Also, Presidents shouldn't be judged by how the economy did. They have very little control over the economy.
I disagree. This President sent us to wars in two countries, which has lead to oil prices rising steeply. Every time his approval rating has sagged, he's started crying "Look! Terrorists! Get out your duct tape and plastic!" Rather than giving a big tax cut to the middle class, who would turn right around and spend the money, boosting the economy, he's given one to the people who are least likely to buy retail goods and services. As you mention, the deficit spending is horrific. He's robbed Social Security. He's crippled Medicare. Rather than encouraging Congress to take away tax incentives for outsourcing, he and his administration have praised outsourcing.
All of those things affect consumer confidence and that's what drives the economy. It's the Joe Averages deciding whether to have Hamburger Helper or take the family out to Olive Garden. It's the guy deciding to hold on to his old car for another year because he is afraid that he might lose his job. If you want the economy to grow, make people feel safe, secure, and confident. If you want it to struggle, make people feel threatened, insecure, and afraid.
Hahahahaha!!! You can't argue the facts, so you resort to name calling. But, being a Republican, you are not likely to let your opinion be swayed by facts anyway. Seen any Iraqi WMDs yet?
Republicans bragging about economic growth is like the Orkin man bragging about termite population growth.
No I work for an automotive company and am sick to hell of hearing "This is a great idea it would {insert save on gas milage/cut pollution/save lives}, but we can't do it because of Congressional regulations"
Please, give us some examples. What are some of the ways that you could make cars more fuel-efficient, cut pollution, and save lives that are prohibited by Congress?
No, Republican leadership has spent four years mopping up after a Democrat.
When Bill Clinton took office, unemployment nationally stood at 7.3 percent, and when he left, the rate had dropped to 4.0 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Index was at 3754 at the end of Clinton's first year in office, and had climbed to 10,787 by the end of 2000. The NASDAQ rose from 777 at the end of 1993 to 2471 at the close of 2000.
The economy is growing at the fastest rate in nearly 20 years, unemployment is DOWN, job creation is UP, the stock market is still over 10,000.. not at ALL the economy Bush inherited in 2001.
No, it's not. It's far worse. Stocks are down. Wages are down. Unemployment is up. In Bush's four years in office, we have seen the Dow go from 10,787 to 10,125(now). Over 900,000 jobs have been lost since Bush took office in 2001. Forty percent of those who go on unemployment exhaust their benefits before they can find work and the average time to find a job is 19 weeks. About 21% of those who are unemployed are now classified as "long-term unemployed," meaning that they have been unemployed for more than six months. In fact, Bush is likely to become the first president since the Great Depression to preside over a drop in employment.
The Republicans like to brag about adding jobs, but you need 150,000 additional jobs per month just to keep up with the influx of immigrants into the U.S. So next time you hear Bush bragging about adding 100,000 jobs in a month, think of that as 50,000 more unemployed people.
Then again you wouldn't know any of that, since you, or perhaps maybe just your intellect, are less than four years old.
I just smacked you down in a battle of intellect, so slither back to your hole and lick your wounds.
Careful Freddie: that's libel and slander. Wouldn't want someone to sue you, would you?
I hate to put Johnny on the spot, but corrections are in order: Slander is spoken, not written, and something is not not libel if the person being referred to is not identifiable. Libel definition: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation. Who's reputation did I damage when the person to whom I replied was posting anonymously?
Johnny needs to stick to topics that he understands.
Come to think of it, what about that moderation record you're so proud of?
That's what allows me to occasionally flame people and still keep my +1 karma bonus.
If you drop a booster on my house, I'll sue you into the stone age.
And winning that lawsuit will bring your dead spouse, child, etc. back to life, won't it?
If your 6G rocket kills 90% of its passengers, and my 5G rocket kills 5% of its passengers, people will figure out the risks for themselves, and choose to fly on my rockets rather than yours, at least until you redesign your rocket to be safer than mine.
Ah, capitalism solves everything. So what about all of those dead people? Fuck 'em if they aren't rocket scientists and, thus, didn't understand the risk.
Congress, you govern a very large economy.
But the Republican leadership has spent four years making it smaller.
Can't you leave this little piece of it alone? Surely there must be something left that you can fuck up for lobbyist dollars than space tourism. Is the well of freedom truly that dry that you have to wipe out private space tourism when it's less than 72 hours old?
