What has been observed is that light from a distant star is deflected when it passes near another star such as our sun. That this is due to gravity is only an INTERPRETATION of this observation. Since light is an electromagnetic phenomena, it stands to reason and is much more likely that powerful electric fields and electric currents associated with an electrically powered sun would also deflect a light ray that comes close to the sun.
Wow, that was a long and detailed reply. You mentioned Occam's razor. The present cosmological theories, which depend mostly on gravity, are very complicated and require objects or entities that do not exist, at least here on earth. If the electrical forces is included in interpreting the astronomical data and observations, the mathematical equations can be even more complex, but they don't require things that have never been observed to exist here on earth.
One of the things you mention in your reply is the Sun. In ancient times, centuries ago people thought that the Sun was nothing more than a giant campfire. As mankind learn more about the energy interactions of chemistry, it quickly became apparent that no chemical reaction is energetic enough to produce the light and heat we get from the sun. So the energy source of the sun remained a mystery for a while. Then scientists discovered the immense energy of the atom. That seems to be a reasonable explanation of what makes our sun put out all this power. We have even created what could be called “miniature suns” on the earth, commonly called H-bombs. There are however a number of difficulties in reconciling the extreme variability of the power output of the sun in the electromagnetic spectrum outside of the light and heat we depend on for our lives here on earth. An internal heat source, such as a fusion reaction deep in the interior of the Sun is not likely to allow for the extreme variability of output in ultraviolet and x-ray's over the known 11 year solar cycle. You also mentioned neutrinos. The number of neutrinos that the sun produces is far lower than what you would expect, if fusion were taking place deep in its interior. To make that data fit the fusion model, a mechanism called neutrino oscillation was introduced. So far, since neutrinos are so elusive, this has not been experimentally confirmed.
There are a number of other difficulties for the fusion model, such as sunspots and the fact that the corona is so much hotter than the solar “surface”, that is the photosphere. If the sun were truly heated from its interior, sunspots should be lighter not darker. Sunspots are nothing more than holes in the solar atmosphere exposing the cooler layers underneath. Well understood thermodynamics require that heat always flows from the hotter to the cooler regions. That is reversed in the case of the sun. An externally powered Sun allows for rapid fluctuations in total energy output of the sun, yet an electrical negative feedback mechanism ensures that the vital heat and light we depend on is remarkably constant throughout the entire solar cycle.
As for the supposedly age of the earth or even the universe, all those estimates depend on certain assumptions. One of these assumptions is that the physical processes such as the speed of light and the inversely related Planck's constant have indeed been constant throughout all the ages of time. That may be a reasonable assumption, but it is an assumption taken on faith nevertheless. Despite of the great increase of knowledge in the last few centuries, the nature of time itself remains a deep mystery. Scientists have learned to measure time more accurately than any other physical quantity, yet I have never heard of an explanation what time actually is and why it moves in one direction only. Perhaps you, being a physicist have or have heard of an explanation of time.
Science and faith are not mutually contradictory or mutually exclusionary. The most important things in life can only be grasped by faith, because they are REVALED to you by a person you TRUST. If your spouse or significant other tells you of their love for you, there is no scientific way you can examine that. When you get onto an airplane, you assume, you trust that proper maintenance was done and the pilot knows how to operate a complicated machine that shoots you through the sky at 600 mph. Most of our life here on this Earth is based on faith and trust. In the end, it matters not so much WHAT you believe, but WHOM you believe and trust.
black holes aren't fictitious, purely mathematical constructs.
Look in the center of your own galaxy. It's not even that complex, it's just an out of control gravity well that drags complex matter in and crushes it down to it's minimal components. (radiation) It's not much more complex than that.
