Not that I believe the latest and greatest is always the best, but this one seems a little light on the newer features...Kernel 2.4.2 KDE 2.1, OpenSSH 2.5.2 (doesn't this one have a known flaw in it?).
OpenLinux WS has been out for a long time (many months). Most people wouldn't have realized that because Slashdot never posted a story to recognize that fact. This is why the packages seem a bit dated by now. Next time, before you flame a distro, check the Updates Directory which will show you a version of OpenSSH at 2.9.
Also, if you want the latest and greatest KDE, have no fear. Plenty of core KDE developers are employed by Caldera, so right from the official KDE FTP sight, you can spend the day downloading 2.2.1. I installed it on my workstation (yes, I use OpenLinux Workstation at work) and it works fine. 2.4.2 was the latest kernel available at the time of release, and since there have been no gaping security holes and that kernel has proven fairly stable, there's no reason to mess with a good thing.
Finally, I don't have too much to say with the licensing thing. Of course it was a business decision. As you might expect, with Caldera's stock hovering around 30 cents they're doing all they can to generate revenue. I wish them the best in these tough times.
Ok, I'll send mine too. What the hell. This makes the username teal (or red if you're root), the hostname bright white, and the current dir in dark blue. Also, for some reason, I dig the C-shell style percent sign instead of '$'. Don't ask me why.:)
this is what I use:
export PS1='\[\033[1;36m\]\u\[\033[0m\]@\[\033[1;37m\]\h\ [\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;34m\]\w\[\033[0m\]%'
I use this for root:
export PS1='\[\033[1;31m\]\u\[\033[0m\]@\[\033[1;37m\]\h\ [\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;34m\]\w\[\033[0m\]#'
There's probably a better way to do this, but this is how I make sure fetchmail is always running.
[ -z "$(ps x|grep fetchmail|grep -v grep)" ] && echo "warning: fetchmail not running"
It's easy to give away the code. Have a free downloadable CD full of tarballs. The only differentiation Linux companies have is spec files (or whatever packaging system they use), patches, and testing. You license this stuff as proprietary, release only binary RPMs, and you avoid the cheapbytes problem, and the "based-on" knock offs.
Yes, the open source community will get all pissed off and scorn them, but it won't matter. What matters is how long you can stay in business in the long run, and so far no Linux company has proven they can do this (no, RH doesn't count yet).
Linux companies don't have the balls yet to do this, but they will.
> So I can remove the stock 128meg DIMM and drop in four of these things?
Yes (most likely)
>Also, can I use standard Adaptec PCI SCSI cards?
No, you need to get one with special Sun firmware. But you can pick up a Symbios card on the cheap.
>Any way to dual boot Solaris and SPARC Linux?
Not yet, but I'm sure it won't take long. Maybe RH 7.1 (if it ever comes out for the sparc).
I ran Linux on my SparcStation 5 for a little while, but I had to ask myself what the point of that was. Yes, it's a little faster than Solaris, but I bought my sparc to run Solaris.
And don't forget to spend the day at sunfreeware.com.:)
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I believe you're misunderstanding what Volution is. It is not a directory, or even an implementation of one. It _uses_ LDAP (or SQL, or NDS) as a repository gateway to update and monitor servers (or workstations or wharever).
It IS ZENworks for Linux in a sense, except for the desktop policies stuff (but I wouldn't be surprised to see that soon).
So the commidity that is out there is Linux (Caldera's server product mainly), and that growing userbase is getting Volution sold to them. Giving away the razor and selling the blades... It's a classic approach. And as I said, the side-effect is that more Linux servers fill up space at companies.
Many Linux companies may go down, but when the dust settles I see two big ones--RH and Caldera.
RH, because, of course, preliminary market share. People still associate them with Linux (for better or worse), so people will run them for a while.
But the sleeper, folks, will be Caldera. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see Caldera take the top spot in Linux market share (at least in the server/enterprise arena). They now have a _proprietary_ product called Volution to centrally manage hundreds of servers from a single console. Of course, this is a means to an end--the end result being scores of more Linux servers per enterprise.