That's right! Look at how all of those damned regulations have killed the auto industry. They regulate everything: Seat belts, airbags, emissions, bumpers, lighting, brake systems, vehicle width... The list goes on and on. That's why no one drives cars any more.
I was at the XPrize launch, and they made some comments about this. I was only half listening, but the impression I got was that they (Scaled, Xprize, etc) were in favor of this.
What's better for space tourism:
1. Rational regulations designed to protect the safety of passengers and citizens
or 2. a horrific accident resulting in multiple deaths because some greedy corporation compromised safety to increase their profits?
I'm not at all surprised that they are in favor of getting sane regulations passed.
Once again the Government thinks (without any poling of the populice of whom they are supposed to represent) they need to step in and save us from ourselves.
So we are supposed to poll idiots about their ideas of proper regulation of space travel? Many of these potential pollees are the same people who think that "nuk-u-lar" reactors can blow up like atomic bombs, that the government has performed autopsies on extraterrestrials, and that the moon landings were faked. I'd much rather have congressional reps hearing from experts than to have them conduct exit polls at the local tractor pull.
But that "someone" was not you -- or anyone identifiable
, or when you slandered me by claiming that I have a history of "hate speech" (gotta love those liberal weasel-words) against Mormons and Scientologists.
I refer you to this post for an opinion from a third party on what you wrote ("a bunch of hate-filler nonsense").
No, the link I provided was to a thread of discussion, on which many things were said, and on which the consensus of the participants seems to be that H1-B visas should be abolished.
But you stated the my position aligned with theirs, which included the claim that "white people" should get the jobs and that sabotaging the careers of coworkers was acceptable, not that we had some areas of agreement.
Why? (And, for extra credit: why do you keep dodging that question?)
Main answer: Because a primary goal of the U.S. government should be to provide for the economic well-being of U.S. citizens. Thus, the U.S. government should pass legislation that forces, or encourages, hiring of U.S. workers. This has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or religion. It has to do with the standard of living in the U.S.
Extra credit: Because I want to get back to the original focus of our discussion.
News flash! H1-B visa workers do the work here in the USA. They come here and join the middle class.
While they are here temporarily, many of them send a large portion of their earnings back to their families overseas. They also take their learned job skills back with them, too. I was also referring to outsourcing, though I should have made that more clear.
Do yourself a big favor and cut the threats. You're not the only one who knows how to hire a lawyer, and you're on much thinner ice than you realize.
You had your chance. I hope that saving face on Slashdot was worth it to you.
Do I need to point out to you again where you started it?
The first volley between us was one in which you attacked me. Previously, I had written no message to you. Nor has anything I have written since approached the vitriol you have posted about me.
Oh, and let me just ask you, since you purport to be a liberal: don't you find it disturbing that your position on H1-B visas aligns with the position held by these people?
The link you provided was a posting in which some white supremicist wrote:
"I can tell you that there are plenty of WHITE Tech professionals like myself who are FED UP with the H1-B nightmare created by Clinton. Many of us secretly plot amongst ourselves to come up with ways to undermine our H1-B coworkers so they'll be fired and sent home."
I have never said, implied, or thought that white people should get first crack at U.S. jobs. I said that U.S. citizens should get preferential hiring for U.S. jobs at U.S. firms. I don't care if they are black, white, Asian, Hindu, Jew, Christian, atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. I just want to see the money stay in the U.S. economy and not see the erosion of the middle class. Nor have I ever sought to do something so despicable as to "undermine" H1-B workers in order to get them fired. Your suggestion that my position "aligns" with that is just more defamation.
Do yourself a very big favor and cut the libel. Don't screw yourself over in order to look like a big man on Slashdot. It's not worth it. Recognize when someone (who really shouldn't) is cutting you a break.
P.S. I am amazed that you would still try to link me with neo-Nazis after reading what I posted on Usenet to the Nazi memorabilia collector. But that didn't fit in with your attacks, so I guess that I should not be surprised that no acknowledgment was forthcoming.
Libelous, defamatory remarks? MOI? I simply posted a link to your indefensible screed about H1-B visas, and stated my opinion thereof.
