*sigh* I always knew incels were immature, but you're the first one I've met who actually regressed to pre-literacy. I thought you were an urban legend.
Ahem. Let's try this again.
Incel no bad word. No hurt people feelings. Say first not last. Then people read you. Hurt them more.
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Dude, sit down. You're doing this all wrong, and it only makes you look dumber.
Look; you want to know why I always open with "incel"? Because it's not an insult or a slur of any kind. It's the community's preferred name for itself. They even name their biggest communities after it; look at/r/incel or its successor/r/braincels for examples of this. They do have terms they consider slurs: "creepy", for example, or "manchild", and it's true that I use those freely as well. But "incel"? Not insulting at all. They wear it as a badge of honor.
That's why you start with it. Draw them in first, then hit them with the insults. You've got it all backwards; you're ending with it like some kind of deathstroke when it's nothing of the sort.
God. Seriously. The quality of basement-dwellers on Slashdot has seriously nosedived over the last decade. You literally have to tell them how to do their own trolling nowadays.
incel - 1. n. [archaic] A person with a disability which renders him or her physically unable to engage in sex, but which does not impact libido.
2. n. A person, usually male, whose immature behavior pushes women away, yet blames his inability to get a date on society in general. See also basement-dweller, creepy, manchild.
Funny how you can't name a movie from after the campaigns began in earnest. Review-bombing actually did start slightly before Wonder Woman, but it didn't really pick up steam until mid-to-late 2017. Wonder Woman slid under the bar without too much damage, but did in fact pick up some hate, which you conveniently forget.
Against a bunch of incels shrieking EWW ICKY GIRL PROTAGONIST? I'm all for logical arguments, but you can't logically rebut creepy lizard-brain bullshit: there's no logic to hang it on. Best you can do is give them the social pressure to just grow the fuck up that they desperately need, yet desperately avoid.
Interpretation is irrelevant. Even if it weren't, the point would be moot, because Java is not interpreted. Even if interpretation wrre relevant, it would be a moot point, because although Java's execution model has changed somewhat in practice over the years, it has never been an interpreted language.
They actually did have a Windows version of Safari for a while, a few years back. It never gained any traction, but the exercise in porting WebKit to Windows is part of what made Chrome possible.
Awkward grammatical construction, I'm afraid. I was going for "doing the work for oneself", not "growing up for oneself", Sorry about that.
But what's the point of doing the work for oneself? That's easy: nothing else gets the job done. Growing up is a thought-based process, and no one can think for you. If you want to grow up, you have to grow up; no amount of girlfriends or mothers or anyone else can grow you up.
This is not a pleasant or quick process. I understand that only too well. Growing up isn't easy. But you still have to do it, and more to the point, you have to do it. Everyone else went through the process a long time ago, and it wasn't easy or pleasant for them either.
No, he doesn't need a GF. His whole problem is that he thinks he "needs" a GF to "fix" him, rather than just doing the work of growing the fuck up for himself.
I mean, that's basically it. The only catch is that it only works after you've actually built a self for yourself. Getting by on the same id-driven half-psyche you had as a toddler is only going to get you called out as a creeper.
Paul and PewDiePie earned their ostracism fair and square. Maybe if they started acting like people, they'd gain an audience outside basement-dwellers, sockpuppets, and dead accounts.
So I had to look him up to confirm this, because I'd never heard anything about it, but... well, yeah. One less incel in the world, and Earth becomes a slightly better place. He will not be missed.
Such a shame, too. All he really had to do was grow the fuck up. Nothing Herculean or anything.
Losing Presto was bad enough, and losing EdgeHTML is even worse. We need more major good engines; this is how open standards stay open. Chromium and Gecko are frankly not enough by themselves, and Servo won't increase the number of good engines because it'll just take the spot currently occupied by Gecko.
25-year-old dictation software did indeed suck. But the voice-control software worked well enough (PlainTalk, nee MacInTalk, did, anyway). Frankly, the voice-recognition software in my Echo seems roughly comparable to what Apple was doing 25 years ago, which is more depressing than anything else.
You seem awfully hung up on the word "incel". Why that one in particular? It's what they call themselves. Is it heinous to call them by their own chosen name?
To be honest I don't even know what the word means and don't really care to. It is obviously a slur of some form and I have no use for it.