Finally, with the acquisition of SCO, Caldera (and now Linux) can start to compete with the bigger enterprise customers. LKP (linux kernel personality) will give people the "environment" of Linux with the scalability of UnixWare. Yes, people bash UnixWare on/., but most have no idea that it absolutely smokes Linux on the high end. It's a joke to compare the numbers. Oracle runs flawlessly. This gives a consistent environment from small internet servers, to big database clusters.
Should be fun to watch.
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Not to nitpick or anything because I think you made a great post, but trying SCO's UnixWare won't cost you a thing. It's free for personal or non-commercial use. Well, not exactly free (25 bucks to get it to you), but cheaper than most Linux distros out there.
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Well, another option would be to buy this and run the webmin IPchains Firewalling module. Fanless, small footprint, web-based front-end, with a much cooler DIY feel.
I worked in a university library for three years that was built just before I started. When they told me about running fiber to every workstation in the building it really didn't sound like that bad of an idea.
The whole problem is that in universities (and maybe funding is different in private universities), is that once the money is spent, you don't get any more for a long time. So we had really cool fiber in every room, all connecting everyone with crappy shared 10Mb hubs. And they're still running that same crappy equipment today.
They assumed the prices of fiber gear would go down, and it did a bit but it's still not even close. Plus users (especially in a lab) tear it up badly. I was always replacing lines that got smashes or cut or whatever. We got bids from some people that actually recommended buying copper gear and putting transceivers on every line.
So my opinion, coming from experience is stay far away from fiber (except for servers, that is).
I looked through openoffice.org yesterday and read through the build faq. They're trying to use tradidional open source build tools where possible, but many of the build tools they use are proprietary. The code base has 60,000 files, and 9,000,000 lines of mostly C++ code. A full build takes 20 hours on a p3 with 256 mb of ram.
The trouble is that when companies start to control standards they invariably use it to their benefit. That's the whole idea of a publicly traded company. Maximize your advantages to kill your rivals. Who is Red Hat's main rival? LSB.
Red Hat wants RH linux and nothing else. That's why they bought Cygnus, and that's why they're doing everything they can to keep everyone in the dark about RPM 4. They want to KILL COMPATIBILITY. Remember this (link above) ask slashdot discussion? Yeah, basically no documentation on RPM 4. You can bet there are reams of documentation on RPM 4 in North Carolina somewhere, but why doesn't the rest of the world get any? Sure we get the source, but it takes time to decipher that. It gives them an edge. Binary incompatibility (gcc), and the use of undocumented products (rpm 4).
They leverage their advantages to kill LSB (or any other standard RH disagrees with). The comparisions to Microsoft are RELEVANT.
The trouble is that when companies start to control standards they invariably use it to their benefit. That's the whole idea of a publicly traded company. Maximize your advantages to kill your rivals. Who is Red Hat's main rival? LSB.
Folks, if we don't push LSB, RedHat will win a market that will become so small it will be irrelevant. Their market share is shrinking and all they have left is some LSB incompatibilities to anchor their business on. People want to port to "Linux" once and not have to worry about what RedHat does to break compatibility in the next release. The Microsoft analogies are not a joke. They want to apply those practices to an open source world, but what they don't realize is that they're not setting a new standard. They're widening the chasm. If we encourage RedHat's actions Linux will become just another OS that couldn't compete with MS.
Red Carpet looks great if you're a single user using one (or even a few) machines. But when you're in charge of administering more than say 5 workstations, a cool little app. like this just doesn't cut it. Many users won't think to run it occasionally.
Caldera created Cosmos to solve this very problem. Automatically push updates to all your linux boxes with the click of a mouse. Less web candy (but themeable!) than RC it seems, but infinitely more manageable. 'Cept it won't do debs quite yet. It looks interesting to me.
Not to mention that IBM has done a nice job with Lotus - sure, 1-2-3/SmartSuite is toast, but they've done a terrific business with Notes, and still have a substantial lead over Microsoft in the category.
That's funny, cause Novell's got GW. Now granted I've heard this 'IBM buying Novell' a couple of times now, so there is probably little substance to it.
I'm just trying to figure out what they would do with GroupWise. They've got tons of users still (I think they're third behind Notes & Exchange). So would they migrate them to an 'NDS enhanced' version of Notes? Keep both products? I guess if they combined the two into one big product (if it's even feasable), it would sure mess up Exchange. I don't know... It's just something to think about, I guess.