Let's see, you've called me an "idiot", "moron", "jackass", "adolf" (as in "Adolf Hitler"), "racist pig" (despite my having said nothing against any race), and a "pig-ignorant, racist xenophobe" (linked to my Slashdot profile). You've likened me to former KKK Grand Dragon David Duke and said that "Matt Giwer [who denies that the Nazi Germany holocaust happened] is [my] long-lost twin"
But, maybe you are right and that's not libelous or defamatory. I could print the entire thread, with times and dates, and mail it to your corporation's legal department for their opinion. They are legal experts and we are not.
John, if I call your office again, it will not be to speak with you, so you need not worry about that. Should you wish to pursue your threat to get a restraining order, there are various web sites for battered women which cover the topic in detail.
Sure, John. Under your pillow, you've got Saddam's diary but you choose not to share it:
January 17, 2002: Dear Diary, I was hoping to go out in the boat today, but Uday and Qusay have not returned my calls. I was going to have one of them kill someone, but now I have to cancel my boat trip so that I see to it that
someone is murdered today. Sure, I had 4,000 people put into the mass grave yesterday, but I have to kill someone today or my 11+ year streak will be broken...
Calling me at work was definitely out of line, and any repetition of such behavior will be answered with legal action.
What was out of line was your posting of libelous, defamatory remarks in this public forum -- apparently using your employer's computers and networks. My attempt to settle this in a civil manner with a phone call is hardly grounds for "legal action," but you do what you feel appropriate. If you elect to go that route, you may wish to make your employer aware so that none of this catches them off-guard.
...concealment of your prejudice...you and Duke are both xenophobic cretins.
John, that is yet more libel and slander and I'm tired of it. If it continues, I will ask your employer to take appropriate steps to prevent you from making such postings using their networks or computers. I am confident that their counsel will recognize the corporation's legal exposure and do whatever is necessary to minimize the risk. Please do not make that escalation necessary.
Note that I have been discreet in this message. I recommend that you bear that in mind should you choose to reply.
and tap dance around the fact that you demand the abolition of the H1-B visa program
I didn't tap dance around anything. I demanded that it be abolished in no uncertain terms.
just like David Duke.
If I can get David Duke to come out against suicide, would you kill yourself?
Let's take that "logic" even further: I think that there should be affordable cars so that people of moderate income can own cars. That's what Hitler said in creating Volkswagen. Therefore, I must be another Adolph Hitler. Yeah. That's sound reasoning.
You're not the first pig-ignorant, racist xenophobe who's called me a liar, so I'm not exactly stinging from your rebuke.
Your attempts to stir-up anti-Semitism are failing. I despise you for your lack of ethics and your reprehensible behavior -- not because of your ethnicity. You only announced that you were Jewish in the middle of the discussion because you'd rather play the 'I'm-an-oppressed-Jew' card than debate like a man. You've been called a liar because you are one.
You were given many links to the evidence here.
Liar. That message was a response to VoiceOfRaisin (554019), not me, and you know it.
Those links show that Saddam killed and tortured tens, or even hundreds, of thousands of people, something that I've never disputed. But they do not show that he was responsible for killings on a daily basis. Quite the contrary. They show that he killed huge numbers of people at a time, thus explaining the mass graves. Mass graves are used for mass executions, not for daily burials.
That you choose to ignore them, speaks volumes about your lack of character.
What speaks volumes about your character (or lack thereof) is your willingness to lie and to dilute legitimate claims of anti-Semitism by others just to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
You're calling for the complete abolition of the H1-B visa program. If that's not xenophobic hostility, then Jesse Helms is a flower child.
It's neither xenophobic (nor "racist") nor hostile. It's a recognition that the U.S. economy cannot afford to hemorrhage jobs. We cannot allow middle class wages to be driven down with no bottom in sight. We cannot continue to take money out of the hands of U.S. consumers (who lose their jobs to outsourcing) so that the top 1% of income earners can increase their wealth. My arguments are based on economics, not race or ethnicity.
I'll grant that you were careful in your wording
I was only "careful" in the sense that I tried to express my position clearly and accurately. There was no hidden meaning or carefully omitted words, phrases, or thoughts, despite your claims to the contrary.
Sorry, no matter how fervently you wish it to be so, you're wrong.
No, you are a pathological liar and a troll.
