I'm afraid all of you are completely wrong. NWA is the only timeless music, with such deep and touching songs (full of sound advice) such as "bitch betta have my money", "Fuck the Police", "She swallowed it", and "The art of sucking dick". I'm afraid none of your hippie crap will ever compare.
the beatles were considered 'pop' (well at least by mtv).
Wow, really? That's good to know, especially since MTV wasn't even concieved for a number of DECADES after the beatles were considered "pop". And, no their lyrics sucked just as bad as today's pop. Take the words from the "hello, I love you, won't you tell me your name" song, mix with any backdoorboys music, and you've got a pop song of today.
It's all chemically the same shit, some's just significantly older.
From everything I've done and seen, debugging a program is often more difficult than programming it in the first place. Some of my friends spend 3 day straight binges doing nothing but bugfixing and bughunting.
Sweet Jeebus! You mean that Microsoft is trying to make money! What an evil, despicable, corporation! For shame! Sorry. Not everyone is socialist. Deal with it.
As for your comment "Microsoft also is willing to cheapyly site-license this stuff to colleges and universities that have the money to pay full price. This is not charity.", I don't know what you've been smoking, but I think you need to look up the definition of "charity" again. If I give a family a turkey for thanksgiving, even if they could afford it, I'm still being charitable towards them. Thus my action is considered "charity".
You apparently missed the point of my last post. Microsoft products (unlike heroin) allow people to make money when they are proficient with them. Heroin makes your teeth and hair fall out. Thus, a learning to use a microsoft product has positive reprocussions, using heroin does not. Based on those points and the conclusion, I must say that your comparison is misguided and incorrect.
Microsoft, as much as you may want it to, isn't going anywhere, and it will still be the main force in corporate America. That's a fact that you're going to have learn to deal with.
And, ya know, who the hell actually uses MS products in the real world?
Of course they're teaching about the windows API - it's in their rational self-interest. Conicidentally, since windows is the dominant operating system in the entire corporate body of America it seems to be in my best interest that I learn it. Besides - would you rather I have NO programming experience at all, or that provided by MS?
Did Katz just refer to himself in third person? What a pretentious prick.
The columbine killers had friends and family. They were ridiculed just as every other person in the US public school system is. They simply lacked the facilities to sanely cope with life. They were mistakes... bluntly put.
This is not flamebait or a troll, just my honest opinion.
I'm actually a student taking a C++ class in school, and if it weren't for microsoft providing the materials, quite frankly, my school would have no computer department. period. The teachers simply lack the funds and initiative to create a computer department unaided. Trying to villianize MS for being charitable is completely rediculous. It's as though you ran out of bad things they've done, and attempt to twist their virtuous acts into something that sounds as though it promotes your whole irrational anti-microsoft stance.
Microsoft will probably never become free for everyone or open sourced, but just deal with it. However, when they do provide charity (for FREE) to schools so as to aid in education, you had better respect that.
Every time you hear about these arguments, it seems the people claiming the bacteria are from space base their claim solely upon the observation that the bacteria could survive in outer space. This is a logical fallacy on more than one ground(induction, as opposed to the logically sound deduction for starters). Just because my computer could hurl through space and still be functional, does not mean it necessarily comes from space.
That's nice and all, but after reviewing every single one of my messages, I still can't seem to find where I even implied that I had a direct quote from Kaplan. Supposing I am wrong, could you enlighten me as to where?
Actually, it specifically says in the article (in the part that was quoted in my original message) that Kaplan views them as lawlwss miscreants.
And, if you only know about kaplan from that article, then you must not have been reading slash very long. Remember all those articles about how Kaplan ruled in DVD deCSS case? Remember all the talk about the DMCA, which Kaplan used in his ruling?
Perhaps you should actually read the article before you accuse others of not having sufficient information.
You're missing my point entirely. I was objecting to the fact that he was making the generalization that hackers and open source programmers were "lawless miscreants".
I never said that they were. Such generalization would make me as guilty as Kaplan. My point was that not all hackers were open source programmers, and not all os programmers were "lawless miscreants". I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
From the article: District Judge Lewis Kaplan doesn't truly dislike hackers and open-source programmers, not exactly.
Kaplan, who sided with the motion picture industry in a landmark DVD-descrambling lawsuit this year, simply views them as lawless miscreants.
