it really all depends on the architecture. the idea of just writing parts of an application in different languages is nothing new, and certainly is not a bad idea since different languages might have different strengths. but the idea of just hooking up code developed using different languages, doesn't make much sense. instead, if the given application has the necessary architecture support this is another story. for example, you make your application modular, and allow then for on the fly addition of modules written in different languages. still, regardless of how it is actually implemented, one of the strengths of mixing languages in a development could be the ability of allowing, lets say, users to modify the behavior of your program in a controlled manner.
Sadly, but true. Alien doesn't work with every RPM package. Even the author states so. If you knew better, you wouldn't say something so dumb!
No, I've only used Linux for the past four years. I've design software for the Linux arch in the past, and whenever I have a chance from school, I'll do it again! No, it is true, I'm not part of your user-only community!
Actually, how could you even imagine there could not be any agreement?
Yes, all this happens by mistake, just divinity!
MetroWerks could have chosen Caldera or any other distro. No RH did not approach them like they have approached an unnumbered of other companies before. And again, there is no problem with trying to maximize profits, but to close markets. That is, where the problem lies. If they really have the best distro, then they shouldn't be doing things like this in the first place! And again, I repeat this doesn't happen by pure coincidence!! Just watch! There will be more revelations in their dealings as time goes by. Maybe they'll try from now on to make these dealings look more casual, but will they be???
By what you said, it shows that either you don't have any idea of how public held companies work or you belief in the Micro$soft way of doing business. Note that there shouldn't be any problem with RH, Caldera, SuSe or whoever in maximizing their profits, but to close possible markets to others; that's the problem! By convincing other companies in directing their product to the RedHat distro that's what they are doing. Why do you think that these companies are directing their products to RedHat distro, instead of simply saying that their code is RPM formatted? No, the only thing that they have to do is to put RedHat only. Well, actually if you look at the "Requirements" for these products you'll see "RedHat 5.X/6.X" in there. Oh, yeah, maybe in your little world this kind of things happen by mistake, but in the real world they don't!
You are totally right! Gnome has a lot of problems. And about the hype around it... Doesn't this sound like Micro$oft?? RedHat distro is as good as any other, but investing companies are being lured to belief that they are the chosen one. What I see here is that a lot of people, including yours truly, is in the process of switching to other distro, and who the hell is going to buy these new comer companies products if people are flocking out to other distros. Software companies should know better. If you are going to invest in Linux, try to grab the biggest chunk of people and that includes all distros!
Also, the idea that MetroWerks is going to have to spend more money in making their products available to other distros shows how little people know about Linux. How can anyone backup this? Debian is also based on glibc2 like RedHat, so how difficult can it be to set it up?! If they can do it in RPM, they surely can do it in DEB format, since it is even easier. And what about good, old tar and zip, a version based on libc5 in this format will cover the rest of the population. Then again if they have their own libc and works with Linux, it should work with any distro (i386) on the face of the planet. Again, RedHat is playing the Micro$oft game of controlling information and distribution by other companies!
This is exactly my point! There is no doubt that RedHat is a good distribution, but that is all what it is! Investors and companies are being lured to belief that the RedHat distro is something different from everybody else, and when push comes to shove they will demand that. RedHat for better or worst will not have any saying on that. Once the IPO is out, RedHat CEO will have even more bosses than he has now, more investors. Microsoft should be laughing at all this, because it doesn't need a lot to realize that our community model will be broken without repair as these events unfold. Note that I don't have anything against the current RedHat distro; but as events unfold, this will change dramatically. At the end of all, RedHat top execs will be multimillionares, and will be able to retire and send everyone to hell! This is not a matter of good or evil, even when we joke with these terms, it is a matter of practical business sense. There is nothing else they can do, but screw everyone they have to in order to maximize profits. I remember a few years ago, when RH was nothing, that they had more contact with other distributions. Do you see that now happening? Everything is changing dramatically, as in limiting the ability of finding software not expressively RPM formated. Try to use Debian or Slackware, and you will run into problems trying to find software formated in "deb" or "tarred and gzipped." "Tarred and gzip" are in better standing because of the many projects that are being developed. Still, little by little commercial software is only being RPMed. Is this happening by pure coincidence. Think again!
I think that many of you are right on the money! But in the case of others...in what world do people live in? Don't they see what is going on? RedHat is competing like any other commercial software company in the planet. Provide something that the competition cannot compete against, and little by little kill it. What happened with MetroWerks didn't happened by accident, and neither their deal with Cygnus and many other companies. Why do their packages come, at least in the case of Cygnus, with a RedHat transparent sticker on the front? Did that get there by mistake? Absolutely not!!! RedHat is moving hard against the other distros, which are it's main competition. Why did they hired all these executive shotguns if they are not in for the kill!!! (I bet a lot of people didn't know about this!!!) I have to give it to them. RedHat has done a lot of very intelligent business moves in order to get more market share, but is that what we want? Isn't this what everyone complains about Micro$oft? I mean, if you don't see this as something bad, then don't open your mouth about anything else that M$ does because that would be a huge double standard. In my case, I have a problem because I do contribute everytime I can, and it bothers me not that they are making lots of money, but the way they are doing it. They are doing it just like the software companies that we in many cases despise.