We don't KNOW what is at the center of our galaxy. Because of the motion of the stars in the galaxy, a theory has been developed that requires black holes, as well as dark matter and energy, in order to explain the motion of the stars and the rotation of the galaxy as a whole according to what we think we know about gravity. If you add in the effects of electricity and magnetism, then the motion of the galaxy can be explained much more simply, without resorting to never discovered or observed purely mathematical constructs. No one has ever at any time observed a black hole, nor has dark matter and energy been shown to exist in the real world. Our galaxy rotates for the same reason and by the same mechanism as a homo-polar electric motor. The force of gravity has very little to do with either one.
Are you saying that the rules of GR and the rules of E&M are in conflict? What I am saying is that most of the universe is highly electrically charged and therefore dominated by the electromagnetic effects. Only where things are nicely neutral, such as here on earth fortunately for us, does gravity predominate.
"That is actually really easy... just hook a generator up to your electrical service"
Except that the generator has to have a source of energy which is positive. I don't really know anything about negative energy, so where does it exist here on earth in the real world?
All phenomena associated with black holes such as Hawking radiation, can be explained much more elegantly with known electrical and magnetic principles that work quite well here on earth, not only in the depths of space.
I wish I could get some of that mathematical negative energy to turn my electric meter backwards, so my electric bill would be much lower.
"...At least you didn't, at least explicitly, state that astronomers and physicists ignore electrical properties..."
It is true that gravity predominates whenever things are nicely electrically neutral, as they are here on earth and in many parts of the solar system. However, the universe as a whole is a highly electrically charged place, where charges are often widely separated. The sun itself for example is a raging ball of plasma. If you know anything about plasmas, you would know about the 3 modes of current flow through a medium such as interplanetary and intergalactic space. In most places the current flow density is small, so we do not directly observe these currents. They can however constitute enormous current flow. When the current density gets a little higher, the plasma switches to glow mode which we can and do observe. The polar aurora are examples of plasmas operating in glow mode because of the electric current emitted by the sun. When the current density goes still higher, the plasma switches into arc mode, such as enlightening here on earth and intense electrical arcing on the sun. All moving charged particles produce a magnetic field which tends to focus the moving stream of particles into filaments. These filaments can often be light-years long. Their current density in many places is high enough to operate in glow mode, so we can see them with our telescopes.
What astronomers call “Jets” emanating from so-called black holes can be explained by the well known laws of electricity and magnetism, without resorting to purely mathematical constructs such as black holes. What prevents a black hole from collapsing into an infinitely dense so-called “singularity”? Black holes, dark matter, and dark energy has never been observed in the real world, because they are mathematical fictions that only exist in the equations and computers of theoretical astrophysicists.
You can perform an experiment that will give you a rough idea of the difference between the relative strength of gravity and electricity. Just rub a piece of plastic or glass with a piece of fur. Then bring that rod of plastic or glass near some styrofoam peanuts or little paper bits and see what happens. Watch the electric force of a tiny glass rod easily overcome the gravity of the whole planet!
At least some of the beliefs of the electric universe theory don't require fictitious, purely mathematical constructs such as black holes, black energy, dark matter and other science fiction that only works in the computer and has never been discovered in the real world. The beliefs of “gravity only” cosmology are founded almost exclusively on computer modeling. Some parts of the electric universe theory can be verified experimentally right here on earth in the laboratory. In the electric universe model, electricity and gravity work together to explain observations without resorting to computerized fiction.
Unlike the nuclear force, both gravity and the electrical force operate over cosmic distances. If this were not so, we would not be able to measure electromagnetic effects such as light and magnetic fields. Furthermore, the rules that are applied to electrical interactions here on earth, are exactly the same rules that will explain spinning galaxies, novas and supernovas, immense energy outbursts, pulsars and the behavior of the sun. No new rules need to be invented, but only the application of electrical rules we use here on earth every day.
Has anybody ever seen or measured a particle with “negative energy”? What is negative energy? It sounds to me like something that has never been observed, such as dark energy, dark matter, black holes and other purely mathematical constructs that have been invented in the equations of mathematical physicists, but never have been demonstrated to exist in the real world.