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I know everyone hates Caldera/SCO around here, but Volution is solid, feature-rich, and made by a Linux company still actually in business. Monty
OpenLinux WS has been out for a long time (many months). Most people wouldn't have realized that because Slashdot never posted a story to recognize that fact. This is why the packages seem a bit dated by now. Next time, before you flame a distro, check the Updates Directory which will show you a version of OpenSSH at 2.9.
Also, if you want the latest and greatest KDE, have no fear. Plenty of core KDE developers are employed by Caldera, so right from the official KDE FTP sight, you can spend the day downloading 2.2.1. I installed it on my workstation (yes, I use OpenLinux Workstation at work) and it works fine. 2.4.2 was the latest kernel available at the time of release, and since there have been no gaping security holes and that kernel has proven fairly stable, there's no reason to mess with a good thing.
Finally, I don't have too much to say with the licensing thing. Of course it was a business decision. As you might expect, with Caldera's stock hovering around 30 cents they're doing all they can to generate revenue. I wish them the best in these tough times.
Do we really want one Linux company?
Over-partied? Certainly this article ended up on the wrong site.
Ok, I'll send mine too. What the hell. This makes the username teal (or red if you're root), the hostname bright white, and the current dir in dark blue. Also, for some reason, I dig the C-shell style percent sign instead of '$'. Don't ask me why. :)
\ [\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;34m\]\w\[\033[0m\]%'
\ [\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;34m\]\w\[\033[0m\]#'
this is what I use:
export PS1='\[\033[1;36m\]\u\[\033[0m\]@\[\033[1;37m\]\h
I use this for root:
export PS1='\[\033[1;31m\]\u\[\033[0m\]@\[\033[1;37m\]\h
There's probably a better way to do this, but this is how I make sure fetchmail is always running.
[ -z "$(ps x|grep fetchmail|grep -v grep)" ] && echo "warning: fetchmail not running"
It's easy to give away the code. Have a free downloadable CD full of tarballs. The only differentiation Linux companies have is spec files (or whatever packaging system they use), patches, and testing. You license this stuff as proprietary, release only binary RPMs, and you avoid the cheapbytes problem, and the "based-on" knock offs. Yes, the open source community will get all pissed off and scorn them, but it won't matter. What matters is how long you can stay in business in the long run, and so far no Linux company has proven they can do this (no, RH doesn't count yet). Linux companies don't have the balls yet to do this, but they will.
RMS's comments also made zdnet today (in the Commentary section). Picture and all :-/ .
> So I can remove the stock 128meg DIMM and drop in four of these things?
:)
Yes (most likely)
>Also, can I use standard Adaptec PCI SCSI cards?
No, you need to get one with special Sun firmware. But you can pick up a Symbios card on the cheap.
>Any way to dual boot Solaris and SPARC Linux?
Not yet, but I'm sure it won't take long. Maybe RH 7.1 (if it ever comes out for the sparc).
I ran Linux on my SparcStation 5 for a little while, but I had to ask myself what the point of that was. Yes, it's a little faster than Solaris, but I bought my sparc to run Solaris.
And don't forget to spend the day at sunfreeware.com.
I believe you're misunderstanding what Volution is. It is not a directory, or even an implementation of one. It _uses_ LDAP (or SQL, or NDS) as a repository gateway to update and monitor servers (or workstations or wharever).
It IS ZENworks for Linux in a sense, except for the desktop policies stuff (but I wouldn't be surprised to see that soon).
So the commidity that is out there is Linux (Caldera's server product mainly), and that growing userbase is getting Volution sold to them. Giving away the razor and selling the blades... It's a classic approach. And as I said, the side-effect is that more Linux servers fill up space at companies.
Many Linux companies may go down, but when the dust settles I see two big ones--RH and Caldera.
/., but most have no idea that it absolutely smokes Linux on the high end. It's a joke to compare the numbers. Oracle runs flawlessly. This gives a consistent environment from small internet servers, to big database clusters.
RH, because, of course, preliminary market share. People still associate them with Linux (for better or worse), so people will run them for a while.