In general, I have to say that many of their contributions are laughable. Let's see:
1- RPM format: This without any doubt gives them an edge. Doesn't this sound like Micro$soft? They can change the format any time, and trust me they will if they need the edge just as M$ from Word95 to Word97. Yes, they are giving it away, but for how long! Eventually they are going to change the format, and make it more exclusionary. And if not, still they will have the edge by having everyone else feed from their hand. Why do people think that they have helped in making more programs RPM formated. They point here is that if everything has RedHat in it, who are you going to buy stuff from? Caldera?
2- Gnome: Look at the format! Doesn't this look like a better, more modern version of AnotherLevel. Yes, again you can use many window managers with it, and do on! Whatever money RH is investing, it surely is going to pay off for their distribution, because again they are calling the shots! Also, you can bet your life that if KDE didn't have the license it had before, Gnome would be history as far as getting backed up by them. RedHat just didn't want to pay. Not because they would have had to bring up the price of their distro, as we can see they were going to do it either way; but because when they did, they net profit was going to be less. Even though it is a better product than Gnome. Again, Gnome is under control, and KDE it not.
3- What about giving RedHat stocks to Linus and employment to Alan? I'm not saying that they were bought or anything like that (lets be very clear on that), but it is a smart way of having them as alies. Are they going to complain about RedHat? Unless RH goes way too far, I doubt it! Everytime they go to talk to another possible investor, do you think that they don't bring that in the conversation. They have top two main guys on board for the long run. Not even Micro$oft can say that!!!
4- What about all the different accords with Intel and all the other major companies? Do you think that they don't want any return on their investments? Again, I doubt it! And again, this brings up the topic of: either RedHat wants it or not, they are going to have to maximize their profits to bring they promised returns for their investors, specially when they go public! At that point, who the hell is going to care about Open Source, Free Software or whatever. The bringing up the bottom line is the game, and there is only one way to play it. KILL THE COMPETITION!
If people don't care, so be it! I do care because I'm making a serious investment in time and money in Linux in general, when I could do it in (*)BSD, or somewhere else. I know. It is my choice, but the totally Open Source nature of the community is one of the most alluring things for me. And if it is gone, then it would have been a waste of time, not only for me, but for everyone who contributed! I hope that I'm wrong! But to all those History major grads, I ask: does history always repete itself?
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it really all depends on the architecture. the idea of just writing parts of an application in different languages is nothing new, and certainly is not a bad idea since different languages might have different strengths. but the idea of just hooking up code developed using different languages, doesn't make much sense. instead, if the given application has the necessary architecture support this is another story. for example, you make your application modular, and allow then for on the fly addition of modules written in different languages. still, regardless of how it is actually implemented, one of the strengths of mixing languages in a development could be the ability of allowing, lets say, users to modify the behavior of your program in a controlled manner.
Sadly, but true. Alien doesn't work with every RPM package. Even the author states so. If you knew better, you wouldn't say something so dumb!
No, I've only used Linux for the past four years. I've design software for the Linux arch in the past, and whenever I have a chance from school, I'll do it again! No, it is true, I'm not part of your user-only community!
How do you know there was not an agreement?
Actually, how could you even imagine there could not be any agreement?
Yes, all this happens by mistake, just divinity!
MetroWerks could have chosen Caldera or any other distro. No RH did not approach them like they have approached an unnumbered of other companies before. And again, there is no problem with trying to maximize profits, but to close markets. That is, where the problem lies. If they really have the best distro, then they shouldn't be doing things like this in the first place! And again, I repeat this doesn't happen by pure coincidence!! Just watch! There will be more revelations in their dealings as time goes by. Maybe they'll try from now on to make these dealings look more casual, but will they be???
By what you said, it shows that either you don't have any idea of how public held companies work or you belief in the Micro$soft way of doing business. Note that there shouldn't be any problem with RH, Caldera, SuSe or whoever in maximizing their profits, but to close possible markets to others; that's the problem! By convincing other companies in directing their product to the RedHat distro that's what they are doing. Why do you think that these companies are directing their products to RedHat distro, instead of simply saying that their code is RPM formatted? No, the only thing that they have to do is to put RedHat only. Well, actually if you look at the "Requirements" for these products you'll see "RedHat 5.X/6.X" in there. Oh, yeah, maybe in your little world this kind of things happen by mistake, but in the real world they don't!
You are totally right!
Gnome has a lot of problems.
And about the hype around it...
Doesn't this sound like Micro$oft??
RedHat distro is as good as any other,
but investing companies are being
lured to belief that they are the chosen one.
What I see here is that a lot of people,
including yours truly, is in the process
of switching to other distro, and who the
hell is going to buy these new comer companies
products if people are flocking out to other
distros. Software companies should know better.
If you are going to invest in Linux, try to
grab the biggest chunk of people and that
includes all distros!