It's short for "involuntary celibate". Geeks who haven't had much romantic success have jokingly called themselves that for generations, of course, but this particular abbreviation has taken a darker twist: specifically, it's a community of male geeks who can't convince women to sleep with them (other gender combinations tend to get frozen out of the community), blame society for it, and get really bitter about it. Sometimes violently so, nowadays. This is the name they call themselves, among themselves and, increasingly others. No slur.
I just think the rampant name calling here is getting out of control. You don't even know these people. I'm sure most of them are pretty cool people. Sure we got people like bill, and jojo that are off their nut... But you got to admit they do at least bring some comedic value to these comment sections.
Ever hang around these people? I used to think this myself, but when you really get to know people like this, to see them with their hair down, it becomes depressingly clear that they're not joking. When you realize they actually believe the shit they spew, it stops being funny and starts being creepy.
Incidentally, "creepy" is the word that the incels consider a slur.
Correct, they do have very crude tactics for trying to get people on their side about an issue, shaming and name calling being one of them.
That's not a liberal thing in particular: they do it, of course, but so does everyone else.
What really differentiates the liberal version of this tactic from the conservative version is that liberals don't usually dig any deeper. They pick surface traits or actions and say that a person is evilbadwrong for them, but they tend to leave it at that. Conservatives dig into a person's psyche and dredge up old insecurities or even traumas: what liberals might call "triggering".
This does not mean that I think the liberal version is necessarily "better" than the conservative version. I don't actually know. I struggle with it for two reasons. One is that because the liberals stick to the surface, their false-positive rate is astonishingly high: their efforts have caused a lot of collateral damage over the years. It can't do otherwise, because in many cases they fail to do their due diligence to determine who is really a fair target and who isn't; they just scattershot their attacks over the whole opposition. Secondly, their surface-based methods can be relatively useful against soft targets, but against the more hardened folks like the incels and Nazis, it just gets brushed off as what's currently being called the NPC script. You cam't reach these people without digging deeper and dredging up the old shame: it's traumatic, but trauma is the only thing that works.
And that's why I eschew the libs' way of doing this. I know I sound similar at first, but when's the last time you heard a liberal say "you deserved the ostracism you faced as a kid"? What kind of liberal tells someone "no one will miss you when you're gone"? In the wake of Charlottesville, liberals are very wary of talking about replacing people, because it references a common insecurity and conspiracy theory among the incels and Nazis, but I leverage that insecurity heavily. Liberals are loath to call people "deadweight"; I do it freely. And so on, and so forth.
I've discussed my methods with liberals. Some of them like the lines for a couple seconds, but even among these, the chuckles turn to horror pretty quickly as they think over the implications. So yeah, it's not hard to mistake me for a liberal at first, just because I'm fighting a particular kind of conservative,
At least you're honest about your self. Can't take that from you.
It works out for me pretty well. The fun thing about being genuine is that literally no one expects it. They don't know what to do with you, and it kills their flow.
Yet you claim to target me why?
You look like a duck, you walk like a duck, you quack like a duck, you flock with the ducks. Don't bother feigning surprise at being called a duck.
I'm a generally pretty easy going guy. I don't however attach heinous names to people without reason.
You seem awfully hung up on the word "incel". Why that one in particular? It's what they call themselves. Is it heinous to call them by their own chosen name?
I see you say the "libs" hands aren't clean, but that doesn't give you an excuse to act exactly as they do.
Not quite exactly. The libs have this decades-long habit of using a sledgehammer when they should be using a scalpel. You know that. I know that. The collateral damage is extremely high. And it cost both sides dear: we stopped listening to the alarmism while they cried wolf for decades, but that's exactly how the wolves slipped in.
Because, you see, there are fair targets. And this is one of the main differences between what I do and what they do: I don't overgeneralize. I don't use terms like "conservatives" and "Republicans" because I don't mean to to target conservatives and Republicans. I say "incels" and "Nazis" because those are my targets. Most of them will flat-out tell you who they are.
Keep that one fact in mind as you look over my posts, and I think that you'll find that I don't sound very liberal anymore. Most of my wording and much of my tactics come from the very people I'm targeting. They've long since shown that they can take what the liberals are willing to dish out, but they don't fare so well against their own medicine.