I will take your failure to provide sources to support your claims as an admission that the claims were unfounded and without credibility.
It's so much fun to watch people like you get your knickers in a wad when others refuse to comply with your irrational demands.
It's hardly irrational in a debate to ask for someone to provide evidence to back up their assertions. That you can provide none speaks volumes about your honesty -- or lack thereof.
I read your rant about H1-B visas, and you are a racist pig.
Let's take a quote from that rant:
"I am not advocating hostility towards foreign citizens who are just trying to earn a good living. If I were in their position, I would probably do the same thing. What I am against is our government siding with big business by giving desirable jobs away to non-U.S. citizens."
That shows just how full of shit you are. No where in the entire rant did did I mention any race. I did not use any racial slurs. I did not even mention specific countries to which U.S. companies are outsourcing.
What I find hard to fathom is what you think you'll win if you can produce evidence that there was a single day on which there was no new blood on Saddam's hands.
It's not my job to disprove your assertions. It's your job to prove them or, at the least, cite sources to back up your assertions when challenged.
If it happened, it would be an interesting statistical anomaly, but it would make you no less of a holocaust denier.
When did I deny it? I already said he was a genocidal mass murderer. Does that sound like a denial to you?
What, you don't think Jews can see through your bullshit?
You really need to stop playing the Jewish victim. The reason that people hate you is your reprehensible behavior, not your ethicity or religion.
Here's a reply that I posted in 1994 in the dc.forsale newsgroup:
LS> Collector looking for WWII German Helmets in any condition and
LS> other WWII German items. Please E-mail me with a description and LS> your asking price. I'm interested to hear from all parties. LS> LS> LSSAH@aol.com.
Why limit yourself to Nazi paraphenalia? You could branch out and start collecting serial killer memorabilia. Imagine owning the actual bloody shirt worn by Jeff Dahmer as he ate his first human heart! Maybe you could get one of the knives used by Charles Manson at the Sharon Tate massacre! Let us not overlook drive-by shootings. Perhaps you could get actual shell casings from bullets that killed women and children in these drive-bys.
Actually, what I'd suggest doing is spending your money on something you really need: counseling. In Germany, it's not even legal to do trade in Nazi items - they recognize that the Nazi period is one to be ashamed of, not to be memorialized. Your insensitivity towards people who may have lost loved ones to Hitler's Nazi forces is appalling.
He did not "vote for the war." He voted to give the President authority to take us to war, probably with the hope that Bush would use that as leverage to force Saddam to cooperate with the inspections.
University.. You mean that place where professors that didn't know anything outside of campus life tried to brainwash me with liberal and communist ideals?
Brainwashing you would be like trying to perform a hysterectomy on a worm.
Professors are liberal because they are informed, educated, and intelligent. The lack of those three qualities is precisely why you are not liberal.
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Also, Presidents shouldn't be judged by how the economy did. They have very little control over the economy.
I disagree. This President sent us to wars in two countries, which has lead to oil prices rising steeply. Every time his approval rating has sagged, he's started crying "Look! Terrorists! Get out your duct tape and plastic!" Rather than giving a big tax cut to the middle class, who would turn right around and spend the money, boosting the economy, he's given one to the people who are least likely to buy retail goods and services. As you mention, the deficit spending is horrific. He's robbed Social Security. He's crippled Medicare. Rather than encouraging Congress to take away tax incentives for outsourcing, he and his administration have praised outsourcing.
All of those things affect consumer confidence and that's what drives the economy. It's the Joe Averages deciding whether to have Hamburger Helper or take the family out to Olive Garden. It's the guy deciding to hold on to his old car for another year because he is afraid that he might lose his job. If you want the economy to grow, make people feel safe, secure, and confident. If you want it to struggle, make people feel threatened, insecure, and afraid.
Score:-1, Liberal Idiot
Hahahahaha!!! You can't argue the facts, so you resort to name calling. But, being a Republican, you are not likely to let your opinion be swayed by facts anyway. Seen any Iraqi WMDs yet?
Republicans bragging about economic growth is like the Orkin man bragging about termite population growth.
No I work for an automotive company and am sick to hell of hearing "This is a great idea it would {insert save on gas milage/cut pollution/save lives}, but we can't do it because of Congressional regulations"
Please, give us some examples. What are some of the ways that you could make cars more fuel-efficient, cut pollution, and save lives that are prohibited by Congress?
