Are you sure of that? I was told that it wasn't an issue at the committee meeting. Who's saying it came up for a vote?
I wonder why the democrats would even bother with the rebuttal, seems pretty much like a partisan hack job.. But that's what today's memo makes this whole kerfuffle look like, a partisan hatchet job, built on trumped up gossip and innuendo developed at no little cost by the opposition party. This whole Russian Collusion thing is a partisan sham, or seems so. If it really is nothing but smoke and mirrors being blown by the democrats, this will be really bad for them.
Ah yes... So it's the thing you and I cannot know that proves the whole thing is made up... How convenient for your argument because that's a rabbit hole you can never really go down completely. It's always the next classified document you cannot see that proves your point about the conspiracy. This is a hallmark of the conspiracy theorist winding yarns about how the government is hiding things like UFO proof and Area 51's involvement in it and it's all classified so they can keep hiding it...
I think the truth is pretty self evident from what we already know, that the Steel dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants, and not much else. I think that's pretty much a proven fact unless a whole bunch of people lied to congress about some stuff. So this memo doesn't really add anything to what we already knew, it just puts it into a perspective that cannot be ignored like all the bits of congressional testimony buried in the hours and hours we've had so far.
I would like to also point out that the democrats went to the mat on trying to keep this from seeing the light of day.
Democrats went to the mat to prevent the release of a one-sided, misleading partisan document.
I'm shocked!!
You do realize that they did this claiming "National Security" would be impacted by this because it exposes methods and tactics for data collections. I've read the memo, I don't see anything in there about methods or tactics.
I think they didn't want the memo to come out because they knew it would damage their year's long narrative about Trump colluding with the Russians, that it would show that some flimsy DNC hired research started this whole kerfuffle in the first place and was used to keep the plates spinning for a year. I think they didn't want the truth to come out, so they made this "national security" gambit up. I think at least one of the plates just fell and a couple are wobbling badly...
But McCabe in his congressional testimony actually said that without the dossier, there would not have been enough for a warrant application.
Given the fact that the dossier was basically opposition research bought and paid for by the DNC (aka Hillary) DURING the campaign and the first FISA warrant was approved using it DURING the campaign.... We have a serious issue here and abuse of power if the Obama administration had even a tiny part of this.
Is it even possible that you have been mislead on this?
Few posters on Slashdot have first hand knowledge of any of this, so I'm left to wonder if you just *might* not have all the facts straight. It would be easy to get into left field on this..
From reading the actual memo, it's clear there's nothing in it that reveals anything detrimental to national security. On the contrary, it reveals top FBI officials acting in a way that is clearly not designed to protect US persons rights
I would like to also point out that the democrats went to the mat on trying to keep this from seeing the light of day. They went after Nunas on a sham ethics investigation then went all "national security" on this memo thing, voting unanimously as a party to not release it.
Is that smoke I smell? Does it go with the mirrors or is there a fire out there on the other side of the isle?
The Nunes memo revolves around the assertion that Carter Page's collusion with Russia's spy agency should not have been caught by a FISA warrant.
By the time Carter Page was caught committing treason for the Trump campaign, he had already been caught communicating with and offering help to Russian spies in a completely separate spy ring.
In other words, the Trump / Russia collusion is the second time Carter Page has been investigated in connection to Russian spies he was working for.
Interestingly the Russian spies in the first investigation (1 did prison time, 2 fled to Moscow) thought Carter Page was an idiot who craved money. Watch one of his bumbling television appearances where he incriminates himself multiple times while trying to pretend nothing happened. Really quite amazing spectacle, and you have to conclude the Russians are right about this guy...
The *problem* with this theory of yours is that you are saying the recently released memo is wrong, that the FISA warrants where not based on the dossier from Steel, but other intelligence which was known to be true. The memo is based on the claims that without the dossier there would have been no justification for the FISA warrants.
So Carter Page's relationship with Russians isn't all that material here. Simply knowing and associating with somebody who had something to do with the Russians in the past is not enough to give you probable cause to do surveillance on other people today, any more than interacting with a murder who just got out of jail gives the police probable cause to get a warrant to search your house.
