For example I believe if one adheres to the old testament prohibitions against eating certain types of seafood then one will avoid most of the unsafe species in that part of the world.
Bullshit. The injunctions against certain food were based simply on the personal preference of a few people with schizotypal personalities... Partial disproof of what you say can be found in the middens of Ancient Near Eastern people: civilizations eating pork and shellfish lived next door to Jewish civilizations that didn't, and there's no indication one thrived worse than the other. Don't throw the "ignorant" label around unless you're prepared to be stuck with it yourself in face of evidence.
Sadly you are practicing what you preach against. You offer no evidence that it was simply a preference and you ignore the actual evidence of toxins and parasites. You ironically display a quite religious form of thinking. Note that the toxins may not necessarily kill an individual, rather make him sick for a couple of days. Note that parasites do not generally kill the host, rather weaken the host and reduce his health or quality of life. And as another poster points out regarding who thrived in the region, it was the peoples whose religions had these sort of rules.
Yes and the cook at the bar my dad goes to from time to time is Jesus as well.
I could be mistaken but I think the secular scientists mentioned above are referring to a 1st century nazarene that was a social reformer/agitator and who was executed by the romans. The central protagonist of the new testament may very well be a documented person. As the GP said it is the details of his life, and the events after his execution, that may be matters of faith.
How does any of the above change the fact that *some* things in the bible are rational and well informed? Lets say you have a thousand year old book on sailing that says the earth is flat and that you will fall off the edge if you travel too far from land. Do you throw out the rational lessons on navigating using the sun and stars just because the flat earth thing appears in the same book?
Also you confuse a lunatic fringe with religious people in general with respect to modern medicine. Inoculations may have begun as a religious rite in India. Catholic and protestant hospitals offer vaccinations every day.
Regarding the proposition that some non-religious people believe epidemics are punishment, yes that is true. A lunatic fringe of that population will say it is mother earth / nature punishing mankind for despoiling the earth.:-)
It could have something to do with the fact that a withdrawal is in progress.
Bush also planned a withdrawal. Bush said when conditions were right after a surge to increase stability. Obama said after a surge to increase stability we will withdrawal on this date, unless conditions indicate that withdrawal should be delayed or if the Iraqi gov't asks us to stay longer. Yeah, that is some real policy change there.
Why would the population plummet? Fornication refers only to unsanctioned sex, ie sex outside of marriage, not all sex. Married couples have been known to produce a child or two, and for some very religious married couples many more than two children. Its also common when fornicating to try to avoid producing a child.
Translation: Religion is born from FEAR and IGNORANCE.
Actually the opposite can sometimes be true. Religion can also be a practical survival manual based upon observations. For example I believe if one adheres to the old testament prohibitions against eating certain types of seafood then one will avoid most of the unsafe species in that part of the world. We say don't do something because the surgeon general says so, thousands of years ago they said don't do something because God said so. Maybe its the telephone game: "great healer says" becomes "great shaman says" becomes "God says", all based on a scientific sort of process - at least the observation part, can't say if they also did the experimentation part.
Are you sure you are not operating on fear of a particular 3 or 4 thousand year old book and rejecting everything in it in an irrational and ignorant way? If we were talking about Hawaiian kapu and its instructions on fishing and such would you be more open minded?
A kiddie tried to make a joke literally using "Point this side to the enemy" as his punchline. I pointed out that such markings are not jokes, they can be quite real and rational, deadly serious. If you experienced a woosh moment and thought my post was something else, well too bad.
No. My point is that the Iraqi and Afghan wars are largely continuing using the Bush war plans and yet the protesters have gone away. What changed? Mostly it was the political party in power.
As western Europe shuts down their nuclear reactors they become more dependent upon Russian fossil fuels. Russia has made a lot of money off of energy exports and is likely to see this increase.
yeah, we know, we play call of duty modern warfare too. yawn.
Clue: Some people have experience beyond a video game and such markings are deadly serious and greatly appreciated by those working in the dark, they are not a punchline.
The point you are missing is that the wars in iraq and afghanistan are still basically following the bush war plan but the protesters are surprisingly absent.
Because it's an anti-government cult set up by the CIA and Taiwanese to destabilize China. Gee, I seem to remember the US government slaughtering the entire "Branch Davidian" cult in the 90s and they are much much smaller than Falun Gong and did not have any backing from foreign intelligence services! Also, Epoch Times is an anti-China propaganda paper. I'd take it about as seriously as a paper from Hitler Youth.
Its hard to take your post seriously either. The Branch Davidians were heavily armed and shot at cops who came onto their property. They also spread flammable liquids all about their bunkered building. Whether they ignited these flammables intentionally or it was accidentally ignited by gov't smoke grenades, gunfire, etc is debatable. The fact remains that the davidians prepped their own building for fire. Get back to us when the Falun Gong go down such a path. AFAICT their crime is believing there is something more authoritative than the Chinese Communist Party.
And another on the barrel "Point this side to the enemy".