If nothing can escape the gravity, then how is anything escaping the gravity? Does not follow logic.
That's because gravity is not or only barely involved in the phenomenon that are attributed to so-called “black holes”. No one has ever seen a black hole. The phenomenon that are attributed to black holes can all be explained in terms of well-known laws of electricity and magnetism. Gravity is 39 orders of magnitude weaker than electric forces. It predominates only here on earth and in our solar system between electrically neutral bodies. As soon as any electric charges or magnetic fields are involved, gravity is essentially nonexistent. Most matter in the universe is not nicely electrically neutral, such as here on earth, but is highly ionized plasma. The sun consists of highly electrified plasma, such as in a welders arc. Unfathomably immense electrical currents in a galactic circuit power of the sun like a giant arc lamp.
"the researchers conclude that the black hole must be spinning and that the material orbiting must also be swirling"
The researchers “believe” that the phenomenon they observe, such as swirling matter or at least the radiation such matter gives off is caused by the immense gravity of a so-called “black holes”. Since the force of gravity is the weakest of all known forces, the observations are more likely to be due to the electrical force, which is 39 orders of magnitude greater than gravity. There are people who can and do explain everything that is being observed on the sun and in the depths of space by the same electrical laws and theories we use here on earth every day. Some of the effects seen taking place over cosmic distances, can be duplicated here on earth in any laboratory dealing with high voltages currants and plasmas. These well understood electrical theories can explain the phenomena we see, without resorting to exotic, fictitious, mathematical only constructs.
Black holes, dark matter, dark energy and other things we do not observe here on earth are unnecessary to explain the motion of the galaxies, including the fact that many galaxies spin much faster than gravitational theories alone would allow. The mechanism that makes galaxies such as our own galaxy rotate, is the same as the laws of electricity and magnetism that make the metal disc in your electric-watt-hour-meter on the side of your house spin according to how much power is entering your house.
Like you said, if black holes existed and were physical bodies, their center would have to be infinitely small and have infinite gravity. When black holes were 1st postulated, the early scientists thought that nothing, including light could escape from them. Today's black holes allow for “evaporation” and the making of “jets”.
The government not only tells you what you can't buy, such as incandescent lightbulbs, but they also tell you what you must buy, such as health insurance. The Supreme Court has ruled that such compulsion is equivalent to a tax. Therefore we now we can all consider being forced to pay a tax for more expensive and polluting CFLs and even more outrageously expensive LEDs.
Legislatures, both Democrats and Republicans legislate behavior (morality) all the time. It is not only illegal to murder, lie or steal, but it is also immoral. Who says “you cannot legislate morality”,? You obviously can and must!
There is no way the church can make good people either unfortunately. Only Jesus Christ can do this by renewing the inner person who has the desire to be renewed, such as to want to be made good.
If somehow it could be arranged, that anyone who does wrong is immediately punished for even the thought, 100% of the time, then fear of punishment would reduce crime essentially to zero. That still would not make good people, only people who are in fear of getting punished. The reason that the church was better at keeping people in line, was that the majority of potential evildoers were convinced that God would punish them in hell. Most people no longer believe either in God, Heaven or Hell, so only the punishment of the state might deter some crime. The problem is that most criminals figure they won't get caught by human punishment.
"Asbestos may have been a great insulator, for example, but it did not belong in all the locations where its producers pushed its installation in order to ensure it was a profitable product."
The difference is that inexpensive, environmentally benign substances were found that could be substituted for asbestos, but this is not true in the case of lightbulbs, at least not in the case of CFL's. Is polluting the ground-water with mercury a better solution than polluting the air from coal burning power plants? LEDs can be a good solution, if the price can be brought down by an order of magnitude.
"This is not something I voted for in any of my politicians..."