But the sleeper, folks, will be Caldera. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see Caldera take the top spot in Linux market share (at least in the server/enterprise arena). They now have a _proprietary_ product called Volution to centrally manage hundreds of servers from a single console. Of course, this is a means to an end--the end result being scores of more Linux servers per enterprise.
Finally, with the acquisition of SCO, Caldera (and now Linux) can start to compete with the bigger enterprise customers. LKP (linux kernel personality) will give people the "environment" of Linux with the scalability of UnixWare. Yes, people bash UnixWare on
Should be fun to watch.
Monty
Monty
The whole problem is that in universities (and maybe funding is different in private universities), is that once the money is spent, you don't get any more for a long time. So we had really cool fiber in every room, all connecting everyone with crappy shared 10Mb hubs. And they're still running that same crappy equipment today.
They assumed the prices of fiber gear would go down, and it did a bit but it's still not even close. Plus users (especially in a lab) tear it up badly. I was always replacing lines that got smashes or cut or whatever. We got bids from some people that actually recommended buying copper gear and putting transceivers on every line.
So my opinion, coming from experience is stay far away from fiber (except for servers, that is).
Good luck.
1st choice memory. I even ordered from them once or twice back in my sysadmin days. No problems.
I looked through openoffice.org yesterday and read through the build faq. They're trying to use tradidional open source build tools where possible, but many of the build tools they use are proprietary. The code base has 60,000 files, and 9,000,000 lines of mostly C++ code. A full build takes 20 hours on a p3 with 256 mb of ram.
grrr...Here's what I meant to post:
The trouble is that when companies start to control standards they invariably use it to their benefit. That's the whole idea of a publicly traded company. Maximize your advantages to kill your rivals. Who is Red Hat's main rival? LSB.
Red Hat wants RH linux and nothing else. That's why they bought Cygnus, and that's why they're doing everything they can to keep everyone in the dark about RPM 4. They want to KILL COMPATIBILITY. Remember this (link above) ask slashdot discussion? Yeah, basically no documentation on RPM 4. You can bet there are reams of documentation on RPM 4 in North Carolina somewhere, but why doesn't the rest of the world get any? Sure we get the source, but it takes time to decipher that. It gives them an edge. Binary incompatibility (gcc), and the use of undocumented products (rpm 4).
They leverage their advantages to kill LSB (or any other standard RH disagrees with). The comparisions to Microsoft are RELEVANT.
Red Hat wants RH linux and nothing else. That's why they bought Cygnus, and that's why they're doing everything they can to keep everyone in the dark about RPM 4. They want to KILL COMPATIBILITY. Remember this They leverage their advantages to kill LSB (or any other standard RH disagrees with). The comparisions to Microsoft are RELEVANT.
As well, the first distro. with a non-beta kde 2 (as far as I know).
How about a US-III powered Sun Blade.
Folks, if we don't push LSB, RedHat will win a market that will become so small it will be irrelevant. Their market share is shrinking and all they have left is some LSB incompatibilities to anchor their business on. People want to port to "Linux" once and not have to worry about what RedHat does to break compatibility in the next release. The Microsoft analogies are not a joke. They want to apply those practices to an open source world, but what they don't realize is that they're not setting a new standard. They're widening the chasm. If we encourage RedHat's actions Linux will become just another OS that couldn't compete with MS.
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Caldera created Cosmos to solve this very problem. Automatically push updates to all your linux boxes with the click of a mouse. Less web candy (but themeable!) than RC it seems, but infinitely more manageable. 'Cept it won't do debs quite yet. It looks interesting to me.
Monty
I've heard 50, but it's irrelevant anyway. You'll have a harder time finding a CD-ROM drive in 50 years than you will pulling your data from a CD.
They really should send some type of self-contained cd drive (and monitor too I guess).
That's funny, cause Novell's got GW. Now granted I've heard this 'IBM buying Novell' a couple of times now, so there is probably little substance to it.
I'm just trying to figure out what they would do with GroupWise. They've got tons of users still (I think they're third behind Notes & Exchange). So would they migrate them to an 'NDS enhanced' version of Notes? Keep both products? I guess if they combined the two into one big product (if it's even feasable), it would sure mess up Exchange. I don't know... It's just something to think about, I guess.
Well, Novell said long ago that they were going to open parts of it. I don't know if it ever happened.