Technically knowledgeable doesn't really have much to do with it. I know plenty of such persons using Facebook. That attitude is just holier-than-thou attitude taken by geeky persons who cannot act socially, and determine that their own inabilities are only caused by everyone else just being so much stupider than they are.
I'm quite aware people met and gotten to know each other before Facebook or computers. But it happened it much closer circles than now. Now you can get to know people that really interest you. Hell, I have a tons of south korean girls added on my Facebook who I regularly play some games with or chat with and think it's fun. How easy would had it been before? I would had have to travel to south korea for that. While I like traveling, it's not as convenient as meeting them on Facebook.
That period was beginning of the internet. Everything new is unstable. By now internet has matured and stabilized, a lot. Just like Google will be around in 20 years, so will be Facebook and even Microsoft. Well, unless the western world collapses and China takes over the world and we will all be Baiduing soon. But by then you probably won't care about Facebook being gone.
So Facebook's claim that third-party apps would only have access to information they need is therefore equivalent to claiming that third party apps would only have access to information that they ask for. In other words, utterly meaningless. It's a weaselly statement that tricks users into thinking Facebook is protecting its users privacy, when really they're doing nothing of the sort.
If you had ever developed Facebook apps or read their API, you would see that the information apps get are separated into different classes. All of which permissions Facebook (and solely Facebook) will ask from the user in order for the app to get access to them.
Facebook didn't break the law, and FTC isn't a law enforcement agency. They just broke practices FTC didn't like, and as FTC still does have some saying (just because of their standing), Facebook agreed to such settlement. Settlement.
Why should we change it? To what? I'm happy to see how easy it is keep contact with people and get to know new interesting places and guys and girls. This is especially true if you travel a lot, like I do. I noticed it's incredibly easy to use the connections you have on Facebook to find new stuff, be it other people, places, or even restaurants. I honestly don't think we had it any better before.
For all its faults, Facebook has done incredible job at connecting just normal people all over the world. No matter if they related to you, your friends you have met somewhere, friends you haven't seen in a while or totally new people. It really has brought people closer to each other, and introduced people to other ones that share the same interests. You just have to know how to use it.
Well what would be more.. well, friendly, name then? Acquaints? Doesn't really have the same sound to it.
For that matter, it's your own preferences. I don't friend people I don't know or consider to be "friends". However, it's a loose category. Some I know better, some I don't. And please, I don't want to categorize them. I'm not that nerdy. Friend is a good all-purpose term.
Obviously, but it's also their legal base. As it legally stands now, they outsource their programming and datacenter jobs to US. How the world changes...:)
What should FTC have done? Fine them for some hundred thousands? Facebook has the cash. Shut down the company? Facebook is based in Ireland, and it would mean lots of shit to many people (like it or not, Facebook has become part of life for almost every human on earth)
Not only did they slap Facebook for privacy violations, but also Google a few months ago. They IMO are the two largest privacy violators on the internet.
Now, maybe someone at Facebook will read this and notice: Please fix the chat so that if I have set it offline, it will not quickly popup me as online and then back offline when I later visit Facebook. It seems like a stupid bug. It also leads to stupid private messages (especially from my mother -_-) when I just want to check updates.
Other than that, Facebook has done a pretty good job. It's still the most useful social network on the internet, and I doubt Google+ will be ever able to compete with it.
If they choose to ignore it, they will be part of the legal fight anyway. Instead of suing each other, the both companies can now choose to sue Facebook. The US company for violating trademark laws, and the german company for violating trademark laws AND their contract with Facebook.
That's pretty much how it was for me too. I was traveling anyway, and monthly changed to different countries in Asia, back and forth. It just made sense to have girlfriends in every country. I didn't have to find hotel or place to stay either - they would come get me from airport and even let me stay at their place.
I get the joke, but it's actually really easy one. It obviously belongs to the German company that originally registered it on Facebook. Why does US companies think they can thump on everyone else?
We're on a tech site, so it could be viewed as basic knowledge. I never talk with Chinese online, but I still know they use Baidu for searching stuff and QQ for IM's.
If you're calling real phones, it depends on target country. For me it's 10 euros/month with unlimited time (well 10 000 minutes, but practically unlimited). Some countries support it with mobile phones (mostly some in Asia and USA), many support landlines.
Oh and how it relates to the discussion too, email would be something too much and non-personal. It's nice to hear other ones voice, especially if it's the other gender. While phone is too expensive for that, Skype is perfect for it. Or a quick chat on Facebook. Email, no.
Obviously I was living there (in Asia) back then. I had to return to my home country for other reasons, but I am still going back. Not that I'm dating her now as it's been almost an year, but since we parted in good terms might as well keep in touch every once in a while.
With text chats and IM, it's easy. I don't think the company in TFA is suggesting they would only start using phones, but instead use Skype, Facebook etc. for instant messages. It's still allows actual chat but doesn't get so much into way as calls do. It saves history of the conversation, too.
Skype is not only for calls, I mainly use it for text chats (which can be logged). Only time I've used Skype for calling has been to my past girlfriend in other side of the world, so I don't have pay so much. But yes, orders and similar would still be good to handle in email or in some other way, where you have the exact order in one package.
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Technically knowledgeable doesn't really have much to do with it. I know plenty of such persons using Facebook. That attitude is just holier-than-thou attitude taken by geeky persons who cannot act socially, and determine that their own inabilities are only caused by everyone else just being so much stupider than they are.