This November you get the chance to vote out all incumbents, including the ones who voted for this boondoggle. Anybody who votes for an incumbent this time around, is voting for all the bad laws, including this one on incandescent light bulbs, that have ever been passed. Some of these politicians have been in office for decades. It is time to throw them out. Then, maybe the new crop will repeal some of these freedom restricting laws.
Nobody needs to get violent. There still is this thing called a ballot box. Anyone who has voted for an incumbent official no matter where or when is part of the problem. Don't hang the unresponsive officials, but just vote them out and let them get a real job in the private economy, if they can find one.
Name one computer that comes from the factory with the necessary software to intercept and record unencrypted traffic from an open Wi-Fi? Anybody who wishes to intercept and record such Information from an open wireless network, must obtain special software for the purpose. This is easy enough to do, but such software does not come standard with any computer that I know of. Only a person with a nefarious desire to eavesdrop would go to such effort.
And what are you if you choose to not choose? In my book, that makes you an atheist. Even if you assert you can never know, and choosing is irrelevant, that's still atheist. Because the choices are "choose to believe" or "don't choose to believe", even if the second also includes choosing to not choose.
By choosing not to believe God, you have chosen to call him a liar. According to what Jesus Christ said, God will then choose to let you go as far as it goes possible to go away from him. That place is called hell.
The vast majority of people used to think the stars were all much smaller objects than the Sun too, what's you're point?
My point is that you have to believe there is a God. There is no proof, except in mathematics may be. Human laws come from human minds and natural laws came from the mind of God. In either case, laws only originate in a mind. This does not “prove” that there is a God, but the laws of nature provide evidence through their complexity, that a great mind is behind them. These laws of nature did not come into being by chance any more than human laws come into being by chance.
Confusing natural laws with human laws never got anyone anywhere....
Natural laws are found, human laws are created. Big difference and makes your argument mook....otherwise i would vote for the party that would reduce gravity.
Natural laws are found only because humans were not around when God created them. The point is that natural laws came from the mind of God.
Give me just one FACT that is wrong about the biblical record. Remember I want a fact, not a theory. Take for example the account of the flood of Noah. Noah was there and wrote down what happened. None of the present scientists espousing the theory of evolution or modern geology were there to see what really happened. Oh yes, they have theories, but no actual facts. There is plenty of evidence that there is no spot on earth whatsoever that does not show the action of water. Is that because there was a flood that covered the whole earth, or is that because the mountains bounced up and down as modern theory tries to tell us.
The centerpiece of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Just because people don't rise from the dead today, does not mean it could not really have happened. Like I said, in the end you have to believe or disbelieve. For someone who does not want to believe, no amount of evidence will be sufficient.
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What has been observed is that light from a distant star is deflected when it passes near another star such as our sun. That this is due to gravity is only an INTERPRETATION of this observation. Since light is an electromagnetic phenomena, it stands to reason and is much more likely that powerful electric fields and electric currents associated with an electrically powered sun would also deflect a light ray that comes close to the sun.
Wow, that was a long and detailed reply. You mentioned Occam's razor. The present cosmological theories, which depend mostly on gravity, are very complicated and require objects or entities that do not exist, at least here on earth. If the electrical forces is included in interpreting the astronomical data and observations, the mathematical equations can be even more complex, but they don't require things that have never been observed to exist here on earth.
One of the things you mention in your reply is the Sun. In ancient times, centuries ago people thought that the Sun was nothing more than a giant campfire. As mankind learn more about the energy interactions of chemistry, it quickly became apparent that no chemical reaction is energetic enough to produce the light and heat we get from the sun. So the energy source of the sun remained a mystery for a while. Then scientists discovered the immense energy of the atom. That seems to be a reasonable explanation of what makes our sun put out all this power. We have even created what could be called “miniature suns” on the earth, commonly called H-bombs. There are however a number of difficulties in reconciling the extreme variability of the power output of the sun in the electromagnetic spectrum outside of the light and heat we depend on for our lives here on earth. An internal heat source, such as a fusion reaction deep in the interior of the Sun is not likely to allow for the extreme variability of output in ultraviolet and x-ray's over the known 11 year solar cycle. You also mentioned neutrinos. The number of neutrinos that the sun produces is far lower than what you would expect, if fusion were taking place deep in its interior. To make that data fit the fusion model, a mechanism called neutrino oscillation was introduced. So far, since neutrinos are so elusive, this has not been experimentally confirmed.
