Kalamazoo has the highest per-capita suicide rate in the entire world.
Oddly enough, my father retired from that GM plant, which he worked for 30 years after working for Simpson for 3 years. Maybe he knows your father? lol
I miss a few of the people that I left behind in Kalamazoo, but it's a sucking hole of pure apathy.
Well, having lived in Battle Creek, Jackson, Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids, Mt. Pleasant, and finally Metro Detroit, anywhere from 1 month to several years, I can tell you the roads suck everywhere in Michigan. They -really- suck in Detroit. We do have electricity everywhere but downtown Detroit though. And the semi-literate work force is an issue everywhere - the Engler administration has killed the budget for schools, and our literacy rate is horrible.
well, that certainly sounds good, considering i'm driving an hour a day every day to/from work on a suspended license because i can't get enough time off work during court hours to actually get my friggin license reinstated, thanks to a large mass of parking tickets that my dad told me he paid 8 years ago.
CyberCourt ? Someone care toe xplain to me just what the hell Engler's thinking now?
Kalamazoo may have electricity whereas California isn't guaranteed to.. but KZoo isn't exactly the best place to put business! Though you can find an awful lot of cheap rent in the places slated "future destruction parking lot space - maybe", there's not much around.
Well, apparently you guys didn't think that it was all that interesting, but I for one, thought that the unique camera angles were great. Especially the downfield view. The camera operators, I thought for the most part, at least in the first half that I watched of NY/NJ vs LV, did a great job of following the ball around from that downfield view. Also the camera hovering above the field had a pretty unique perspective. And I did rather enjoy the fact that live audio was on all cameras all the time. What did bother me was that as soon as the refs started talking, is when they voiced over from the announcers and cut to commercials. If yer gonna have commercials, call more time outs, or make the clock stop more often. heheh
The football played wasn't ---THAT--- bad, come on. I don't know how many of you saw the NY/NJ game instead of the Chicago game, but NY/NJ had a pretty darn good running game, until they got close to the end zone.
I'm not even a football fan, and I kinda enjoyed watching the thing. I do realise that they are taking something they've learned from the WWF - Performance, and putting ritz and glitz behind it - but i thought it worked rather well. It may not be the most intelligent form of entertainment, but given the choice between XFL and WWF, I think I'll take XFL. And we all know that WWF is probably the least intelligent form of entertainment on TV today.
Personally I find it if nothing else a reminder of just how much time has passed since then - how little i've thought of this event since then.. how it really doesn't seem to be all that formative of a moment, honestly. Although I was certainyl expecting/. to come at it with some better discussion than this. Was hoping maybe to see some things from a new perspective.
Honestly, for most of us, the answer is the same.. "Where were you when the Challeneger was lost?" "3rd grade", "4th grade"..
Is it any better or worse that this space shuttle was sent up with a full crew of astronauts, or with a crew of astronauts and one civilian? I don't really consider someone's profession a matter of how to rate a tragedy. Police officers, astronauts, sea captains, heads of state, presidents.. all the same. They are all -people- and their tragedies should not be weighted in different places because of their "status" in society. BLAH!
The fact that our country, government, space program, whatever branch you might want to blame, sent 7 people up in a rocket that summarily exploded is just plain bad. But, flight is dangerous. Space travel is more dangerous. Considering what happened within our atmosphere, I'd really hate to think about what might've happened had this rocket actually made it into outer space. *shudder*
I never really had the goal in life to be an astronaut - by this time I was already a Geek. But I do recall thinking at the time "OK.. so what effect does this really have on me? Yes, there are these people that are hurting out there, the families and so on... but this really doesn't have any effect on me."
Maybe I'm calloused from life. Maybe I'm insensitive. I don't know - but although there's a lot to be learned and discussed, the event itself didn't do a whole hell of a lot for me. I'd like to see a lot more interesting discussion on this topic than what -is- here, though
Btw, to the person who posted this story.. come on.. get a little more into the story!
Your sig says that we are a compilation of about ~640MB of genetic code.. does that mean that you could fit all of me on an 80M CD-R with a little bit of compression? Hmm.. The possibilities are perplexing.
i think when you get the box they inform you that this is not standard issue equipment. Of course, on the other hand, we may not have the latest innovations since we don't change our line very often right in the middle of the holiday season. Hmm. *shrug* thanks for the info though.