Guess what is molded into the front side of the U.S. Claymore mine in big raised letters that can read or detected by touch: "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore_mine
(1) Green products. Corporate CEOs did not introduce greener products because they decided to become good citizens. Rather they recognized a market opportunity. Someone experimented and offered a green product, and consumers displayed a preference for such products to some measurable degree. Consumers rewarded companies offering greener products, the profit incentive was aligned with greener products.
(2) Offshoring manufacturing. Someone experimented and offered a product produced offshore, and consumers displayed a preference for lower priced products. Consumers rewarded offshore production, the profit incentive was aligned with offshoring. Had the consumer punished that first offshored product by purchasing a domestically manufactured product then the profit incentive would have been aligned against offshoring. Consumers are in charge.
Note that neither case is permanent, it is an ongoing process. If consumers show a preference for cost over green the profit incentive will realign. If consumers show a preference for domestic manufacture over lower price then the profit incentive will realign.
As long as the royal "they" (governments, big corporations) can tell us who we are then they shall remain in control... If we're all Guy Fawkes then they are powerless
Democratic (as in democracy, not the US political party) governments and corporations are already powerless. Governments are guided by our voting patters, or our apathy. Corporations are guided by our buying patterns, or our apathy. Neither can do more than we allow.
Running down the street in a Guy Fawkes mask and breaking windows and setting cars on fire is powerless. That plays into the establishment's game, its what the system is designed to handle. What the politicians can not counter is you voting for someone else. What the CEOs can not counter is you buying someone else's product. Politicians and CEOs are both greed oriented, one craves votes the other money, we are the source of both so we are in control. Vote and spend wisely if you want change.
Western lens, absolutely. For example I was thinking exfiltration/escape routes, as a pilot may study terrain imagery to familiarize with possible routes. However on second thought the bad guys don't seem to need that so much.
Suicide bombers don't really need to plan on evasion and escape. Just sayin'.
Western lens, absolutely. For example I was thinking exfiltration/escape routes, as a pilot may study terrain imagery to familiarize with possible routes. However on second thought the bad guys don't seem to need that so much.
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For example I believe if one adheres to the old testament prohibitions against eating certain types of seafood then one will avoid most of the unsafe species in that part of the world.
Bullshit. The injunctions against certain food were based simply on the personal preference of a few people with schizotypal personalities ... Partial disproof of what you say can be found in the middens of Ancient Near Eastern people: civilizations eating pork and shellfish lived next door to Jewish civilizations that didn't, and there's no indication one thrived worse than the other. Don't throw the "ignorant" label around unless you're prepared to be stuck with it yourself in face of evidence.
Sadly you are practicing what you preach against. You offer no evidence that it was simply a preference and you ignore the actual evidence of toxins and parasites. You ironically display a quite religious form of thinking. Note that the toxins may not necessarily kill an individual, rather make him sick for a couple of days. Note that parasites do not generally kill the host, rather weaken the host and reduce his health or quality of life. And as another poster points out regarding who thrived in the region, it was the peoples whose religions had these sort of rules.
Yes and the cook at the bar my dad goes to from time to time is Jesus as well.
I could be mistaken but I think the secular scientists mentioned above are referring to a 1st century nazarene that was a social reformer/agitator and who was executed by the romans. The central protagonist of the new testament may very well be a documented person. As the GP said it is the details of his life, and the events after his execution, that may be matters of faith.
How does any of the above change the fact that *some* things in the bible are rational and well informed? Lets say you have a thousand year old book on sailing that says the earth is flat and that you will fall off the edge if you travel too far from land. Do you throw out the rational lessons on navigating using the sun and stars just because the flat earth thing appears in the same book?
:-)
Also you confuse a lunatic fringe with religious people in general with respect to modern medicine. Inoculations may have begun as a religious rite in India. Catholic and protestant hospitals offer vaccinations every day.
Regarding the proposition that some non-religious people believe epidemics are punishment, yes that is true. A lunatic fringe of that population will say it is mother earth / nature punishing mankind for despoiling the earth.
Yeah but it's kinda silly that we've got people adhering to food safety laws from millenia ago, before the refrigerator was invented.
The refrigerator does not really help with certain toxins and species of worms, those old laws are not addressing spoilage. :-)
It could have something to do with the fact that a withdrawal is in progress.
Bush also planned a withdrawal. Bush said when conditions were right after a surge to increase stability. Obama said after a surge to increase stability we will withdrawal on this date, unless conditions indicate that withdrawal should be delayed or if the Iraqi gov't asks us to stay longer. Yeah, that is some real policy change there.
Why would the population plummet? Fornication refers only to unsanctioned sex, ie sex outside of marriage, not all sex. Married couples have been known to produce a child or two, and for some very religious married couples many more than two children. Its also common when fornicating to try to avoid producing a child.
Translation: Religion is born from FEAR and IGNORANCE.