There are a number of other difficulties for the fusion model, such as sunspots and the fact that the corona is so much hotter than the solar “surface”, that is the photosphere. If the sun were truly heated from its interior, sunspots should be lighter not darker. Sunspots are nothing more than holes in the solar atmosphere exposing the cooler layers underneath. Well understood thermodynamics require that heat always flows from the hotter to the cooler regions. That is reversed in the case of the sun. An externally powered Sun allows for rapid fluctuations in total energy output of the sun, yet an electrical negative feedback mechanism ensures that the vital heat and light we depend on is remarkably constant throughout the entire solar cycle.
As for the supposedly age of the earth or even the universe, all those estimates depend on certain assumptions. One of these assumptions is that the physical processes such as the speed of light and the inversely related Planck's constant have indeed been constant throughout all the ages of time. That may be a reasonable assumption, but it is an assumption taken on faith nevertheless. Despite of the great increase of knowledge in the last few centuries, the nature of time itself remains a deep mystery. Scientists have learned to measure time more accurately than any other physical quantity, yet I have never heard of an explanation what time actually is and why it moves in one direction only. Perhaps you, being a physicist have or have heard of an explanation of time.
Science and faith are not mutually contradictory or mutually exclusionary. The most important things in life can only be grasped by faith, because they are REVALED to you by a person you TRUST. If your spouse or significant other tells you of their love for you, there is no scientific way you can examine that. When you get onto an airplane, you assume, you trust that proper maintenance was done and the pilot knows how to operate a complicated machine that shoots you through the sky at 600 mph. Most of our life here on this Earth is based on faith and trust. In the end, it matters not so much WHAT you believe, but WHOM you believe and trust.
black holes aren't fictitious, purely mathematical constructs.
Look in the center of your own galaxy. It's not even that complex, it's just an out of control gravity well that drags complex matter in and crushes it down to it's minimal components. (radiation) It's not much more complex than that.
We don't KNOW what is at the center of our galaxy. Because of the motion of the stars in the galaxy, a theory has been developed that requires black holes, as well as dark matter and energy, in order to explain the motion of the stars and the rotation of the galaxy as a whole according to what we think we know about gravity. If you add in the effects of electricity and magnetism, then the motion of the galaxy can be explained much more simply, without resorting to never discovered or observed purely mathematical constructs. No one has ever at any time observed a black hole, nor has dark matter and energy been shown to exist in the real world. Our galaxy rotates for the same reason and by the same mechanism as a homo-polar electric motor. The force of gravity has very little to do with either one.
Are you saying that the rules of GR and the rules of E&M are in conflict? What I am saying is that most of the universe is highly electrically charged and therefore dominated by the electromagnetic effects. Only where things are nicely neutral, such as here on earth fortunately for us, does gravity predominate.
"That is actually really easy... just hook a generator up to your electrical service"
Except that the generator has to have a source of energy which is positive. I don't really know anything about negative energy, so where does it exist here on earth in the real world?
All phenomena associated with black holes such as Hawking radiation, can be explained much more elegantly with known electrical and magnetic principles that work quite well here on earth, not only in the depths of space.
I wish I could get some of that mathematical negative energy to turn my electric meter backwards, so my electric bill would be much lower.
"...At least you didn't, at least explicitly, state that astronomers and physicists ignore electrical properties..."
