Re:User Interface is VERY important (Score:1)
by Hodge (530651) on Friday February 07, @03:36AM (#5249130)
Two things to add to this...
Some people work with software every day and may even develop software. These people are basically us, the/. users, the engineers, and we don't spend nearly enough time working with the users.
Users do weird things that none of us really understand. Why do users close applications every time they need to open a new document? Why do users maximise all windows when working with multiple documents?
The key difference is that we understand the GUI metaphors although it may have taken us a long time to get there. Experienced IT pro's can adapt to new systems quickly and with minimal fuss. Users who have never learned what they are doing can not!
I am thinking the same idea, but it is not easy.
It would be easy to support only essential components (kernals, network services, compilers), but not that easy to support every applications in a standard distribution.
Anyway, businesses using redhat should have predicted something like this. Redhat is using custom kernals, custom compilers, custom network admin tools... Basically they are locked in.
I don't see anything wrong with Conservative either.
In my mind the good sense of conservative is:
Moderate; cautious
What's wrong with that? I like progress. Most people like that. That's called Moderate.
The point of arguement is how fast. If too fast, like Cultural Revolution in China, people suffer. If too slow, like the 'American Right', people suffer as well.
It's time for everyone get away for rhetoric, stay calm and do what's best for everybody after healthy debates.
Would you mind sharing some bad experience with Red Hat?
I would finally like to try linux - nt/win2000 / winxp is not too bad - and the only legimate choise sounds like RedHat.
Slackware and Suse are close second but not close enough.
This has a potential to become a askslashdot question.
Any language could be used for 'scripting' as long as it is designed to be embeddable. So javascript and tcl (and Rexx, elisp...) are the best representives of scripting languages.
From programming point of view, the difference between scripting and programming language now depends on how easy it is to produce mid to large size program without using many data structures.
Just see how string is a basic language feature.
You could easily tell that all traditional scripting language have string defined in the language, whereas programming language have string defined in the libraries.
I don't like to be seen as under-qualified for a job position because my race belongs to visible-minorities.
I earned the position because of my abilities ( having middle class parents certainly helps...)
People does not care about 'communism' anymore after Mao's death and the destruction brought by 'Cultural Revolution'. (although you still somtimes hear terms like imperialism, Hegal's dialectism(?)...)
Communist party is a little different. Well most people in PRC,except university people, do not concern about political freedom, provided they have:
Stable work, Clean police, Clean local goverment official.
For people outside PRC, most agree that only one Party in absolute power is a Bad Thing. For myself, i hope:
1. PRC have better legal system.
2. Police/local government officials are less corrupted
3. Have better intellectual/religious freedom.
4. Better commonplace education.
I am not too worried about economic problems -- they should have fair amount of MBAs...
And the biggest problems are:
A. There are multiple 'power groups' at the top. and
B. Military troops are NOT neutral in political power.
I could not come up with books. But to understand Chinese... I suggest you to research about Confucism,Buddism and Taoism. Also resarch on Chinese History from late Ching's dynasty, 1910 Revolution, 2nd world war, Mao's 50s - 70s and Deng's 80s. And also on modern Chinese literature from 1910s to 1960s, especially 'Lao Suen' and 'Lao Shie' short novels.
Last but not the least, From Deng 'It does not matter whether a cat is black or white; as long as it could catch mouse, it's GOOD'
May i add that it is better to get both a little back into the late Ching's Dynasty corruption and weakneses, 1910 Revolution, 54 movement, 2nd world war as well as forward into 80s and early 90s Dang's politics (Economic openness, and the famous 'It does not matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catch fish, it is good').
For educated Chinese, it's more of how 'imperial' government and businessmen take advantage of Chinese people in late Ching's Dynasty, being called 'Sick Coward of East Asia' by Japanese (pre-1945), feeling being misunderstood by Westerner, etc. that make us 'nationalistics'
For those high percentage of people that are uneducated or only at elementary level, they are either struggled with daily life or not knowledgeble in analyzing propaganda and arguments such that they tend to be less sensitive to issue like nationalism and political freedom.
And about 'face'... I am speechless. Well maybe a bad balance between manners/respect and hypocrisy.
From someone borned in Hong Kong and lived there for 16 years.
I believe, although it was long time ago since i came to Canada, that 'great leap forward' referred to the period where Mao wanted to catch up with Great Britain in the steel manufacturating business using un-scientific procedures, which resulted into great economic lost and famine.
From someone borned in Hong Kong and lived there for 16 years.
As for public companies... sigh, now it looks like only RH would survive.
No, i don't think now we've reached the sunset of linux. I do believe the hypes around linux (and open source) have disappered. It is mature and it's use and the number of services/goods around linux would increase (just like Java2 and above).
