Ahh the state of the Internet. This has less to do with the script kiddies then with how corporate the internet has gotten.
First off, there will always be script kiddies. They'll have different names, different code, different reasons or ideals, but the effect is the same. They cause problems, disrupt services, whatever. They've been around a long time and will continue to be.
What happened to the hackers, the console cowboys, who knew the models, the specs, and RFC's by heart (some because they wrote them). The folks that would start playing around with the network layer and lower to figure out ways to stop the problem, maybe track the culprit down and give him or her something to play with.
Are most of the people out there little more then an auto mechanic for a computer? They know the languange the program in, the applications or code that the work with, the OS they use and can tweak it, tune it and basically extended it a bit, but they can't make any jumps of insight?
Wait...is this what a script kiddie becomes when they grow up?
Have the folks that wrote the RFC's and specs, those who started this whole business moved on? You know the admins and coders who had problems and wrote talkd, email, ircd or even httpd?
Don't ask the government to solve the problem. Don't wait for an ISP to do.
The govenrment doesn't have a clue and probably wouldn't have a solution you'd like. The ISP is out to make money, that's what they do, it's easier for them to disconnect then to for a solution and costs them less money.
"Neccessity is the mother of invention."
It should be the hackers motto.
"I have no idea where to look for config files. Don't tell me; if I really wanted to know I'd buy a book. Also, it seems to me that Linuxes are typically less willing to try and figure things out their own durn selves than Windowses. In MS desktop OS's once you install your nic driver it goes and FINDS the darn DNS and gateway and all that shit, which yes I should know but why the hell should I have to type it in? If Windows can find all that stuff Linux should be able to."
"I want things that I need to know about to jump out at me - I don't want to dig through unfamiliar directories via the command prompt. I want a folder called "Control Panels." Maybe I'm just choosing the wrong distros or something."
" one of the main reasons I wanted linux instead of Windows was so I could tinker with more of the guts"
I'm still trying to figure out how the person that wrote the first 2 paragraphs also wrote the 3rd.
Knowing where the config files are is getting to know the guts. Learning how to find them is a skill everyone should have. If you don't want this , you probably aren't really that interested.
If you can't answer some of those questions, you probably aren't as knowedgable in General Computer knowledge as you think. Don't mistake Windows Proficiency as being computer literate.
This isn't a knock against you. I'm sure you're pretty good on Windows and at least starting to find the limits of Windows. Your experience is more a reality check. What do want to do, learn more or be able to use without learning anything?
If you want to learn more, then you've got to push the limits and do for yourself. If you just want to be a user, stay where you're familliar and comforable.
either way, the doors open when you're ready come on in
The use of "personalized, encrypted 'blobs,' not usefully readable by anything other than the given TiVo" would be a problem. After the TiVo dies, you'd be left with nGB of unusable data. Then be running around waiting for someone to rebroadcast whatever you could no longer access.
Of course this would make the networks, MPAA and others happy, since then you'd have get a new TiVO to record all the shows all over again and have to keep doing it every time a new TiVo was needed.
The i-opener folks used a wrong sales model. Undercutting their costs to make up the difference
in the profits form teh service.
That model works in some situations, like cell phones, but not all, like free PCs.
The better model for both the tivo and i-opener would be to at least cover the cost of the hardware and other expenses. Then split the profit margin between the hardware and the service so they can survive. This way they can release the hardware, and if people hack it they are still making money. This gives them some long term viability.
Now they can develop a community around the hardware and service. They have the oppertunity to really get to see what the customers want from their services and they might even be able to include the hacks into future models, if they played their cards right. the community gets better products and the company can expand their market.
It used to be, and still is in some places, that if you wanted to recieve local programmng on your dish system, you needed a second dish that was oriented towards a completely different satilite.
This has begun to change now that the satilite systems can provide local broadcasts. THey haven't gotten tl all markets yet though.
The electoral college is a like middleware between the popular vote and the actual election of the presidential office.
Every state gets a number of electoral votes equal to the number of seats in the house of Representatives that they have, plus 2 for the senators. (seats in the House are detemined by population, every State gets 2 seats in the senate regardless of population), Washington DC also gets 3 Electoral votes.
The States have the power to detemine who the Electoral College members are.
a quote from Section 1 of Articel 2 of the US Constitution:
"The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then
from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in
choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state
having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President."
So, the State Electoral College members can actually vote for anyone they wish, in any numbers that they wish. Not a winner take all proposition as is usually assumed.
The States send the results to the Congress that tallies the results. If there is no clear winner, the House of Representatives then takes it's own vote, repeating this until a decision is reached.
To give you some idea; I have heard, some of the original signers of the constitution expected this full process to be followed 19 out of 20 elections.
I'm not counting this over until the Electoral College vote.
Although we normally say it's winner take all in EC votes for the person who wins the popular vote in a state, this isn't true. In about 25 states there is no legal requirment for this, it's more a tradition.