(why posting that anonymously??)
Of course they aren't going to magically restrict the entire operation to microsoft hardware. They really don't care what you do with it. But, the USB box is not available to the standard user right now, as far as I know. Remember, tech support for a system like this is a nightmare. And I for one, will be more than happy as a retailer for this (RS.. duh) to provide it to anyone who wants the stuff. But, at this point, all we have access to are Compq 5WV232's with seperate In/Outbound satellite cards. These aren't going to run under Linux, not unless someone gets real creative about driver authoring. That's just the way it is.
When we get the ability to use the USB devices, which are still testing mind you, I'd love to see someone write the USB driver for Linux and for any other thing on earth to take advantage of it. Feel free. Me, I'm not a developer in this day and age, with my skillz only being towards serial communications, which just doesn't seem very applicable anymore.
Starband doesn't really care what OS you run, once the system is up and running. They really don't. But they do care about providing a system that -works- works -right- and has been thoroughly -tested- before unleashing it onto a mass of teeming consumers.
How exactly is it that a buffer overflow can allow you to execute arbitrary commands? Overflowing a buffer usually throws you somewhere into unalloc'd memory, which then under windows gives you protection errors, and under most other systems gives you a SEGV. What's up?
I guess I just don't get it.
I think the whole point of this, though I haven't been to the website, since it's/.'d, is to show that a kernel is not a complete system. We all know this, but it doesn't really sink in, until someone strips away all the Unixisms. Someone could build OS/2 atop the Linux kernel, someone could build EXPLORER.EXE atop the Linux kernel, someone could do anything they wanted, using Linux -- not using Unix. Obviously, there are Unixisms in the kernel, but these Unix metaphors are not necessary. This might be the type of development that a lot of people could get into - people who want to develop systems.. but don't / can't start all the way back at square 1. Given a rock solid, proven foundation to work with, you can just get up and start coding something.
Just wanted to let you guys know that over at RadioShack you can order Atari 2600 games. I ordered one once, and it came brand new, still shrinkwrapped. The full catalog isn't out there, but a lot of them are.
Have you also ever noticed that JonKatz's articles tend to create the most discussion, intelligent -and- flamebait such as yours, because of the way he writes? The man is -not- feeding bullshit, you just have a problem comprehending simple english words.
hmm. Now I understand why everyone not in the midwest talks trash about RS. Gilat has been called starband since before it became available, and has nothing to do with @Home. And if you go through our press releases (this was announced like -everywhere-) we're working with @Home to provide cable modems across the US. But so far it's just testing on the east coast.
yeah, I know exactly what you mean there, BN. I've got 5 100MBps lines and 1 10Mbps line connected via a 33.6 also. Fortunatly only two computers are ever in use at a time.:)
Actually, Perl, the satellite is -way- slow to get you started. The latency (ping time) is a MINIMUM 450ms, and it's usually worse. But you're absolutely right, after the connection gets hooked, it's awesome. CyberPatrol does add some overhead to that.. but it sure beats having a public kiosk with full open access. *laugh*
Hey, I've done some quick researching into this deal. Here's the deal. If you buy a cable modem in the areas where this is opened (this is just happening in a few test markets), right now, they are giving you a $100 gift certificate. Therefore, they use this $100 gift certificate to buy the stuff you purchased for $100. Effectively, as you all sum it up, a free cable modem for purchasing $100.
It apparently does -NOT- require that you sign up for the service - the modem is effectively useless without having the cable service.
I did this same gig in my market (detroit) with a gift certificate promotion on some older cell phones i needed to get rid of - free phone with 60 minutes prepaid service, all you had to do was spend $50. It's really quite a nice deal.
RadioShack is not all bad. In fact, it's mostly good. Maybe it's because most of you guys aren't in my area, or what not, but I train my people the right way. So:-P
Klowner, we rehashed the Satellite access for about 500 comments worth about 3 weeks ago right here on Slashdot. If you search for the articles that I posted on it, it's got most all the details you could ever want. Click on me and email me if you want to talk specifics.