Yea, we disagree. Trump just in the State of the Union Address outlined his thoughts on immigration, including a proposal to give DACA recipients a path to citizenship in his 4 pillars proposal. This is pretty much what the democrats had been saying they wanted. He even upped the total number allowed from 800K to 1.6 Million people. It was resoundingly rejected.
And I don't think opposing Trump will be a problem for the partisan democrats in the party. I understand you have to somehow whip up enthusiasm in your base to drive turn out to have a hope of getting elected. I'm saying that this bashing Trump and being obstructionist doesn't play well with the middle, a group you ALSO must appeal to because they are the actual selectors of who governs us. The republicans can keep making public attempts to compromise and appeal to the middle in the process.
But I get that you guys are between a rock and a hard place. Your opposition to Trump is the only way to keep the base united, but being obstructionists also alienates you from the moderate middle. Republicans may have their factions, but they also can claim that democrats are saying "no" to any legislation supported by Trump and rightfully call you obstructionists. The only other option is to compromise with Trump and give him legislative victories which your base is loathed to support, so that option is off the table.
Think about how this plays out in the long term. The tables have turned on you. The economy is going gangbusters, republicans are being seen as the moderates who made it happen and democrats are only able to say "no" and bash Trump. That may be the only hand you can play, but it's a losing one.
Adyen was valued at 2.2 billion during the most recent investments. They expect to be valued at at least 6 billion when they do their IPO, rumoured to be this year. I don't think they will sell to eBay for pennies on the dollar.
I say we hold an auction! Anybody know a website for that?
I've never had an issue with PayPal's service... The fees are a bit higher than simple credit card processors, but not that bad considering you don't have to do any of the setup work to take credit cards with PayPal. Sure, if you are a retailer processing lots of credit card purchases you'd be better of with somebody else, but if you do one or two transactions now and then, PayPal is fine.
I find the dispute resolution part of PayPal works just fine, but you have to follow the process for shipping and insurance and demand the other party does too.
I do probably 10-20 transactions a year, both buying and selling on E-Bay and other places using PayPal and I've never had an issue with PayPal as a service, though I've had issues with buyers and sellers who where trying to use PayPal and didn't know what they where doing.
I'm just guessing here, but E-Bay will have a hard time flushing PayPal any time soon. I'm pretty sure PayPal and their customers from E-Bay will have something to say about this.
I beg to differ... SOME questions have many answers with no single answer being more correct than another and sometimes there are questions for which there are no answers at all.
Expecting all questions to be solvable from the information given is a commonly misunderstood issue. Critical thinking involves realizing that you may not be given all the relevant data and may need to find additional information to get a good answer. In other words, good problem solving involves thinking about the unknown, both the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns.
Have an issue with Known unknowns vrs unknown unknowns? Let me illustrate what I mean. Known unknowns is understanding that you will have a calculable number of software bugs during a specific sized software project. You don't know what they will be, but you know they will happen and you can guess what it will take to fix them from experience, a known unknown. Unknown unknowns are things you simply cannot foresee, like your office being hit by a tornado in the middle of the project.
See there you go.... Whoa up on the partisan rhetoric a bit.
You assume that I'm upset, I'm not... You guys got your reasons, I'm just pointing out the fact that you won't agree to anything short of 100% of your demands, if that even. The latest government shutdown makes it clear what cards you are going to play, I'm just waiting on your side to play the rest of the losing hand. If you think about it, it's obvious what cards you have, the only question is how you are going to play them and how badly it's going to cost you.
It's clear though, that the ultra partisan rhetoric is a bad idea for you guys in your efforts to get votes. The question is, what's worse? Being the partisan obstructionists or giving Trump a victory or two by working with him. Your call...
Roger.. That's one vote for trying to heard the cats...(Not happening...) No mention of the possibility that it may be too late anyway?
There are some things that just cannot be done and it doesn't matter how logical or cost effective they seem to you. We may as well get a jump on dealing with the issue.
He may be for burning coal, but that does not mean he's advocating that we just forget all the emissions control technologies and start burning the stuff in our homes for heat again. There is such a thing as "clean coal" which allows burning it in a clean way by processing the flue gasses to remove the worst of the pollution and leave CO2 and water vapor.
What he's advocating is energy production in all it's available forms not the abandonment of all pollution controls on everything. You are choosing to interpret this according to your political bias and reading between the lines to come up with your above statement. It's not true.