I'm quite aware people met and gotten to know each other before Facebook or computers. But it happened it much closer circles than now. Now you can get to know people that really interest you. Hell, I have a tons of south korean girls added on my Facebook who I regularly play some games with or chat with and think it's fun. How easy would had it been before? I would had have to travel to south korea for that. While I like traveling, it's not as convenient as meeting them on Facebook.
That period was beginning of the internet. Everything new is unstable. By now internet has matured and stabilized, a lot. Just like Google will be around in 20 years, so will be Facebook and even Microsoft. Well, unless the western world collapses and China takes over the world and we will all be Baiduing soon. But by then you probably won't care about Facebook being gone.
And as another note, SSN is not included in any parts of that API.
So Facebook's claim that third-party apps would only have access to information they need is therefore equivalent to claiming that third party apps would only have access to information that they ask for. In other words, utterly meaningless. It's a weaselly statement that tricks users into thinking Facebook is protecting its users privacy, when really they're doing nothing of the sort.
If you had ever developed Facebook apps or read their API, you would see that the information apps get are separated into different classes. All of which permissions Facebook (and solely Facebook) will ask from the user in order for the app to get access to them.
Facebook didn't break the law, and FTC isn't a law enforcement agency. They just broke practices FTC didn't like, and as FTC still does have some saying (just because of their standing), Facebook agreed to such settlement. Settlement.
Why should we change it? To what? I'm happy to see how easy it is keep contact with people and get to know new interesting places and guys and girls. This is especially true if you travel a lot, like I do. I noticed it's incredibly easy to use the connections you have on Facebook to find new stuff, be it other people, places, or even restaurants. I honestly don't think we had it any better before.
For all its faults, Facebook has done incredible job at connecting just normal people all over the world. No matter if they related to you, your friends you have met somewhere, friends you haven't seen in a while or totally new people. It really has brought people closer to each other, and introduced people to other ones that share the same interests. You just have to know how to use it.
Well what would be more.. well, friendly, name then? Acquaints? Doesn't really have the same sound to it.
For that matter, it's your own preferences. I don't friend people I don't know or consider to be "friends". However, it's a loose category. Some I know better, some I don't. And please, I don't want to categorize them. I'm not that nerdy. Friend is a good all-purpose term.
In fact, close to one billion soon. It's now at 850 million people.
Obviously, but it's also their legal base. As it legally stands now, they outsource their programming and datacenter jobs to US. How the world changes... :)
Not really. Yes, I have my mom on Facebook. On the same account, I also have my thai wh.. ladies added. Go figure.
Friends become unimportant part of life and that you have better goals to pursuit? That's really healthy talk.
What should FTC have done? Fine them for some hundred thousands? Facebook has the cash. Shut down the company? Facebook is based in Ireland, and it would mean lots of shit to many people (like it or not, Facebook has become part of life for almost every human on earth)
Not only did they slap Facebook for privacy violations, but also Google a few months ago. They IMO are the two largest privacy violators on the internet.
Now, maybe someone at Facebook will read this and notice: Please fix the chat so that if I have set it offline, it will not quickly popup me as online and then back offline when I later visit Facebook. It seems like a stupid bug. It also leads to stupid private messages (especially from my mother -_-) when I just want to check updates.
Other than that, Facebook has done a pretty good job. It's still the most useful social network on the internet, and I doubt Google+ will be ever able to compete with it.
If they choose to ignore it, they will be part of the legal fight anyway. Instead of suing each other, the both companies can now choose to sue Facebook. The US company for violating trademark laws, and the german company for violating trademark laws AND their contract with Facebook.
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I suppose the first technology they're going to work on is how to get a constant stream of electricity out there?
Water transfers electricity easily. Just plug in some nuclear plant to Pacific Ocean and let it flow.
That's pretty much how it was for me too. I was traveling anyway, and monthly changed to different countries in Asia, back and forth. It just made sense to have girlfriends in every country. I didn't have to find hotel or place to stay either - they would come get me from airport and even let me stay at their place.
Yes, because it makes absolutely sense to merge companies just for the sake of Facebook URL!
I get the joke, but it's actually really easy one. It obviously belongs to the German company that originally registered it on Facebook. Why does US companies think they can thump on everyone else?
We're on a tech site, so it could be viewed as basic knowledge. I never talk with Chinese online, but I still know they use Baidu for searching stuff and QQ for IM's.
If you're calling real phones, it depends on target country. For me it's 10 euros/month with unlimited time (well 10 000 minutes, but practically unlimited). Some countries support it with mobile phones (mostly some in Asia and USA), many support landlines.
Oh and how it relates to the discussion too, email would be something too much and non-personal. It's nice to hear other ones voice, especially if it's the other gender. While phone is too expensive for that, Skype is perfect for it. Or a quick chat on Facebook. Email, no.
Obviously I was living there (in Asia) back then. I had to return to my home country for other reasons, but I am still going back. Not that I'm dating her now as it's been almost an year, but since we parted in good terms might as well keep in touch every once in a while.
With text chats and IM, it's easy. I don't think the company in TFA is suggesting they would only start using phones, but instead use Skype, Facebook etc. for instant messages. It's still allows actual chat but doesn't get so much into way as calls do. It saves history of the conversation, too.
It's still used a lot in some European countries and Russia. I'm not from US.
Skype is not only for calls, I mainly use it for text chats (which can be logged). Only time I've used Skype for calling has been to my past girlfriend in other side of the world, so I don't have pay so much. But yes, orders and similar would still be good to handle in email or in some other way, where you have the exact order in one package.