And yet, they fear it. That much is plain to see from their writings.
I don't see that fear.
Have you not been reading their own writings?
They don't need any further evidence that someone is out to get them. That's been plain for anyone to see for generations. You and I know it just as well, because we happened to be in the blast radius.
Let's not forget many incels are the kind of people who are already used to being ostracized, with people refusing to have sex with them.
The funny thing about being ostracized is that you never get used to it. And once you've tasted any semblance of acceptance, going back is much, much worse. Again, you and I both know what I'm talking about: splash damage is rough.
I think you misunderstand my goal. I didn't say to ignore them.
You did say ostracize them.
ostracized transitive verb 1 : to exile by ostracism 2 : to exclude from a group by common consent
Maybe it is you who don't understand the words you're using, but when you exclude or exile someone, that means you're ignoring them. You kick them out, implicitly stop caring (ignore) what happens to them afterwards.
You should be careful. Stretch like that too often and you'll tear something.
Protesting projects to which one has personal objections is not bullying. The DoD in particular has a long history of it. You don't have the right for your view to hold sway -for that, you still have to convince other people of the merit of your ideas- but you do have the right to object.
We do have a serious problem with bullies in our midst, though. That's ironic, given that even just a decade ago we were more conmonly associated with being bullied than with bullying, but it is what it is. This very site has been around long enough to chronicle the shift. The incels and Nazis, the gamergaters and trolls, the gatekeepers and the missing stairs: geeks had barely conquered the world when far too many of us flipped the switch from tormented to tormentor. And even those of us who didn't still enabled those who did, out of a misguided sense of duty for far too long.
Bezos is wrong. But we have become the bullies of our age; it just wasn't in the way Bezos claimed.
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More like the Russians were still ironing the bugs out of their movie-review bots, amirite?
*sigh* I always knew incels were immature, but you're the first one I've met who actually regressed to pre-literacy. I thought you were an urban legend.
Ahem. Let's try this again.
Incel no bad word. No hurt people feelings. Say first not last. Then people read you. Hurt them more.
I see the bomb squad has showed up.
Hi there! You'll find the review menu right under this post. Just remember, once you vote, you can no longer post to tell me what a poopyheaded jerkface Chad I am for being a big bullying meanie to the poor oppressed manchildren. And if you have given in to the screeching rage already, well, that's why you don't see the menu. Too bad, so sad, no good boy points for you.
Have fun, and remember: no one wants you around, and it's all your fault.
Dude, sit down. You're doing this all wrong, and it only makes you look dumber.
Look; you want to know why I always open with "incel"? Because it's not an insult or a slur of any kind. It's the community's preferred name for itself. They even name their biggest communities after it; look at /r/incel or its successor /r/braincels for examples of this. They do have terms they consider slurs: "creepy", for example, or "manchild", and it's true that I use those freely as well. But "incel"? Not insulting at all. They wear it as a badge of honor.
That's why you start with it. Draw them in first, then hit them with the insults. You've got it all backwards; you're ending with it like some kind of deathstroke when it's nothing of the sort.
God. Seriously. The quality of basement-dwellers on Slashdot has seriously nosedived over the last decade. You literally have to tell them how to do their own trolling nowadays.
What's an "incel"? OED has no clue.
incel - 1. n. [archaic] A person with a disability which renders him or her physically unable to engage in sex, but which does not impact libido.
2. n. A person, usually male, whose immature behavior pushes women away, yet blames his inability to get a date on society in general. See also basement-dweller, creepy, manchild.
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Funny how you can't name a movie from after the campaigns began in earnest. Review-bombing actually did start slightly before Wonder Woman, but it didn't really pick up steam until mid-to-late 2017. Wonder Woman slid under the bar without too much damage, but did in fact pick up some hate, which you conveniently forget.
Assume much? Maybe a lot of women don't want to see it.
And maybe I'm the Queen of England.
Against a bunch of incels shrieking EWW ICKY GIRL PROTAGONIST? I'm all for logical arguments, but you can't logically rebut creepy lizard-brain bullshit: there's no logic to hang it on. Best you can do is give them the social pressure to just grow the fuck up that they desperately need, yet desperately avoid.