One does wonder what the install base for Windows 10 would be without the upgrade giveaway/push? I'm guessing a lot fewer desktops would have Windows 10 had they not done that..
But I agree 100% with you. We are NOT going to be able to fix this problem, regardless of it's cause at this point. The geopolitical situation doesn't allow it. Getting all the various governments to agree is as impossible as hearding cats.
Best we stop all the caterwauling and hand wringing over prevention and just start the planning to deal with it.
So you admit that this leak is a blatant attempt at PR for this program?
You do understand the meaning of demagoguing right? This is a bad practice used by partisans to get their way by appealing to the emotion and foregoing logic and dispassionate thought.
I don't know about you, but I make better choices when I'm not angry or upset, but calm and rational with a clear mind.
Come on.. This is a leaked document which is admitted to be a draft, subject to wholesale changes, of a budget request from the DOE, which will be edited at the Whitehouse before the president presents it to Congress with a bunch of other similar documents. Congress will ignore the president's input and draft their own budget in the house, argue for months over in committee, sent to the floor of the house, finally arrive at something that won't be recognizable as the original draft that the house passes as a "budget" which will be taken up by the Senate who will likely add their own amendments in committee and from the floor which if it actually passes, will head back to the reconciliation committee to be possibly edited again before both chambers vote to pass it or not.
How's this even news fit to print by a respected news paper much less "News for nerds" on Slash Dot? There is a nearly zero chance these numbers will survive all the coming edits driven by the endless debate in congress.
In other countries, judges must have a law background and are usually experience, well respected lawyers who have practiced for many years.
All true here in the USA at the federal level. It's why the Senate has the "advise and consent" roll that they take seriously and don't just rubber stamp all nominees.
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Are you sure of that? I was told that it wasn't an issue at the committee meeting. Who's saying it came up for a vote?
I wonder why the democrats would even bother with the rebuttal, seems pretty much like a partisan hack job.. But that's what today's memo makes this whole kerfuffle look like, a partisan hatchet job, built on trumped up gossip and innuendo developed at no little cost by the opposition party. This whole Russian Collusion thing is a partisan sham, or seems so. If it really is nothing but smoke and mirrors being blown by the democrats, this will be really bad for them.
Ah yes... So it's the thing you and I cannot know that proves the whole thing is made up... How convenient for your argument because that's a rabbit hole you can never really go down completely. It's always the next classified document you cannot see that proves your point about the conspiracy. This is a hallmark of the conspiracy theorist winding yarns about how the government is hiding things like UFO proof and Area 51's involvement in it and it's all classified so they can keep hiding it...
I think the truth is pretty self evident from what we already know, that the Steel dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants, and not much else. I think that's pretty much a proven fact unless a whole bunch of people lied to congress about some stuff. So this memo doesn't really add anything to what we already knew, it just puts it into a perspective that cannot be ignored like all the bits of congressional testimony buried in the hours and hours we've had so far.
Democrats went to the mat to prevent the release of a one-sided, misleading partisan document.
I'm shocked!!
You do realize that they did this claiming "National Security" would be impacted by this because it exposes methods and tactics for data collections. I've read the memo, I don't see anything in there about methods or tactics.
I think they didn't want the memo to come out because they knew it would damage their year's long narrative about Trump colluding with the Russians, that it would show that some flimsy DNC hired research started this whole kerfuffle in the first place and was used to keep the plates spinning for a year. I think they didn't want the truth to come out, so they made this "national security" gambit up. I think at least one of the plates just fell and a couple are wobbling badly...
But McCabe in his congressional testimony actually said that without the dossier, there would not have been enough for a warrant application.
Given the fact that the dossier was basically opposition research bought and paid for by the DNC (aka Hillary) DURING the campaign and the first FISA warrant was approved using it DURING the campaign.... We have a serious issue here and abuse of power if the Obama administration had even a tiny part of this.
Please, no more... We've had more than a year of that already..
AC.. Whoa up..
Is it even possible that you have been mislead on this?
Few posters on Slashdot have first hand knowledge of any of this, so I'm left to wonder if you just *might* not have all the facts straight. It would be easy to get into left field on this..
