The huge mistake that you make here sir is that you believe that the GIMP will become a corpse for the littering in the same way all these other fine products are.
This is not true. GIMP may die off, but not the same way. Adobe cannot kill it! Adobe can only lobby to get laws passed to criminalize such development in the US. In which case development moves offshore! The only way GIMP can die is if the programmers quit.
GIMP is going to bust photoshop right in the chops. Maybe not next year or the year after, but it will happen.
Seriously, someone at Corel really did NOT think this one through. Those that did think it through and were over-ruled or ignored will certainly be able to say "I told you so".
It's really more like 1% lunatics. It's just that the U.S. is ~5000 km wide so there is a lot of room for wide open lunacy that can go unnoticed for decades.
But you are quite correct. We are no longer a representative democracy. As least not for me. So I will vote 3rd party next time around. There is no longer any recognizable difference bewteen Democrat and Republican.
One would think that such "seasoned bureaucrats" would welcome such an opportunity to request large amounts of additional funding! After all, they can just turn around and blame congress for being "soft on crime".
I am really sure the majors would disagree with your assessment that roustabouts are indispensable. They are a dime-a-dozen, easily trained, and easily disposed of.;)
But your comment pretty well stands. No one is irreplaceable.
MS absolutely relies on just this sort of behavior. Remember windows 95? Remember how tech support said "NO! We Won't Support It!!!" Remember how 10 million adults installed it anyway? Well, maybe not 10 million, but tech support be damned; we installed four copies. And they had to support it. And perhaps that is the way it should be, tech support supporting users.
Maybe thats why (l)users don't run unix.
So, put a lid on it there Mr. Adult. I don't know where you were in 1976, but I was swamping 4k of core (an old-fashioned word for ram there junior) from a teletype trying to program Buffalo Castle in BASIC...
But as a bona-fide framing carpenter (framing carpenters build houses), I really must insist any geek that wants to live in a house like this must build it themselves. And they gotta RTFM, or at least read the blueprints if they are so lame as to need blueprints (real framing carpenters don't need no steenkin blueprints). Otherwise they are just lame posers trying buy some coolness, because of course everyone wants to be as cool as framing carpenters.
For the humor impaired, please refer to the ongoing debian-clueless-newbie flame war.
Ciao
--mtngrown
"Son, don't come back until you know the difference between a casing nail and a green vinyl sinker."
Hopefully it won't take an airliner going down, like the Arianne rocket, on a floating point problem. Let this happen a couple of times and "software engineers" will have to be licensed. Might be a good argument for open source though.
people are doing? They are giving the effort of their free time away. Why is this a problem? Why can't they do what they want?
As far as rewriting a windowing toolkit, I guess it needs to be rewritten as many times as necessary to get it right. Why is that a problem? Since "right" means different things to different people, hopefully there will multiple, differently designed, technically excellent windowing toolkits. Why is this a problem?
is the technical name describing how the balance of legislative power has swung away from our elected representatives to the appointed judiciary. In a nutshell, it means that the courts are in making law. This is all well and good, except that it isn't strictly constitutional. Congress, thus ourselves as the voting populace, is, in fact, powerless to decide the outstanding issues of our day.
is being an old-fashioned hothead. I mean old-fashioned in the sense of Victorian eccentrics. Sort of like Bruce Perens or somebody...;P
He is pretty fast on the draw, and has a lot of interesting ideas, but usually speaks before thinking. Proving yet again: "Live by the gun, die by the gun."
The APSL isn't free. Thats the real issue. As for liability, the GPL will protect them just fine, shoudl they choose to use it. And who ever sues over software (non)performance and wins? The EULA is totally stacked against the user.
And some of us might have a beef against Apple. I have a specific $1600 beef with Apple myself w.r.t. to a a certain powerbook. Why is that a problem? Apple didn't give a crap about me. Once the check cleared I dropped right off their radar screen. Why should I give a crap about them and their non-free license?
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Age has nothing to do with new tricks. Old dogs
_can_be taught new tricks, and old people _can_
learn new things.
It's a stupid cliche really. The real deal is
"You can't teach an old dog STUPID tricks."
Dogs and people get old in part by not being
stupid or doing stupid tricks.
ciao mtngrown
A semiold guy who will not learn stupid tricks.
The huge mistake that you make here sir is that
you believe that the GIMP will become a corpse
for the littering in the same way all these other
fine products are.
This is not true. GIMP may die off, but not the
same way. Adobe cannot kill it! Adobe can only
lobby to get laws passed to criminalize such
development in the US. In which case development moves offshore! The only way GIMP can die is if the programmers quit.
GIMP is going to bust photoshop right in the chops. Maybe not next year or the year after, but it will happen.
Yeah, he doesn't link to squishdot or something. Proves its just a freeloading rip off artist. IIRC, Bruce bought squishdot their domain name.
Yeah, he doesn't link to squishdot or something. Proves its just a freeloading rip off artist.
IIRC, Bruce bought squishdot their domain name.