The big question is, is Florida one of the states that all the electoral vote aren't required to go to the winner? Is it possible the EC votes in Florida can be split between Busch and Gore? and if so how?
The difference in other states could lead to similar situations, what difference can this make?
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Ahh the state of the Internet. This has less to do with the script kiddies then with how corporate the internet has gotten.
First off, there will always be script kiddies. They'll have different names, different code, different reasons or ideals, but the effect is the same. They cause problems, disrupt services, whatever. They've been around a long time and will continue to be.
What happened to the hackers, the console cowboys, who knew the models, the specs, and RFC's by heart (some because they wrote them). The folks that would start playing around with the network layer and lower to figure out ways to stop the problem, maybe track the culprit down and give him or her something to play with.
Are most of the people out there little more then an auto mechanic for a computer? They know the languange the program in, the applications or code that the work with, the OS they use and can tweak it, tune it and basically extended it a bit, but they can't make any jumps of insight?
Wait...is this what a script kiddie becomes when they grow up?
Have the folks that wrote the RFC's and specs, those who started this whole business moved on? You know the admins and coders who had problems and wrote talkd, email, ircd or even httpd?
Don't ask the government to solve the problem. Don't wait for an ISP to do.
The govenrment doesn't have a clue and probably wouldn't have a solution you'd like. The ISP is out to make money, that's what they do, it's easier for them to disconnect then to for a solution and costs them less money.
"Neccessity is the mother of invention."
It should be the hackers motto.
hmmm...
"Applet TIC can't init: NEW"
*walks over to Jabber server*
"I want things that I need to know about to jump out at me - I don't want to dig through unfamiliar directories via the command prompt. I want a folder called "Control Panels." Maybe I'm just choosing the wrong distros or something."
" one of the main reasons I wanted linux instead of Windows was so I could tinker with more of the guts"
I'm still trying to figure out how the person that wrote the first 2 paragraphs also wrote the 3rd.
Knowing where the config files are is getting to know the guts. Learning how to find them is a skill everyone should have. If you don't want this , you probably aren't really that interested.
If you can't answer some of those questions, you probably aren't as knowedgable in General Computer knowledge as you think. Don't mistake Windows Proficiency as being computer literate.
This isn't a knock against you. I'm sure you're pretty good on Windows and at least starting to find the limits of Windows. Your experience is more a reality check. What do want to do, learn more or be able to use without learning anything? If you want to learn more, then you've got to push the limits and do for yourself. If you just want to be a user, stay where you're familliar and comforable.
either way, the doors open when you're ready come on in
Of course this would make the networks, MPAA and others happy, since then you'd have get a new TiVO to record all the shows all over again and have to keep doing it every time a new TiVo was needed.
That model works in some situations, like cell phones, but not all, like free PCs.
The better model for both the tivo and i-opener would be to at least cover the cost of the hardware and other expenses. Then split the profit margin between the hardware and the service so they can survive. This way they can release the hardware, and if people hack it they are still making money. This gives them some long term viability.
Now they can develop a community around the hardware and service. They have the oppertunity to really get to see what the customers want from their services and they might even be able to include the hacks into future models, if they played their cards right. the community gets better products and the company can expand their market.
Sorta a community based product.
This has begun to change now that the satilite systems can provide local broadcasts. THey haven't gotten tl all markets yet though.
Maybe they should hire some Folks that know how to do this. Some web designers from pets.com maybe?
Then we start working towards internet voting from a completely different direction.
see:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constituti on.articleii.html#section1
if you read the the XXII Amendment you can see that the run off process could run past March 4th of 2001.
wheeee...
Every state gets a number of electoral votes equal to the number of seats in the house of Representatives that they have, plus 2 for the senators. (seats in the House are detemined by population, every State gets 2 seats in the senate regardless of population), Washington DC also gets 3 Electoral votes.
The States have the power to detemine who the Electoral College members are.
a quote from Section 1 of Articel 2 of the US Constitution:
So, the State Electoral College members can actually vote for anyone they wish, in any numbers that they wish. Not a winner take all proposition as is usually assumed.
The States send the results to the Congress that tallies the results. If there is no clear winner, the House of Representatives then takes it's own vote, repeating this until a decision is reached.
To give you some idea; I have heard, some of the original signers of the constitution expected this full process to be followed 19 out of 20 elections.
I'm not counting this over until the Electoral College vote.
Although we normally say it's winner take all in EC votes for the person who wins the popular vote in a state, this isn't true. In about 25 states there is no legal requirment for this, it's more a tradition.
The big question is, is Florida one of the states that all the electoral vote aren't required to go to the winner? Is it possible the EC votes in Florida can be split between Busch and Gore? and if so how?
The difference in other states could lead to similar situations, what difference can this make?
Look at the version v1.25 was the last one to appear in RPM format. They are up to v2.2.x now.
.forward in the user account?!?
one simple way.
:)