No, Republican leadership has spent four years mopping up after a Democrat.
.. not at ALL the economy Bush inherited in 2001.
When Bill Clinton took office, unemployment nationally stood at 7.3 percent, and when he left, the rate had dropped to 4.0 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Index was at 3754 at the end of Clinton's first year in office, and had climbed to 10,787 by the end of 2000. The NASDAQ rose from 777 at the end of 1993 to 2471 at the close of 2000.
The economy is growing at the fastest rate in nearly 20 years, unemployment is DOWN, job creation is UP, the stock market is still over 10,000
No, it's not. It's far worse. Stocks are down. Wages are down. Unemployment is up. In Bush's four years in office, we have seen the Dow go from 10,787 to 10,125(now). Over 900,000 jobs have been lost since Bush took office in 2001. Forty percent of those who go on unemployment exhaust their benefits before they can find work and the average time to find a job is 19 weeks. About 21% of those who are unemployed are now classified as "long-term unemployed," meaning that they have been unemployed for more than six months. In fact, Bush is likely to become the first president since the Great Depression to preside over a drop in employment.
The Republicans like to brag about adding jobs, but you need 150,000 additional jobs per month just to keep up with the influx of immigrants into the U.S. So next time you hear Bush bragging about adding 100,000 jobs in a month, think of that as 50,000 more unemployed people.
Then again you wouldn't know any of that, since you, or perhaps maybe just your intellect, are less than four years old.
I just smacked you down in a battle of intellect, so slither back to your hole and lick your wounds.
Careful Freddie: that's libel and slander. Wouldn't want someone to sue you, would you?
I hate to put Johnny on the spot, but corrections are in order: Slander is spoken, not written, and something is not not libel if the person being referred to is not identifiable. Libel definition: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation. Who's reputation did I damage when the person to whom I replied was posting anonymously?
Johnny needs to stick to topics that he understands.
Come to think of it, what about that moderation record you're so proud of?
That's what allows me to occasionally flame people and still keep my +1 karma bonus.
Ok, now explain why he supported the war after it started and up until it major combat "ended"?
Probably because he did not want to give comfort to the enemy while demoralizing our troops.
If you drop a booster on my house, I'll sue you into the stone age.
And winning that lawsuit will bring your dead spouse, child, etc. back to life, won't it?
If your 6G rocket kills 90% of its passengers, and my 5G rocket kills 5% of its passengers, people will figure out the risks for themselves, and choose to fly on my rockets rather than yours, at least until you redesign your rocket to be safer than mine.
Ah, capitalism solves everything. So what about all of those dead people? Fuck 'em if they aren't rocket scientists and, thus, didn't understand the risk.
Congress, you govern a very large economy.
But the Republican leadership has spent four years making it smaller.
Can't you leave this little piece of it alone? Surely there must be something left that you can fuck up for lobbyist dollars than space tourism. Is the well of freedom truly that dry that you have to wipe out private space tourism when it's less than 72 hours old?
That's right! Look at how all of those damned regulations have killed the auto industry. They regulate everything: Seat belts, airbags, emissions, bumpers, lighting, brake systems, vehicle width... The list goes on and on. That's why no one drives cars any more.
I was at the XPrize launch, and they made some comments about this. I was only half listening, but the impression I got was that they (Scaled, Xprize, etc) were in favor of this.
What's better for space tourism:
1. Rational regulations designed to protect the safety of passengers and citizens
or
2. a horrific accident resulting in multiple deaths because some greedy corporation compromised safety to increase their profits?
I'm not at all surprised that they are in favor of getting sane regulations passed.
Once again the Government thinks (without any poling of the populice of whom they are supposed to represent) they need to step in and save us from ourselves.
So we are supposed to poll idiots about their ideas of proper regulation of space travel? Many of these potential pollees are the same people who think that "nuk-u-lar" reactors can blow up like atomic bombs, that the government has performed autopsies on extraterrestrials, and that the moon landings were faked. I'd much rather have congressional reps hearing from experts than to have them conduct exit polls at the local tractor pull.
America is running out of people with morals and values.
And this has what exactly to do with Mr. Bush?