Woah! I missed the boat or something there. Since when were hackers *always* open source programmers, and open source programmers *always* "lawless miscreants"?
The uses of such material seem really quite incredible. Just think - outside the field of computing, these things could be used to reenforce bone material, or muscle tissue.
It seems that these might actually have a use, unlike the buckyballs mentioned, which don't seem to be doing much of, well, anything (or, am I wrong? If anyone has info on actual uses of C60, please enlighten me).
My estimate is that nanoscience will become actually useful and commonplace within 13 years... I hope:)
The wooden grail image was conjured by protestants - namely Lutherans - since it fits their belief that humility, regardless of position, is virtuous. The catholic image of the grail is generally more lavish, being made of gold and encrusted with gems and all.
So, yeah, it's kind of offtopic, but the grail's material isn't actually known:)
I really don't see the problem with this. He was doing what he had been accused of, no? And, anything can be an instrument of crime. If you stab someone with a screwdriver, it becomes an instrument of crime. Something simply being a cellphone is no indication of its illegal usage.
So, if somebody slaughters your family, and criminal investigators find detailed directions to your house, diagrams of the surrounding landscape, and various observational details (i.e. lights go out from 10:00 pm - 10:30 pm), and photos of the owner's prized rifle, yet they have no warrant, you would want this person to go unpunished? The government isn't using this as a submissive measure, it's using this as a measure to uphold justice and national security.
After all, even if they do snoop around on your computer, so long as you have no child porn or anything, what do you have to fear? They'll read your school notes?
Or, what if they cought the person who was about to kill you, your wife, or your child? It seems that would be far more advantagous to you as an individual than protection from political manipulation.
Not safe from ourselves, safe from violent criminals and predators. Do you have something you feel like you should be hiding? If you've done nothing wrong, what's wrong with telling the truth?
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Doors, beatles, whatever. All the same hippie crap.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
I'm afraid all of you are completely wrong. NWA is the only timeless music, with such deep and touching songs (full of sound advice) such as "bitch betta have my money", "Fuck the Police", "She swallowed it", and "The art of sucking dick". I'm afraid none of your hippie crap will ever compare.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
the beatles were considered 'pop' (well at least by mtv).
Wow, really? That's good to know, especially since MTV wasn't even concieved for a number of DECADES after the beatles were considered "pop". And, no their lyrics sucked just as bad as today's pop. Take the words from the "hello, I love you, won't you tell me your name" song, mix with any backdoorboys music, and you've got a pop song of today.
It's all chemically the same shit, some's just significantly older.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
From everything I've done and seen, debugging a program is often more difficult than programming it in the first place. Some of my friends spend 3 day straight binges doing nothing but bugfixing and bughunting.
Sounds like work to me.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
Sweet Jeebus! You mean that Microsoft is trying to make money! What an evil, despicable, corporation! For shame!
Sorry. Not everyone is socialist. Deal with it.
As for your comment "Microsoft also is willing to cheapyly site-license this stuff to colleges and universities that have the money to pay full price. This is not charity.", I don't know what you've been smoking, but I think you need to look up the definition of "charity" again. If I give a family a turkey for thanksgiving, even if they could afford it, I'm still being charitable towards them. Thus my action is considered "charity".
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
You apparently missed the point of my last post. Microsoft products (unlike heroin) allow people to make money when they are proficient with them. Heroin makes your teeth and hair fall out. Thus, a learning to use a microsoft product has positive reprocussions, using heroin does not. Based on those points and the conclusion, I must say that your comparison is misguided and incorrect.
Microsoft, as much as you may want it to, isn't going anywhere, and it will still be the main force in corporate America. That's a fact that you're going to have learn to deal with.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
And, ya know, who the hell actually uses MS products in the real world?
Of course they're teaching about the windows API - it's in their rational self-interest. Conicidentally, since windows is the dominant operating system in the entire corporate body of America it seems to be in my best interest that I learn it. Besides - would you rather I have NO programming experience at all, or that provided by MS?
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
Did Katz just refer to himself in third person? What a pretentious prick.
The columbine killers had friends and family. They were ridiculed just as every other person in the US public school system is. They simply lacked the facilities to sanely cope with life. They were mistakes... bluntly put.