Hey, that -IS- one example. At least, probably of the brand of canned corn this guy tried with his Cue Cat. It's incredible difficult to sell something to someone (even if it's free) if they can't see a use for it. Actually, come to think of it, I've used mine a few times to avoid having to use a search engine to search for recipes!! It works pretty well for stuff like that.:-)
I do love having the satellite hookup at the store, and having a customer come in and ask about the CueCat, and I ask them if they have anything in their pockets with a barcode on it. Like a pack of cigarettes, or bubblegum, or whatnot. Page loads instantly. Customer's jaw drops, if they've never seen anything faster than 56k.
It's beautiful:)
Well, I'll tell you honestly, this is what has done it. Sheer numbers. The sheer volume of people on the Internet has completely destroyed any community that might happen. The fact that nearly ANYONE can get online, from anywhere, at any time is what's done it.
Having been on the Internet since... 1988... (I'm 24 now, so I started really young) and having been a contributor to at least a few of the things that are out there (I wrote the first DOS-based IRC client, several pieces of code for IRCd, and even patches for Linux 0.98!), I can see this. I hang out in areas with a small number of people, as that's the only place that things work. Certain IRC chat channels (I hang out on dal.net these days), not web-chats. Yahoo! Chat is the lamest piece of trash I've ever seen, as far as the quality of people on average goes.
Memory:
*** Welcome to the Internet Relay Network
*** There are 102 users on 116 servers
In that day and time, I knew nearly every single person that logged in to IRC, day in, day out. Now, 12 almost 13 years later, I can't remember most of these people. I certainly don't know a single name of any single person on slashdot, besides the ones that forcibly stick (like JonKatz), and I highly doubt that most of you out here know anyone on here, unless you knew them outside of slashdot. (Though one of these days I am going to have to find my way up to Holland and meet the creators of this... I used to use some BBS's in Holland, though I can't remember their names!)
Volume. Sheer volume. You put hordes of people into something, and the masses IQ starts decreasing.
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Kalamazoo has the highest per-capita suicide rate in the entire world. Oddly enough, my father retired from that GM plant, which he worked for 30 years after working for Simpson for 3 years. Maybe he knows your father? lol I miss a few of the people that I left behind in Kalamazoo, but it's a sucking hole of pure apathy.
Well, having lived in Battle Creek, Jackson, Kalamazoo, Grand Rapids, Mt. Pleasant, and finally Metro Detroit, anywhere from 1 month to several years, I can tell you the roads suck everywhere in Michigan. They -really- suck in Detroit. We do have electricity everywhere but downtown Detroit though. And the semi-literate work force is an issue everywhere - the Engler administration has killed the budget for schools, and our literacy rate is horrible.
well, that certainly sounds good, considering i'm driving an hour a day every day to/from work on a suspended license because i can't get enough time off work during court hours to actually get my friggin license reinstated, thanks to a large mass of parking tickets that my dad told me he paid 8 years ago.
CyberCourt ? Someone care toe xplain to me just what the hell Engler's thinking now? Kalamazoo may have electricity whereas California isn't guaranteed to.. but KZoo isn't exactly the best place to put business! Though you can find an awful lot of cheap rent in the places slated "future destruction parking lot space - maybe", there's not much around.
Well, apparently you guys didn't think that it was all that interesting, but I for one, thought that the unique camera angles were great. Especially the downfield view. The camera operators, I thought for the most part, at least in the first half that I watched of NY/NJ vs LV, did a great job of following the ball around from that downfield view. Also the camera hovering above the field had a pretty unique perspective. And I did rather enjoy the fact that live audio was on all cameras all the time. What did bother me was that as soon as the refs started talking, is when they voiced over from the announcers and cut to commercials. If yer gonna have commercials, call more time outs, or make the clock stop more often. heheh
The football played wasn't ---THAT--- bad, come on. I don't know how many of you saw the NY/NJ game instead of the Chicago game, but NY/NJ had a pretty darn good running game, until they got close to the end zone.
I'm not even a football fan, and I kinda enjoyed watching the thing. I do realise that they are taking something they've learned from the WWF - Performance, and putting ritz and glitz behind it - but i thought it worked rather well. It may not be the most intelligent form of entertainment, but given the choice between XFL and WWF, I think I'll take XFL. And we all know that WWF is probably the least intelligent form of entertainment on TV today.
