragmatic people, probably with pragmatic (judgemental) temparament. (Many older engineers go to management. It is perfect match. And i wonder why some engineers,or scientists, on slashdot think MIS degrees sucks.)
This sounds trivial. But the most talented CS people could also build complex,maintenence systems. Like Dr. Donald Knuth.
Ricky
I also don't understand why he could not find the type of people he wants. I think it comes down to either their working environment or there compensation.
Try to look at any decent CS programs in last ten years and you could find most of them contains numerical analysis courses and facaulty members whose research interests are in numerical analysis.
Of course my unversity (university of british columbia) is one of them:)
Ricky
Interesting...
More fun here:
CS is Physics?
CS is Engineering / Applied Science...?
CS is an Art?
CS is CompEng? CS is MIS?
What is 'is'? What is Science? Math? Language? Physics? Engineering? Art? Computer? Information? Management?...
Bye now...
First, two references:
Scott Muller's Upgrading and Repairing PCs Its first chapter is 'Personal Computer Background' which i find quite interesting. I think it provides good background to non-technical people in your audience.
Byte Magazine : My favourite geek magazine when i was younger... They have this 20th aniversary edition that talks about "modern" history of PC era.
You could safely ignore what i am going to say...
A. You forgot to mention Alan Turing! How dare you... well i am sure you know about him, just forget to mention it on your post. But now you witness first hand some slashdot steam...
B. What's your audience? As one slashdotter already said, different audiences would require different kinds of materials and presention.
C. What would be different if computer literacy programs are being taught to average North American Highschoolers?
D. If i were one of your students, i would be interested in:
History of Computer Cultures (IBM, PDP, LISP, AI, MIT Vs Stanford Vs Oxford, Atari, Commodore, Mac vs MS,...)
History of impact on society (WWII, business -- COBOL, scientists, PC in offices, Internet...)
History of computation (Hilbert, Russell, Godel, Church, Turing...)
History of Computer Hareware (mainframe,minicomputer,PCs,networked computer)
History of Electronics (Vacuum,transitters,ICs,microprocessor...) (Is it highschool stuff?)
And, impact/restrains of Von Neumann machines -- sequential vs parallel, program ?= data...
All in 16 weeks!
Good luck...
Ricky
Hi,
Looks like simple tables could be implemented as multiple rows tabs.
Beware that i know very little about word processing...
Ricky
Use tables for effective formatting?
I only use tabs:)
Ricky