The article gave me some point of view i haven't think about before.
I don't agree with everything he said. But i find the part about Sun, IBM and other 'Big Boys' linux business strategy a good read and i think sulli might be interested. (He worked in AT&T in a business,rather than a technical, position)
And the first time i saw someone enjoying criticizing ESR. THAT's very interesting.
In general i agree with you. And you are a business guy (indicated from your homepage.) It's nice to see someone like you here. I am a techie. I think both types of people are needed. Many slashdotters don't like business people. Why?...
Which makes me wonder: why don't execs like this spend more time trying to drive standardization OF SOME KIND instead of just bitching about Microsoft?
I don't know about other execs. But KDE vs GNOME are a developers' & volunteers' world. No execs could force them to change.
Besides, all linux distros comapanies are still too small. These execs are busy with running their businesses. They couldn't afford to gather for standards, unlike IBM, MS, Sun and AT&T who are big.
As for Bob... I bet he is well above average. He is as good as B. Gates. But again he could not fight with IBM + Sun + MS combined -- he does not have enough capital. He is also greedy/ambitious that he wanted to create another empire. Linux/GPL empire.
But too late. IBM is no longer the IBM in the early eighties. And Bob, since he is a very clever entrepreneur, now has other plans. BTW i think personally he thinks he is rich enough. So now he merely wants RH to be successful. But not an empire.
He doesn't really care about KDE vs GNOME. Or world domination anymore.
Have you ever read an interview of Bob in, i believe, Linux-World magazine? You might be interested.
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It's easy for us now to think what the best action were in our earlier years. But we were teenagers.
But I agree. Once we grow up, we should not rationalize what happened before. Learn to be more assertive or political.
However, I still think that adults have the responsibility to help our kids.
Obviously you never use SAP :(
However, they are still our customers -- or at least we are helpers.
Just imagine the work of a indoor designer. It's the same. We have no idea what we want. But still the designer has to ask us what we want.
It's not easy, I agree. But That's part of our job.
Of course blaming everything on tech people are ridiculous. The old saying, good cheap fast, pick two.
Actually Win98 has home directory as My documents , same as Windows 2k, but I am not sure where it is in C drive.
I don't think Guido is confused.
Both Guido and James are being interviewed. The interviewer is confused. They just use his terminology.
But you make us duplicate your simple things.
Are you saying when someone release their software in BSD license, you need do duplicate what they did?
indivual rights
It's more amazing that now java (jvm) on linux is now better than solaris.
I guess Java isn't helping making money for Sun, i.e. selling more hardawre, compare with Solaris, thus less QA to lower the cost.
Someone suggests not all people could grasp pointer/reference.
I am thinking the same idea, but it is not easy. It would be easy to support only essential components (kernals, network services, compilers), but not that easy to support every applications in a standard distribution. Anyway, businesses using redhat should have predicted something like this. Redhat is using custom kernals, custom compilers, custom network admin tools ... Basically they are locked in.
There is nothing wrong with Liberal for sure.
I don't see anything wrong with Conservative either.
In my mind the good sense of conservative is:
What's wrong with that? I like progress. Most people like that. That's called Moderate.
The point of arguement is how fast. If too fast, like Cultural Revolution in China, people suffer. If too slow, like the 'American Right', people suffer as well.
It's time for everyone get away for rhetoric, stay calm and do what's best for everybody after healthy debates.
Would you mind sharing some bad experience with Red Hat? I would finally like to try linux - nt /win2000 / winxp is not too bad - and the only legimate choise sounds like RedHat.
Slackware and Suse are close second but not close enough.
This has a potential to become a askslashdot question.
Any language could be used for 'scripting' as long as it is designed to be embeddable. So javascript and tcl (and Rexx, elisp...) are the best representives of scripting languages.
From programming point of view, the difference between scripting and programming language now depends on how easy it is to produce mid to large size program without using many data structures.
Just see how string is a basic language feature.
You could easily tell that all traditional scripting language have string defined in the language, whereas programming language have string defined in the libraries.
Of course, all IMHO.
Stupid.
I don't like to be seen as under-qualified for a job position because my race belongs to visible-minorities. I earned the position because of my abilities ( having middle class parents certainly helps...)
Here is a good article by Professor Glenn C. Loury.
Want to hear opinion from a HongKong-nese?:)
Actually just a little bit of ranting.
People does not care about 'communism' anymore after Mao's death and the destruction brought by 'Cultural Revolution'. (although you still somtimes hear terms like imperialism, Hegal's dialectism(?)...)
Communist party is a little different. Well most people in PRC,except university people, do not concern about political freedom, provided they have:
Stable work, Clean police, Clean local goverment official.