Personally I find it if nothing else a reminder of just how much time has passed since then - how little i've thought of this event since then.. how it really doesn't seem to be all that formative of a moment, honestly. Although I was certainyl expecting /. to come at it with some better discussion than this. Was hoping maybe to see some things from a new perspective. ..
Honestly, for most of us, the answer is the same.. "Where were you when the Challeneger was lost?" "3rd grade", "4th grade"
Is it any better or worse that this space shuttle was sent up with a full crew of astronauts, or with a crew of astronauts and one civilian? I don't really consider someone's profession a matter of how to rate a tragedy. Police officers, astronauts, sea captains, heads of state, presidents.. all the same. They are all -people- and their tragedies should not be weighted in different places because of their "status" in society. BLAH!
The fact that our country, government, space program, whatever branch you might want to blame, sent 7 people up in a rocket that summarily exploded is just plain bad. But, flight is dangerous. Space travel is more dangerous. Considering what happened within our atmosphere, I'd really hate to think about what might've happened had this rocket actually made it into outer space. *shudder*
I never really had the goal in life to be an astronaut - by this time I was already a Geek. But I do recall thinking at the time "OK.. so what effect does this really have on me? Yes, there are these people that are hurting out there, the families and so on... but this really doesn't have any effect on me."
Maybe I'm calloused from life. Maybe I'm insensitive. I don't know - but although there's a lot to be learned and discussed, the event itself didn't do a whole hell of a lot for me. I'd like to see a lot more interesting discussion on this topic than what -is- here, though
Btw, to the person who posted this story.. come on.. get a little more into the story!
But.. Taco.. You -are- killing /. . We're dead already! Can't you see it?!?!
Your sig says that we are a compilation of about ~640MB of genetic code.. does that mean that you could fit all of me on an 80M CD-R with a little bit of compression? Hmm.. The possibilities are perplexing.
i think when you get the box they inform you that this is not standard issue equipment. Of course, on the other hand, we may not have the latest innovations since we don't change our line very often right in the middle of the holiday season. Hmm. *shrug* thanks for the info though. (why posting that anonymously??)
Twenty million people sent it in?!? I demand a recount!!!!!
Of course they aren't going to magically restrict the entire operation to microsoft hardware. They really don't care what you do with it. But, the USB box is not available to the standard user right now, as far as I know. Remember, tech support for a system like this is a nightmare. And I for one, will be more than happy as a retailer for this (RS.. duh) to provide it to anyone who wants the stuff. But, at this point, all we have access to are Compq 5WV232's with seperate In/Outbound satellite cards. These aren't going to run under Linux, not unless someone gets real creative about driver authoring. That's just the way it is.
When we get the ability to use the USB devices, which are still testing mind you, I'd love to see someone write the USB driver for Linux and for any other thing on earth to take advantage of it. Feel free. Me, I'm not a developer in this day and age, with my skillz only being towards serial communications, which just doesn't seem very applicable anymore.
Starband doesn't really care what OS you run, once the system is up and running. They really don't. But they do care about providing a system that -works- works -right- and has been thoroughly -tested- before unleashing it onto a mass of teeming consumers.
How exactly is it that a buffer overflow can allow you to execute arbitrary commands? Overflowing a buffer usually throws you somewhere into unalloc'd memory, which then under windows gives you protection errors, and under most other systems gives you a SEGV. What's up? I guess I just don't get it.
I think the whole point of this, though I haven't been to the website, since it's /.'d, is to show that a kernel is not a complete system. We all know this, but it doesn't really sink in, until someone strips away all the Unixisms. Someone could build OS/2 atop the Linux kernel, someone could build EXPLORER.EXE atop the Linux kernel, someone could do anything they wanted, using Linux -- not using Unix. Obviously, there are Unixisms in the kernel, but these Unix metaphors are not necessary. This might be the type of development that a lot of people could get into - people who want to develop systems.. but don't / can't start all the way back at square 1. Given a rock solid, proven foundation to work with, you can just get up and start coding something.
Just wanted to let you guys know that over at RadioShack you can order Atari 2600 games. I ordered one once, and it came brand new, still shrinkwrapped. The full catalog isn't out there, but a lot of them are.
:)
Have you also ever noticed that JonKatz's articles tend to create the most discussion, intelligent -and- flamebait such as yours, because of the way he writes? The man is -not- feeding bullshit, you just have a problem comprehending simple english words.