It means that we're running out of Kerry voters.
Oh, please! You called someone an idiot,
But that "someone" was not you -- or anyone identifiable
, or when you slandered me by claiming that I have a history of "hate speech" (gotta love those liberal weasel-words) against Mormons and Scientologists.
I refer you to this post for an opinion from a third party on what you wrote ("a bunch of hate-filler nonsense").
No, the link I provided was to a thread of discussion, on which many things were said, and on which the consensus of the participants seems to be that H1-B visas should be abolished.
But you stated the my position aligned with theirs, which included the claim that "white people" should get the jobs and that sabotaging the careers of coworkers was acceptable, not that we had some areas of agreement.
Why? (And, for extra credit: why do you keep dodging that question?)
Main answer: Because a primary goal of the U.S. government should be to provide for the economic well-being of U.S. citizens. Thus, the U.S. government should pass legislation that forces, or encourages, hiring of U.S. workers. This has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or religion. It has to do with the standard of living in the U.S.
Extra credit: Because I want to get back to the original focus of our discussion.
News flash! H1-B visa workers do the work here in the USA. They come here and join the middle class.
While they are here temporarily, many of them send a large portion of their earnings back to their families overseas. They also take their learned job skills back with them, too. I was also referring to outsourcing, though I should have made that more clear.
Do yourself a big favor and cut the threats. You're not the only one who knows how to hire a lawyer, and you're on much thinner ice than you realize.
You had your chance. I hope that saving face on Slashdot was worth it to you.
The first volley between us was one in which you attacked me. Previously, I had written no message to you. Nor has anything I have written since approached the vitriol you have posted about me.
Oh, and let me just ask you, since you purport to be a liberal: don't you find it disturbing that your position on H1-B visas aligns with the position held by these people?
The link you provided was a posting in which some white supremicist wrote:
I have never said, implied, or thought that white people should get first crack at U.S. jobs. I said that U.S. citizens should get preferential hiring for U.S. jobs at U.S. firms. I don't care if they are black, white, Asian, Hindu, Jew, Christian, atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. I just want to see the money stay in the U.S. economy and not see the erosion of the middle class. Nor have I ever sought to do something so despicable as to "undermine" H1-B workers in order to get them fired. Your suggestion that my position "aligns" with that is just more defamation.
Do yourself a very big favor and cut the libel. Don't screw yourself over in order to look like a big man on Slashdot. It's not worth it. Recognize when someone (who really shouldn't) is cutting you a break.
P.S. I am amazed that you would still try to link me with neo-Nazis after reading what I posted on Usenet to the Nazi memorabilia collector. But that didn't fit in with your attacks, so I guess that I should not be surprised that no acknowledgment was forthcoming.
Libelous, defamatory remarks? MOI? I simply posted a link to your indefensible screed about H1-B visas, and stated my opinion thereof.
Let's see, you've called me an "idiot", "moron", "jackass", "adolf" (as in "Adolf Hitler"), "racist pig" (despite my having said nothing against any race), and a "pig-ignorant, racist xenophobe" (linked to my Slashdot profile). You've likened me to former KKK Grand Dragon David Duke and said that "Matt Giwer [who denies that the Nazi Germany holocaust happened] is [my] long-lost twin"
But, maybe you are right and that's not libelous or defamatory. I could print the entire thread, with times and dates, and mail it to your corporation's legal department for their opinion. They are legal experts and we are not.
Does the phrase " You may speak for your fellow idiots" ring a bell?
Yes. I wrote that to an anonymous poster, not you.
John, if I call your office again, it will not be to speak with you, so you need not worry about that. Should you wish to pursue your threat to get a restraining order, there are various web sites for battered women which cover the topic in detail.
Sure, John. Under your pillow, you've got Saddam's diary but you choose not to share it: Calling me at work was definitely out of line, and any repetition of such behavior will be answered with legal action.
What was out of line was your posting of libelous, defamatory remarks in this public forum -- apparently using your employer's computers and networks. My attempt to settle this in a civil manner with a phone call is hardly grounds for "legal action," but you do what you feel appropriate. If you elect to go that route, you may wish to make your employer aware so that none of this catches them off-guard.
...concealment of your prejudice...you and Duke are both xenophobic cretins.