Actually the opposite can sometimes be true. Religion can also be a practical survival manual based upon observations. For example I believe if one adheres to the old testament prohibitions against eating certain types of seafood then one will avoid most of the unsafe species in that part of the world. We say don't do something because the surgeon general says so, thousands of years ago they said don't do something because God said so. Maybe its the telephone game: "great healer says" becomes "great shaman says" becomes "God says", all based on a scientific sort of process - at least the observation part, can't say if they also did the experimentation part.
Are you sure you are not operating on fear of a particular 3 or 4 thousand year old book and rejecting everything in it in an irrational and ignorant way? If we were talking about Hawaiian kapu and its instructions on fishing and such would you be more open minded?
A kiddie tried to make a joke literally using "Point this side to the enemy" as his punchline. I pointed out that such markings are not jokes, they can be quite real and rational, deadly serious. If you experienced a woosh moment and thought my post was something else, well too bad.
No. My point is that the Iraqi and Afghan wars are largely continuing using the Bush war plans and yet the protesters have gone away. What changed? Mostly it was the political party in power.
Exactly. My point is that such markings are not punchlines for a joke. They are deadly serious and greatly appreciated.
Did you read the post you replied to, or were you intending to reply to the original rather than the followup?
As western Europe shuts down their nuclear reactors they become more dependent upon Russian fossil fuels. Russia has made a lot of money off of energy exports and is likely to see this increase.
yeah, we know, we play call of duty modern warfare too. yawn.
Clue: Some people have experience beyond a video game and such markings are deadly serious and greatly appreciated by those working in the dark, they are not a punchline.
The point you are missing is that the wars in iraq and afghanistan are still basically following the bush war plan but the protesters are surprisingly absent.
And where are the anti-war protestors?
Waiting for a republican administration apparently.
Hand it over to a bunch of dudes that strap APC turrets to the back of pickup trucks.
I would think that if such guys can use the drone then the design is pretty good.
Because it's an anti-government cult set up by the CIA and Taiwanese to destabilize China. Gee, I seem to remember the US government slaughtering the entire "Branch Davidian" cult in the 90s and they are much much smaller than Falun Gong and did not have any backing from foreign intelligence services! Also, Epoch Times is an anti-China propaganda paper. I'd take it about as seriously as a paper from Hitler Youth.
Its hard to take your post seriously either. The Branch Davidians were heavily armed and shot at cops who came onto their property. They also spread flammable liquids all about their bunkered building. Whether they ignited these flammables intentionally or it was accidentally ignited by gov't smoke grenades, gunfire, etc is debatable. The fact remains that the davidians prepped their own building for fire. Get back to us when the Falun Gong go down such a path. AFAICT their crime is believing there is something more authoritative than the Chinese Communist Party.
Perhaps being interviewed regarding their time abroad once they return home encourages them to demonstrate "patriotism" while aboard?
And another on the barrel "Point this side to the enemy".
Guess what is molded into the front side of the U.S. Claymore mine in big raised letters that can read or detected by touch: "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore_mine
Not Armed...Yet. Given time and duct tape though?
And sufficient lift, which is probably not available.
(1) Green products. Corporate CEOs did not introduce greener products because they decided to become good citizens. Rather they recognized a market opportunity. Someone experimented and offered a green product, and consumers displayed a preference for such products to some measurable degree. Consumers rewarded companies offering greener products, the profit incentive was aligned with greener products.
(2) Offshoring manufacturing. Someone experimented and offered a product produced offshore, and consumers displayed a preference for lower priced products. Consumers rewarded offshore production, the profit incentive was aligned with offshoring. Had the consumer punished that first offshored product by purchasing a domestically manufactured product then the profit incentive would have been aligned against offshoring. Consumers are in charge.
Note that neither case is permanent, it is an ongoing process. If consumers show a preference for cost over green the profit incentive will realign. If consumers show a preference for domestic manufacture over lower price then the profit incentive will realign.
As long as the royal "they" (governments, big corporations) can tell us who we are then they shall remain in control ... If we're all Guy Fawkes then they are powerless
Democratic (as in democracy, not the US political party) governments and corporations are already powerless. Governments are guided by our voting patters, or our apathy. Corporations are guided by our buying patterns, or our apathy. Neither can do more than we allow.
Running down the street in a Guy Fawkes mask and breaking windows and setting cars on fire is powerless. That plays into the establishment's game, its what the system is designed to handle. What the politicians can not counter is you voting for someone else. What the CEOs can not counter is you buying someone else's product. Politicians and CEOs are both greed oriented, one craves votes the other money, we are the source of both so we are in control. Vote and spend wisely if you want change.
Western lens, absolutely. For example I was thinking exfiltration/escape routes, as a pilot may study terrain imagery to familiarize with possible routes. However on second thought the bad guys don't seem to need that so much.
Suicide bombers don't really need to plan on evasion and escape. Just sayin'.
I think we are both sayin that. :-)
Western lens, absolutely. For example I was thinking exfiltration/escape routes, as a pilot may study terrain imagery to familiarize with possible routes. However on second thought the bad guys don't seem to need that so much.
Or maybe they see some security benefit to it. Your rant is hardly evidence to the contrary.