From reading the actual memo, it's clear there's nothing in it that reveals anything detrimental to national security. On the contrary, it reveals top FBI officials acting in a way that is clearly not designed to protect US persons rights
I would like to also point out that the democrats went to the mat on trying to keep this from seeing the light of day. They went after Nunas on a sham ethics investigation then went all "national security" on this memo thing, voting unanimously as a party to not release it.
Is that smoke I smell? Does it go with the mirrors or is there a fire out there on the other side of the isle?
The Nunes memo revolves around the assertion that Carter Page's collusion with Russia's spy agency should not have been caught by a FISA warrant.
By the time Carter Page was caught committing treason for the Trump campaign, he had already been caught communicating with and offering help to Russian spies in a completely separate spy ring.
In other words, the Trump / Russia collusion is the second time Carter Page has been investigated in connection to Russian spies he was working for.
Interestingly the Russian spies in the first investigation (1 did prison time, 2 fled to Moscow) thought Carter Page was an idiot who craved money. Watch one of his bumbling television appearances where he incriminates himself multiple times while trying to pretend nothing happened. Really quite amazing spectacle, and you have to conclude the Russians are right about this guy...
The *problem* with this theory of yours is that you are saying the recently released memo is wrong, that the FISA warrants where not based on the dossier from Steel, but other intelligence which was known to be true. The memo is based on the claims that without the dossier there would have been no justification for the FISA warrants.
So Carter Page's relationship with Russians isn't all that material here. Simply knowing and associating with somebody who had something to do with the Russians in the past is not enough to give you probable cause to do surveillance on other people today, any more than interacting with a murder who just got out of jail gives the police probable cause to get a warrant to search your house.
So you where upset before when we did it, but are perfectly fine with your doing it now?
I'm not upset, if you want to do this, it's your right. And I'M the hypocrite?
I don't think you know what that word means..
Yea, we disagree. Trump just in the State of the Union Address outlined his thoughts on immigration, including a proposal to give DACA recipients a path to citizenship in his 4 pillars proposal. This is pretty much what the democrats had been saying they wanted. He even upped the total number allowed from 800K to 1.6 Million people. It was resoundingly rejected.
And I don't think opposing Trump will be a problem for the partisan democrats in the party. I understand you have to somehow whip up enthusiasm in your base to drive turn out to have a hope of getting elected. I'm saying that this bashing Trump and being obstructionist doesn't play well with the middle, a group you ALSO must appeal to because they are the actual selectors of who governs us. The republicans can keep making public attempts to compromise and appeal to the middle in the process.
But I get that you guys are between a rock and a hard place. Your opposition to Trump is the only way to keep the base united, but being obstructionists also alienates you from the moderate middle. Republicans may have their factions, but they also can claim that democrats are saying "no" to any legislation supported by Trump and rightfully call you obstructionists. The only other option is to compromise with Trump and give him legislative victories which your base is loathed to support, so that option is off the table.
Think about how this plays out in the long term. The tables have turned on you. The economy is going gangbusters, republicans are being seen as the moderates who made it happen and democrats are only able to say "no" and bash Trump. That may be the only hand you can play, but it's a losing one.
Adyen was valued at 2.2 billion during the most recent investments. They expect to be valued at at least 6 billion when they do their IPO, rumoured to be this year. I don't think they will sell to eBay for pennies on the dollar.
I say we hold an auction! Anybody know a website for that?
I've never had an issue with PayPal's service... The fees are a bit higher than simple credit card processors, but not that bad considering you don't have to do any of the setup work to take credit cards with PayPal. Sure, if you are a retailer processing lots of credit card purchases you'd be better of with somebody else, but if you do one or two transactions now and then, PayPal is fine.
I find the dispute resolution part of PayPal works just fine, but you have to follow the process for shipping and insurance and demand the other party does too.
I do probably 10-20 transactions a year, both buying and selling on E-Bay and other places using PayPal and I've never had an issue with PayPal as a service, though I've had issues with buyers and sellers who where trying to use PayPal and didn't know what they where doing.
I haven't a clue what you mean by Tax Dodging....
I'm just guessing here, but E-Bay will have a hard time flushing PayPal any time soon. I'm pretty sure PayPal and their customers from E-Bay will have something to say about this.
LOL In a partisan world, One man's information is another's propaganda...