John, that is yet more libel and slander and I'm tired of it. If it continues, I will ask your employer to take appropriate steps to prevent you from making such postings using their networks or computers. I am confident that their counsel will recognize the corporation's legal exposure and do whatever is necessary to minimize the risk. Please do not make that escalation necessary.
Note that I have been discreet in this message. I recommend that you bear that in mind should you choose to reply.
and tap dance around the fact that you demand the abolition of the H1-B visa program
I didn't tap dance around anything. I demanded that it be abolished in no uncertain terms.
just like David Duke.
If I can get David Duke to come out against suicide, would you kill yourself?
Let's take that "logic" even further: I think that there should be affordable cars so that people of moderate income can own cars. That's what Hitler said in creating Volkswagen. Therefore, I must be another Adolph Hitler. Yeah. That's sound reasoning.
You're not the first pig-ignorant, racist xenophobe who's called me a liar, so I'm not exactly stinging from your rebuke.
Your attempts to stir-up anti-Semitism are failing. I despise you for your lack of ethics and your reprehensible behavior -- not because of your ethnicity. You only announced that you were Jewish in the middle of the discussion because you'd rather play the 'I'm-an-oppressed-Jew' card than debate like a man. You've been called a liar because you are one.
You were given many links to the evidence here.
Liar. That message was a response to VoiceOfRaisin (554019), not me, and you know it.
Those links show that Saddam killed and tortured tens, or even hundreds, of thousands of people, something that I've never disputed. But they do not show that he was responsible for killings on a daily basis. Quite the contrary. They show that he killed huge numbers of people at a time, thus explaining the mass graves. Mass graves are used for mass executions, not for daily burials.
That you choose to ignore them, speaks volumes about your lack of character.
What speaks volumes about your character (or lack thereof) is your willingness to lie and to dilute legitimate claims of anti-Semitism by others just to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
You're calling for the complete abolition of the H1-B visa program. If that's not xenophobic hostility, then Jesse Helms is a flower child.
It's neither xenophobic (nor "racist") nor hostile. It's a recognition that the U.S. economy cannot afford to hemorrhage jobs. We cannot allow middle class wages to be driven down with no bottom in sight. We cannot continue to take money out of the hands of U.S. consumers (who lose their jobs to outsourcing) so that the top 1% of income earners can increase their wealth. My arguments are based on economics, not race or ethnicity.
I'll grant that you were careful in your wording
I was only "careful" in the sense that I tried to express my position clearly and accurately. There was no hidden meaning or carefully omitted words, phrases, or thoughts, despite your claims to the contrary.
Sorry, no matter how fervently you wish it to be so, you're wrong.
No, you are a pathological liar and a troll.
I will take your failure to provide sources to support your claims as an admission that the claims were unfounded and without credibility.
It's so much fun to watch people like you get your knickers in a wad when others refuse to comply with your irrational demands.
It's hardly irrational in a debate to ask for someone to provide evidence to back up their assertions. That you can provide none speaks volumes about your honesty -- or lack thereof.
Let's take a quote from that rant:That shows just how full of shit you are. No where in the entire rant did did I mention any race. I did not use any racial slurs. I did not even mention specific countries to which U.S. companies are outsourcing.
It's not my job to disprove your assertions. It's your job to prove them or, at the least, cite sources to back up your assertions when challenged.
If it happened, it would be an interesting statistical anomaly, but it would make you no less of a holocaust denier.
When did I deny it? I already said he was a genocidal mass murderer. Does that sound like a denial to you?
What, you don't think Jews can see through your bullshit?
You really need to stop playing the Jewish victim. The reason that people hate you is your reprehensible behavior, not your ethicity or religion.
Here's a reply that I posted in 1994 in the dc.forsale newsgroup:Feel free to apologize at your convenience.
Then why did Kerry note only vote for the war
He did not "vote for the war." He voted to give the President authority to take us to war, probably with the hope that Bush would use that as leverage to force Saddam to cooperate with the inspections.
University.. You mean that place where professors that didn't know anything outside of campus life tried to brainwash me with liberal and communist ideals?
Brainwashing you would be like trying to perform a hysterectomy on a worm.
Professors are liberal because they are informed, educated, and intelligent. The lack of those three qualities is precisely why you are not liberal.