For people outside PRC, most agree that only one Party in absolute power is a Bad Thing. For myself, i hope:
1. PRC have better legal system.
2. Police/local government officials are less corrupted
3. Have better intellectual/religious freedom.
4. Better commonplace education.
I am not too worried about economic problems -- they should have fair amount of MBAs...
And the biggest problems are:
A. There are multiple 'power groups' at the top. and
B. Military troops are NOT neutral in political power.
I could not come up with books. But to understand Chinese ... I suggest you to research about Confucism,Buddism and Taoism. Also resarch on Chinese History from late Ching's dynasty, 1910 Revolution, 2nd world war, Mao's 50s - 70s and Deng's 80s. And also on modern Chinese literature from 1910s to 1960s, especially 'Lao Suen' and 'Lao Shie' short novels.
Last but not the least, From Deng 'It does not matter whether a cat is black or white; as long as it could catch mouse, it's GOOD'
Ricky
May i add that it is better to get both a little back into the late Ching's Dynasty corruption and weakneses, 1910 Revolution, 54 movement, 2nd world war as well as forward into 80s and early 90s Dang's politics (Economic openness, and the famous 'It does not matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catch fish, it is good').
From a Chinese from Hong Kong.
I don't think that's the whole story.
For educated Chinese, it's more of how 'imperial' government and businessmen take advantage of Chinese people in late Ching's Dynasty, being called 'Sick Coward of East Asia' by Japanese (pre-1945), feeling being misunderstood by Westerner, etc. that make us 'nationalistics'
For those high percentage of people that are uneducated or only at elementary level, they are either struggled with daily life or not knowledgeble in analyzing propaganda and arguments such that they tend to be less sensitive to issue like nationalism and political freedom.
And about 'face' ... I am speechless. Well maybe a bad balance between manners/respect and hypocrisy.
From someone borned in Hong Kong and lived there for 16 years.
Just a little correction.
I believe, although it was long time ago since i came to Canada, that 'great leap forward' referred to the period where Mao wanted to catch up with Great Britain in the steel manufacturating business using un-scientific procedures, which resulted into great economic lost and famine.
From someone borned in Hong Kong and lived there for 16 years.
I don't think JWZ's involved (or programmed) with Netscape Browser 4.x.
I could be wrong.
But the site you linked to use php, not perl.
Why?
I could only think of two reasons.
A) You live in a small town and you don't want to move.
B) You need a stable job for your family.
I am just nosy. But don't settle without a fight.
Cheers,
Ricky
Thanks for replying.
Looks like we agree a lot. I don't think bundling IE for free is bad.
Did i send out signal to show that i am a anti-ms zealot? I guess i replied to the wrong thread at the wrong time.
And you are an attorney! So I should not behave as if i were a laywer and threw out jargon like 'anti-trust trial':)
I wish Linux good luck.
I also wish all private distro businesses well.
As for public companies ... sigh, now it looks like only RH would survive.
No, i don't think now we've reached the sunset of linux. I do believe the hypes around linux (and open source) have disappered. It is mature and it's use and the number of services/goods around linux would increase (just like Java2 and above).
The article gave me some point of view i haven't think about before.
I don't agree with everything he said. But i find the part about Sun, IBM and other 'Big Boys' linux business strategy a good read and i think sulli might be interested. (He worked in AT&T in a business,rather than a technical, position)
And the first time i saw someone enjoying criticizing ESR. THAT's very interesting.
Hi sulli,
In general i agree with you. And you are a business guy (indicated from your homepage.) It's nice to see someone like you here. I am a techie. I think both types of people are needed. Many slashdotters don't like business people. Why?...
Which makes me wonder: why don't execs like this spend more time trying to drive standardization OF SOME KIND instead of just bitching about Microsoft?
I don't know about other execs. But KDE vs GNOME are a developers' & volunteers' world. No execs could force them to change.
Besides, all linux distros comapanies are still too small. These execs are busy with running their businesses. They couldn't afford to gather for standards, unlike IBM, MS, Sun and AT&T who are big.
As for Bob ... I bet he is well above average. He is as good as B. Gates. But again he could not fight with IBM + Sun + MS combined -- he does not have enough capital. He is also greedy/ambitious that he wanted to create another empire. Linux/GPL empire.
But too late. IBM is no longer the IBM in the early eighties. And Bob, since he is a very clever entrepreneur, now has other plans. BTW i think personally he thinks he is rich enough. So now he merely wants RH to be successful. But not an empire.
He doesn't really care about KDE vs GNOME. Or world domination anymore.
Have you ever read an interview of Bob in, i believe, Linux-World magazine? You might be interested.
And you might also be interested in this
Cheers,
Ricky