Yup its true:
avila:~ $ uname -a
Linux avila 2.0.32 #4 Sun Dec 21 08:22:49 EST 1997 i586 unknown
And I am keeping up with potato about 3 times a week.
Debian works like a charm, at least since rex...
Bzzzt. Nice try. Next contestant...
Maybe it was a trial balloon.
Seriously, someone at Corel really did NOT think
this one through. Those that did think it through and were over-ruled or ignored will certainly be able to say "I told you so".
Anyway, let's try not to over-react.
Dave D
Hrmmm.....
Frankly makes me want to go out and buy this
book, just to keep an alternative to perl alive.
It's really more like 1% lunatics. It's just that
the U.S. is ~5000 km wide so there is a lot of
room for wide open lunacy that can go unnoticed
for decades.
But you are quite correct. We are no longer a
representative democracy. As least not for me.
So I will vote 3rd party next time around. There
is no longer any recognizable difference bewteen
Democrat and Republican.
Two parties are too few.
One would think that such "seasoned bureaucrats" would welcome such an opportunity to request large amounts of additional funding! After all, they can just turn around and blame congress for being "soft on crime".
I am really sure the majors would disagree with your assessment that roustabouts are indispensable. They are a dime-a-dozen, easily trained, and easily disposed of.
But your comment pretty well stands. No one is irreplaceable.
MS absolutely relies on just this sort of behavior. Remember windows 95? Remember how tech support said "NO! We Won't Support It!!!" Remember how 10 million adults installed it anyway? Well, maybe not 10 million, but tech support be damned; we installed four copies. And they had to support it. And perhaps that is the way it should be, tech support supporting users.
Maybe thats why (l)users don't run unix.
So, put a lid on it there Mr. Adult. I don't know where you were in 1976, but I was swamping 4k of core (an old-fashioned word for ram there junior) from a teletype trying to program Buffalo Castle in BASIC...
Heh heh just like Elvis...
"I saw him on the Angel Island Ferry!!!"
Where _will_ he pop up next...?
You start by setting forms for the basement. So there an extra 15 feet thick, no biggie
But as a bona-fide framing carpenter (framing carpenters build houses), I really must insist any geek that wants to live in a house like this must build it themselves. And they gotta RTFM, or at least read the blueprints if they are so lame as to need blueprints (real framing carpenters don't need no steenkin blueprints). Otherwise they are just lame posers trying buy some coolness, because of course everyone wants to be as cool as framing carpenters.
For the humor impaired, please refer to the ongoing debian-clueless-newbie flame war.
Ciao
--mtngrown
"Son, don't come back until you know the difference between a casing nail and a green vinyl sinker."
>If you really want GNU/Linux start your own dist >called "GNU/Linux". Until then shutup
It's called debian GNU/Linux: www.debian.org
How many years have you been running linux?
I propose this: Since RMS' ideology is so repugnant, use BSD.
State-sponsored expropriation? No worse than eminent domain. Or income tax (don't get me started).
If MS broke the law, they should be hammered.
Nice to see you back case.
Evangelism continues quietly on campus. 6 more linux boxes went on line yesterday, 5 at the expense of a pre-loaded nt 4.
Hopefully it won't take an airliner going down, like the Arianne rocket, on a floating point problem. Let this happen a couple of times and "software engineers" will have to be licensed. Might be a good argument for open source though.
people are doing? They are giving the effort of their free time away. Why is this a problem? Why can't they do what they want?
As far as rewriting a windowing toolkit, I guess it needs to be rewritten as many times as necessary to get it right. Why is that a problem? Since "right" means different things to different people, hopefully there will multiple, differently designed, technically excellent windowing toolkits. Why is this a problem?
is the technical name describing how the balance of legislative power has swung away from our elected representatives to the appointed judiciary. In a nutshell, it means that the courts are in making law. This is all well and good, except that it isn't strictly constitutional. Congress, thus ourselves as the voting populace, is, in fact, powerless to decide the outstanding issues of our day.
is being an old-fashioned hothead. I mean old-fashioned in the sense of Victorian eccentrics. Sort of like Bruce Perens or somebody... ;P
He is pretty fast on the draw, and has a lot of interesting ideas, but usually speaks before thinking. Proving yet again: "Live by the gun, die by the gun."
I admit I am prejudiced against Apple. I used to own one. I owned a Ford once too, and a Chevy. Never again!
Why Apple be allowed to take code developed at taxpayer expense (Mach and BSD) and bury it propreitary products? Sounds like corporate welfare to me.
No one forced Apple to do anything. They want in the club, they gotta play by the rules.
Free software will crush a certain percentage of programmers. It probably won't be any worse than the percentage crushed by MS.
The APSL isn't free. Thats the real issue. As for liability, the GPL will protect them just fine, shoudl they choose to use it. And who ever sues over software (non)performance and wins? The EULA is totally stacked against the user.
And some of us might have a beef against Apple. I have a specific $1600 beef with Apple myself w.r.t. to a a certain powerbook. Why is that a problem? Apple didn't give a crap about me. Once the check cleared I dropped right off their radar screen. Why should I give a crap about them and their non-free license?