Katz was referring to the semi-hysteria that surrounded WarGames. He wasn't necessarily saying that WarGames could have been a real thing. Ya know?
Technodummy: Did you actually just read and understand a word of everything you just replied to, or did you just start blowing shit from your fingers?
hmm. Now I understand why everyone not in the midwest talks trash about RS. Gilat has been called starband since before it became available, and has nothing to do with @Home. And if you go through our press releases (this was announced like -everywhere-) we're working with @Home to provide cable modems across the US. But so far it's just testing on the east coast.
Great, you're promoting theft. I bet your parents are very proud of you.
yeah, I know exactly what you mean there, BN. I've got 5 100MBps lines and 1 10Mbps line connected via a 33.6 also. Fortunatly only two computers are ever in use at a time. :)
Actually, Perl, the satellite is -way- slow to get you started. The latency (ping time) is a MINIMUM 450ms, and it's usually worse. But you're absolutely right, after the connection gets hooked, it's awesome. CyberPatrol does add some overhead to that.. but it sure beats having a public kiosk with full open access. *laugh*
Hey, I've done some quick researching into this deal. Here's the deal. If you buy a cable modem in the areas where this is opened (this is just happening in a few test markets), right now, they are giving you a $100 gift certificate. Therefore, they use this $100 gift certificate to buy the stuff you purchased for $100. Effectively, as you all sum it up, a free cable modem for purchasing $100.
:-P
It apparently does -NOT- require that you sign up for the service - the modem is effectively useless without having the cable service.
I did this same gig in my market (detroit) with a gift certificate promotion on some older cell phones i needed to get rid of - free phone with 60 minutes prepaid service, all you had to do was spend $50. It's really quite a nice deal.
RadioShack is not all bad. In fact, it's mostly good. Maybe it's because most of you guys aren't in my area, or what not, but I train my people the right way. So
Klowner, we rehashed the Satellite access for about 500 comments worth about 3 weeks ago right here on Slashdot. If you search for the articles that I posted on it, it's got most all the details you could ever want. Click on me and email me if you want to talk specifics.
:-)
:)
Hey, that -IS- one example. At least, probably of the brand of canned corn this guy tried with his Cue Cat. It's incredible difficult to sell something to someone (even if it's free) if they can't see a use for it. Actually, come to think of it, I've used mine a few times to avoid having to use a search engine to search for recipes!! It works pretty well for stuff like that.
I do love having the satellite hookup at the store, and having a customer come in and ask about the CueCat, and I ask them if they have anything in their pockets with a barcode on it. Like a pack of cigarettes, or bubblegum, or whatnot. Page loads instantly. Customer's jaw drops, if they've never seen anything faster than 56k.
It's beautiful
Is anyone forcing you to continue on reading? Hmmm....
Anyone holding a gun to your head?
I didn't think so.
Now sit down, shut up.
Well, I'll tell you honestly, this is what has done it. Sheer numbers. The sheer volume of people on the Internet has completely destroyed any community that might happen. The fact that nearly ANYONE can get online, from anywhere, at any time is what's done it. ... 1988... (I'm 24 now, so I started really young) and having been a contributor to at least a few of the things that are out there (I wrote the first DOS-based IRC client, several pieces of code for IRCd, and even patches for Linux 0.98!), I can see this. I hang out in areas with a small number of people, as that's the only place that things work. Certain IRC chat channels (I hang out on dal.net these days), not web-chats. Yahoo! Chat is the lamest piece of trash I've ever seen, as far as the quality of people on average goes.
Having been on the Internet since
Memory:
*** Welcome to the Internet Relay Network
*** There are 102 users on 116 servers
In that day and time, I knew nearly every single person that logged in to IRC, day in, day out. Now, 12 almost 13 years later, I can't remember most of these people. I certainly don't know a single name of any single person on slashdot, besides the ones that forcibly stick (like JonKatz), and I highly doubt that most of you out here know anyone on here, unless you knew them outside of slashdot. (Though one of these days I am going to have to find my way up to Holland and meet the creators of this... I used to use some BBS's in Holland, though I can't remember their names!)
Volume. Sheer volume. You put hordes of people into something, and the masses IQ starts decreasing.