I beg to differ... SOME questions have many answers with no single answer being more correct than another and sometimes there are questions for which there are no answers at all.
Expecting all questions to be solvable from the information given is a commonly misunderstood issue. Critical thinking involves realizing that you may not be given all the relevant data and may need to find additional information to get a good answer. In other words, good problem solving involves thinking about the unknown, both the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns.
Have an issue with Known unknowns vrs unknown unknowns? Let me illustrate what I mean. Known unknowns is understanding that you will have a calculable number of software bugs during a specific sized software project. You don't know what they will be, but you know they will happen and you can guess what it will take to fix them from experience, a known unknown. Unknown unknowns are things you simply cannot foresee, like your office being hit by a tornado in the middle of the project.
Don't believe me?
If 2.4 rounds down to 2 then What's 2.4 + 2.4? Why it's 2.8, which clearly rounds up to 3....
How about that kind of math question?
See there you go.... Whoa up on the partisan rhetoric a bit.
You assume that I'm upset, I'm not... You guys got your reasons, I'm just pointing out the fact that you won't agree to anything short of 100% of your demands, if that even. The latest government shutdown makes it clear what cards you are going to play, I'm just waiting on your side to play the rest of the losing hand. If you think about it, it's obvious what cards you have, the only question is how you are going to play them and how badly it's going to cost you.
It's clear though, that the ultra partisan rhetoric is a bad idea for you guys in your efforts to get votes. The question is, what's worse? Being the partisan obstructionists or giving Trump a victory or two by working with him. Your call...
Roger.. That's one vote for trying to heard the cats...(Not happening...) No mention of the possibility that it may be too late anyway?
There are some things that just cannot be done and it doesn't matter how logical or cost effective they seem to you. We may as well get a jump on dealing with the issue.
Pollution is ok with this president.
That's a lie.
He may be for burning coal, but that does not mean he's advocating that we just forget all the emissions control technologies and start burning the stuff in our homes for heat again. There is such a thing as "clean coal" which allows burning it in a clean way by processing the flue gasses to remove the worst of the pollution and leave CO2 and water vapor.
What he's advocating is energy production in all it's available forms not the abandonment of all pollution controls on everything. You are choosing to interpret this according to your political bias and reading between the lines to come up with your above statement. It's not true.
One does wonder what the install base for Windows 10 would be without the upgrade giveaway/push? I'm guessing a lot fewer desktops would have Windows 10 had they not done that..
Dang man.. You are going to be savaged...
But I agree 100% with you. We are NOT going to be able to fix this problem, regardless of it's cause at this point. The geopolitical situation doesn't allow it. Getting all the various governments to agree is as impossible as hearding cats.
Best we stop all the caterwauling and hand wringing over prevention and just start the planning to deal with it.
Maybe the Wall could consist of thick shrubs that will suck CO2 from the air! Liberals and conservatives will rejoice!
Liberals won't go for ANYTHING, short of capitulation, if the idea is suggested by conservatives right now...
So you admit that this leak is a blatant attempt at PR for this program?
You do understand the meaning of demagoguing right? This is a bad practice used by partisans to get their way by appealing to the emotion and foregoing logic and dispassionate thought.
I don't know about you, but I make better choices when I'm not angry or upset, but calm and rational with a clear mind.
Come on.. This is a leaked document which is admitted to be a draft, subject to wholesale changes, of a budget request from the DOE, which will be edited at the Whitehouse before the president presents it to Congress with a bunch of other similar documents. Congress will ignore the president's input and draft their own budget in the house, argue for months over in committee, sent to the floor of the house, finally arrive at something that won't be recognizable as the original draft that the house passes as a "budget" which will be taken up by the Senate who will likely add their own amendments in committee and from the floor which if it actually passes, will head back to the reconciliation committee to be possibly edited again before both chambers vote to pass it or not.
How's this even news fit to print by a respected news paper much less "News for nerds" on Slash Dot? There is a nearly zero chance these numbers will survive all the coming edits driven by the endless debate in congress.
In other countries, judges must have a law background and are usually experience, well respected lawyers who have practiced for many years.
All true here in the USA at the federal level. It's why the Senate has the "advise and consent" roll that they take seriously and don't just rubber stamp all nominees.