This is not flamebait or a troll, just my honest opinion.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
I'm actually a student taking a C++ class in school, and if it weren't for microsoft providing the materials, quite frankly, my school would have no computer department. period. The teachers simply lack the funds and initiative to create a computer department unaided. Trying to villianize MS for being charitable is completely rediculous. It's as though you ran out of bad things they've done, and attempt to twist their virtuous acts into something that sounds as though it promotes your whole irrational anti-microsoft stance.
Microsoft will probably never become free for everyone or open sourced, but just deal with it. However, when they do provide charity (for FREE) to schools so as to aid in education, you had better respect that.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
because I like calculus more than I like programming.
*dons asbestos armor*
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
Every time you hear about these arguments, it seems the people claiming the bacteria are from space base their claim solely upon the observation that the bacteria could survive in outer space. This is a logical fallacy on more than one ground(induction, as opposed to the logically sound deduction for starters). Just because my computer could hurl through space and still be functional, does not mean it necessarily comes from space.
:)
Interesting nonetheless, though
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
That's nice and all, but after reviewing every single one of my messages, I still can't seem to find where I even implied that I had a direct quote from Kaplan. Supposing I am wrong, could you enlighten me as to where?
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
Actually, it specifically says in the article (in the part that was quoted in my original message) that Kaplan views them as lawlwss miscreants.
And, if you only know about kaplan from that article, then you must not have been reading slash very long. Remember all those articles about how Kaplan ruled in DVD deCSS case? Remember all the talk about the DMCA, which Kaplan used in his ruling?
Perhaps you should actually read the article before you accuse others of not having sufficient information.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
ahh. point taken. Sorry I was unclear earlier. You're right - I should have emphasized the hacker point as much as the open source programmer point.
Thanks.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
You're missing my point entirely. I was objecting to the fact that he was making the generalization that hackers and open source programmers were "lawless miscreants".
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
Good job. Now, read more than the first line of the quote I used, and reply again.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
I never said that they were. Such generalization would make me as guilty as Kaplan. My point was that not all hackers were open source programmers, and not all os programmers were "lawless miscreants". I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
From the article:
District Judge Lewis Kaplan doesn't truly dislike hackers and open-source programmers, not exactly.
Kaplan, who sided with the motion picture industry in a landmark DVD-descrambling lawsuit this year, simply views them as lawless miscreants.
Woah! I missed the boat or something there. Since when were hackers *always* open source programmers, and open source programmers *always* "lawless miscreants"?
Mr. Kaplan, I award you one troll moderation.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
The uses of such material seem really quite incredible. Just think - outside the field of computing, these things could be used to reenforce bone material, or muscle tissue.
:)
It seems that these might actually have a use, unlike the buckyballs mentioned, which don't seem to be doing much of, well, anything (or, am I wrong? If anyone has info on actual uses of C60, please enlighten me).
My estimate is that nanoscience will become actually useful and commonplace within 13 years... I hope
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
The wooden grail image was conjured by protestants - namely Lutherans - since it fits their belief that humility, regardless of position, is virtuous.
:)
The catholic image of the grail is generally more lavish, being made of gold and encrusted with gems and all.
So, yeah, it's kind of offtopic, but the grail's material isn't actually known
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
I really don't see the problem with this. He was doing what he had been accused of, no?
And, anything can be an instrument of crime. If you stab someone with a screwdriver, it becomes an instrument of crime. Something simply being a cellphone is no indication of its illegal usage.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
I prefer the freedom to life over the freedom to privacy. I am not a criminal, and therefore have nothing to hide!
If you would actually be willing to die simply because a government official looks at your computer, you certainly are a fool.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
So, if somebody slaughters your family, and criminal investigators find detailed directions to your house, diagrams of the surrounding landscape, and various observational details (i.e. lights go out from 10:00 pm - 10:30 pm), and photos of the owner's prized rifle, yet they have no warrant, you would want this person to go unpunished? The government isn't using this as a submissive measure, it's using this as a measure to uphold justice and national security.
After all, even if they do snoop around on your computer, so long as you have no child porn or anything, what do you have to fear? They'll read your school notes?
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
Or, what if they cought the person who was about to kill you, your wife, or your child? It seems that would be far more advantagous to you as an individual than protection from political manipulation.
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"
Not safe from ourselves, safe from violent criminals and predators. Do you have something you feel like you should be hiding? If you've done nothing wrong, what's wrong with telling the truth?
-CoG
"And with HIS stripes we are healed"