Also, the idea that MetroWerks is going to
have to spend more money in making their
products available to other distros shows how
little people know about Linux. How can
anyone backup this? Debian is also based on
glibc2 like RedHat, so how difficult can it be
to set it up?! If they can do it in RPM,
they surely can do it in DEB format, since it is
even easier. And what about good, old tar and
zip, a version based on libc5 in this format
will cover the rest of the population.
Then again if they have their own libc and works
with Linux, it should work with any distro (i386)
on the face of the planet. Again, RedHat is playing
the Micro$oft game of controlling information and
distribution by other companies!
This is exactly my point! There is no doubt that RedHat is a good distribution, but that is all what it is! Investors and companies are being lured to belief that the RedHat distro is something different from everybody else, and when push comes to shove they will demand that. RedHat for better or worst will not have any saying on that. Once the IPO is out, RedHat CEO will have even more bosses than he has now, more investors. Microsoft should be laughing at all this, because it doesn't need a lot to realize that our community model will be broken without repair as these events unfold. Note that I don't have anything against the current RedHat distro; but as events unfold, this will change dramatically. At the end of all, RedHat top execs will be multimillionares, and will be able to retire and send everyone to hell! This is not a matter of good or evil, even when we joke with these terms, it is a matter of practical business sense. There is nothing else they can do, but screw everyone they have to in order to maximize profits. I remember a few years ago, when RH was nothing, that they had more contact with other distributions. Do you see that now happening? Everything is changing dramatically, as in limiting the ability of finding software not expressively RPM formated. Try to use Debian or Slackware, and you will run into problems trying to find software formated in "deb" or "tarred and gzipped." "Tarred and gzip" are in better standing because of the many projects that are being developed. Still, little by little commercial software is only being RPMed. Is this happening by pure coincidence. Think again!
Just one comment - BE REAL, BUY DEBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that many of you are right on the money! But in the case of others...in what world do people live in? Don't they see what is going on? RedHat is competing like any other commercial software company in the planet. Provide something that the competition cannot compete against, and little by little kill it. What happened with MetroWerks didn't happened by accident, and neither their deal with Cygnus and many other companies. Why do their packages come, at least in the case of Cygnus, with a RedHat transparent sticker on the front? Did that get there by mistake? Absolutely not!!! RedHat is moving hard against the other distros, which are it's main competition. Why did they hired all these executive shotguns if they are not in for the kill!!! (I bet a lot of people didn't know about this!!!) I have to give it to them. RedHat has done a lot of very intelligent business moves in order to get more market share, but is that what we want? Isn't this what everyone complains about Micro$oft? I mean, if you don't see this as something bad, then don't open your mouth about anything else that M$ does because that would be a huge double standard. In my case, I have a problem because I do contribute everytime I can, and it bothers me not that they are making lots of money, but the way they are doing it. They are doing it just like the software companies that we in many cases despise.
In general, I have to say that many of their contributions are laughable. Let's see:
1- RPM format: This without any doubt gives them an edge. Doesn't this sound like Micro$soft? They can change the format any time, and trust me they will if they need the edge just as M$ from Word95 to Word97. Yes, they are giving it away, but for how long! Eventually they are going to change the format, and make it more exclusionary. And if not, still they will have the edge by having everyone else feed from their hand. Why do people think that they have helped in making more programs RPM formated. They point here is that if everything has RedHat in it, who are you going to buy stuff from? Caldera?
2- Gnome: Look at the format! Doesn't this look like a better, more modern version of AnotherLevel. Yes, again you can use many window managers with it, and do on! Whatever money RH is investing, it surely is going to pay off for their distribution, because again they are calling the shots! Also, you can bet your life that if KDE didn't have the license it had before, Gnome would be history as far as getting backed up by them. RedHat just didn't want to pay. Not because they would have had to bring up the price of their distro, as we can see they were going to do it either way; but because when they did, they net profit was going to be less. Even though it is a better product than Gnome. Again, Gnome is under control, and KDE it not.
3- What about giving RedHat stocks to Linus and employment to Alan? I'm not saying that they were bought or anything like that (lets be very clear on that), but it is a smart way of having them as alies. Are they going to complain about RedHat? Unless RH goes way too far, I doubt it! Everytime they go to talk to another possible investor, do you think that they don't bring that in the conversation. They have top two main guys on board for the long run. Not even Micro$oft can say that!!!
4- What about all the different accords with Intel and all the other major companies? Do you think that they don't want any return on their investments? Again, I doubt it! And again, this brings up the topic of: either RedHat wants it or not, they are going to have to maximize their profits to bring they promised returns for their investors, specially when they go public! At that point, who the hell is going to care about Open Source, Free Software or whatever. The bringing up the bottom line is the game, and there is only one way to play it. KILL THE COMPETITION!
If people don't care, so be it! I do care because I'm making a serious investment in time and money in Linux in general, when I could do it in (*)BSD, or somewhere else. I know. It is my choice, but the totally Open Source nature of the community is one of the most alluring things for me. And if it is gone, then it would have been a waste of time, not only for me, but for everyone who contributed! I hope that I'm wrong! But to all those History major grads, I ask: does history always repete itself?