Interpretation is irrelevant. Even if it weren't, the point would be moot, because Java is not interpreted. Even if interpretation wrre relevant, it would be a moot point, because although Java's execution model has changed somewhat in practice over the years, it has never been an interpreted language.
They actually did have a Windows version of Safari for a while, a few years back. It never gained any traction, but the exercise in porting WebKit to Windows is part of what made Chrome possible.
If they were ever going to figure this out, they'd have done it by now. A five-year-old could have told them that.
Awkward grammatical construction, I'm afraid. I was going for "doing the work for oneself", not "growing up for oneself", Sorry about that.
But what's the point of doing the work for oneself? That's easy: nothing else gets the job done. Growing up is a thought-based process, and no one can think for you. If you want to grow up, you have to grow up; no amount of girlfriends or mothers or anyone else can grow you up.
This is not a pleasant or quick process. I understand that only too well. Growing up isn't easy. But you still have to do it, and more to the point, you have to do it. Everyone else went through the process a long time ago, and it wasn't easy or pleasant for them either.
Elliot Rodger had a couple. None of them would put out for him, of course, but the fact remains that he had them.
No, he doesn't need a GF. His whole problem is that he thinks he "needs" a GF to "fix" him, rather than just doing the work of growing the fuck up for himself.
I mean, that's basically it. The only catch is that it only works after you've actually built a self for yourself. Getting by on the same id-driven half-psyche you had as a toddler is only going to get you called out as a creeper.
Paul and PewDiePie earned their ostracism fair and square. Maybe if they started acting like people, they'd gain an audience outside basement-dwellers, sockpuppets, and dead accounts.
So I had to look him up to confirm this, because I'd never heard anything about it, but... well, yeah. One less incel in the world, and Earth becomes a slightly better place. He will not be missed.
Such a shame, too. All he really had to do was grow the fuck up. Nothing Herculean or anything.
Losing Presto was bad enough, and losing EdgeHTML is even worse. We need more major good engines; this is how open standards stay open. Chromium and Gecko are frankly not enough by themselves, and Servo won't increase the number of good engines because it'll just take the spot currently occupied by Gecko.
25-year-old dictation software did indeed suck. But the voice-control software worked well enough (PlainTalk, nee MacInTalk, did, anyway). Frankly, the voice-recognition software in my Echo seems roughly comparable to what Apple was doing 25 years ago, which is more depressing than anything else.
1998? Silly Microserf (as some called them at the time), Welcome to 1993.
You seem awfully hung up on the word "incel". Why that one in particular? It's what they call themselves. Is it heinous to call them by their own chosen name?
To be honest I don't even know what the word means and don't really care to. It is obviously a slur of some form and I have no use for it.
It's short for "involuntary celibate". Geeks who haven't had much romantic success have jokingly called themselves that for generations, of course, but this particular abbreviation has taken a darker twist: specifically, it's a community of male geeks who can't convince women to sleep with them (other gender combinations tend to get frozen out of the community), blame society for it, and get really bitter about it. Sometimes violently so, nowadays. This is the name they call themselves, among themselves and, increasingly others. No slur.
I just think the rampant name calling here is getting out of control. You don't even know these people. I'm sure most of them are pretty cool people. Sure we got people like bill, and jojo that are off their nut... But you got to admit they do at least bring some comedic value to these comment sections.
Ever hang around these people? I used to think this myself, but when you really get to know people like this, to see them with their hair down, it becomes depressingly clear that they're not joking. When you realize they actually believe the shit they spew, it stops being funny and starts being creepy.
Incidentally, "creepy" is the word that the incels consider a slur.
Correct, they do have very crude tactics for trying to get people on their side about an issue, shaming and name calling being one of them.
That's not a liberal thing in particular: they do it, of course, but so does everyone else.
What really differentiates the liberal version of this tactic from the conservative version is that liberals don't usually dig any deeper. They pick surface traits or actions and say that a person is evilbadwrong for them, but they tend to leave it at that. Conservatives dig into a person's psyche and dredge up old insecurities or even traumas: what liberals might call "triggering".
This does not mean that I think the liberal version is necessarily "better" than the conservative version. I don't actually know. I struggle with it for two reasons. One is that because the liberals stick to the surface, their false-positive rate is astonishingly high: their efforts have caused a lot of collateral damage over the years. It can't do otherwise, because in many cases they fail to do their due diligence to determine who is really a fair target and who isn't; they just scattershot their attacks over the whole opposition. Secondly, their surface-based methods can be relatively useful against soft targets, but against the more hardened folks like the incels and Nazis, it just gets brushed off as what's currently being called the NPC script. You cam't reach these people without digging deeper and dredging up the old shame: it's traumatic, but trauma is the only thing that works.
And that's why I eschew the libs' way of doing this. I know I sound similar at first, but when's the last time you heard a liberal say "you deserved the ostracism you faced as a kid"? What kind of liberal tells someone "no one will miss you when you're gone"? In the wake of Charlottesville, liberals are very wary of talking about replacing people, because it references a common insecurity and conspiracy theory among the incels and Nazis, but I leverage that insecurity heavily. Liberals are loath to call people "deadweight"; I do it freely. And so on, and so forth.
I've discussed my methods with liberals. Some of them like the lines for a couple seconds, but even among these, the chuckles turn to horror pretty quickly as they think over the implications. So yeah, it's not hard to mistake me for a liberal at first, just because I'm fighting a particular kind of conservative,
At least you're honest about your self. Can't take that from you.
It works out for me pretty well. The fun thing about being genuine is that literally no one expects it. They don't know what to do with you, and it kills their flow.
Yet you claim to target me why?
You look like a duck, you walk like a duck, you quack like a duck, you flock with the ducks. Don't bother feigning surprise at being called a duck.
I'm a generally pretty easy going guy. I don't however attach heinous names to people without reason.
You seem awfully hung up on the word "incel". Why that one in particular? It's what they call themselves. Is it heinous to call them by their own chosen name?
I see you say the "libs" hands aren't clean, but that doesn't give you an excuse to act exactly as they do.
Not quite exactly. The libs have this decades-long habit of using a sledgehammer when they should be using a scalpel. You know that. I know that. The collateral damage is extremely high. And it cost both sides dear: we stopped listening to the alarmism while they cried wolf for decades, but that's exactly how the wolves slipped in.
Because, you see, there are fair targets. And this is one of the main differences between what I do and what they do: I don't overgeneralize. I don't use terms like "conservatives" and "Republicans" because I don't mean to to target conservatives and Republicans. I say "incels" and "Nazis" because those are my targets. Most of them will flat-out tell you who they are.
Keep that one fact in mind as you look over my posts, and I think that you'll find that I don't sound very liberal anymore. Most of my wording and much of my tactics come from the very people I'm targeting. They've long since shown that they can take what the liberals are willing to dish out, but they don't fare so well against their own medicine.
And yet, they fear it. That much is plain to see from their writings.
I don't see that fear.
Have you not been reading their own writings?
They don't need any further evidence that someone is out to get them. That's been plain for anyone to see for generations. You and I know it just as well, because we happened to be in the blast radius.
Let's not forget many incels are the kind of people who are already used to being ostracized, with people refusing to have sex with them.
The funny thing about being ostracized is that you never get used to it. And once you've tasted any semblance of acceptance, going back is much, much worse. Again, you and I both know what I'm talking about: splash damage is rough.
I think you misunderstand my goal. I didn't say to ignore them.
You did say ostracize them.
ostracized
transitive verb
1 : to exile by ostracism
2 : to exclude from a group by common consent
Maybe it is you who don't understand the words you're using, but when you exclude or exile someone, that means you're ignoring them. You kick them out, implicitly stop caring (ignore) what happens to them afterwards.
You should be careful. Stretch like that too often and you'll tear something.
Protesting projects to which one has personal objections is not bullying. The DoD in particular has a long history of it. You don't have the right for your view to hold sway -for that, you still have to convince other people of the merit of your ideas- but you do have the right to object.
We do have a serious problem with bullies in our midst, though. That's ironic, given that even just a decade ago we were more conmonly associated with being bullied than with bullying, but it is what it is. This very site has been around long enough to chronicle the shift. The incels and Nazis, the gamergaters and trolls, the gatekeepers and the missing stairs: geeks had barely conquered the world when far too many of us flipped the switch from tormented to tormentor. And even those of us who didn't still enabled those who did, out of a misguided sense of duty for far too long.
Bezos is wrong. But we have become the bullies of our age; it just wasn't in the way Bezos claimed.