It is true that gravity predominates whenever things are nicely electrically neutral, as they are here on earth and in many parts of the solar system. However, the universe as a whole is a highly electrically charged place, where charges are often widely separated. The sun itself for example is a raging ball of plasma. If you know anything about plasmas, you would know about the 3 modes of current flow through a medium such as interplanetary and intergalactic space. In most places the current flow density is small, so we do not directly observe these currents. They can however constitute enormous current flow. When the current density gets a little higher, the plasma switches to glow mode which we can and do observe. The polar aurora are examples of plasmas operating in glow mode because of the electric current emitted by the sun. When the current density goes still higher, the plasma switches into arc mode, such as enlightening here on earth and intense electrical arcing on the sun. All moving charged particles produce a magnetic field which tends to focus the moving stream of particles into filaments. These filaments can often be light-years long. Their current density in many places is high enough to operate in glow mode, so we can see them with our telescopes.
What astronomers call “Jets” emanating from so-called black holes can be explained by the well known laws of electricity and magnetism, without resorting to purely mathematical constructs such as black holes. What prevents a black hole from collapsing into an infinitely dense so-called “singularity”? Black holes, dark matter, and dark energy has never been observed in the real world, because they are mathematical fictions that only exist in the equations and computers of theoretical astrophysicists.
You can perform an experiment that will give you a rough idea of the difference between the relative strength of gravity and electricity. Just rub a piece of plastic or glass with a piece of fur. Then bring that rod of plastic or glass near some styrofoam peanuts or little paper bits and see what happens. Watch the electric force of a tiny glass rod easily overcome the gravity of the whole planet!
At least some of the beliefs of the electric universe theory don't require fictitious, purely mathematical constructs such as black holes, black energy, dark matter and other science fiction that only works in the computer and has never been discovered in the real world. The beliefs of “gravity only” cosmology are founded almost exclusively on computer modeling. Some parts of the electric universe theory can be verified experimentally right here on earth in the laboratory. In the electric universe model, electricity and gravity work together to explain observations without resorting to computerized fiction.
Unlike the nuclear force, both gravity and the electrical force operate over cosmic distances. If this were not so, we would not be able to measure electromagnetic effects such as light and magnetic fields. Furthermore, the rules that are applied to electrical interactions here on earth, are exactly the same rules that will explain spinning galaxies, novas and supernovas, immense energy outbursts, pulsars and the behavior of the sun. No new rules need to be invented, but only the application of electrical rules we use here on earth every day.
Has anybody ever seen or measured a particle with “negative energy”? What is negative energy? It sounds to me like something that has never been observed, such as dark energy, dark matter, black holes and other purely mathematical constructs that have been invented in the equations of mathematical physicists, but never have been demonstrated to exist in the real world.
If nothing can escape the gravity, then how is anything escaping the gravity? Does not follow logic.
That's because gravity is not or only barely involved in the phenomenon that are attributed to so-called “black holes”. No one has ever seen a black hole. The phenomenon that are attributed to black holes can all be explained in terms of well-known laws of electricity and magnetism. Gravity is 39 orders of magnitude weaker than electric forces. It predominates only here on earth and in our solar system between electrically neutral bodies. As soon as any electric charges or magnetic fields are involved, gravity is essentially nonexistent. Most matter in the universe is not nicely electrically neutral, such as here on earth, but is highly ionized plasma. The sun consists of highly electrified plasma, such as in a welders arc. Unfathomably immense electrical currents in a galactic circuit power of the sun like a giant arc lamp.
"the researchers conclude that the black hole must be spinning and that the material orbiting must also be swirling"
The researchers “believe” that the phenomenon they observe, such as swirling matter or at least the radiation such matter gives off is caused by the immense gravity of a so-called “black holes”. Since the force of gravity is the weakest of all known forces, the observations are more likely to be due to the electrical force, which is 39 orders of magnitude greater than gravity. There are people who can and do explain everything that is being observed on the sun and in the depths of space by the same electrical laws and theories we use here on earth every day. Some of the effects seen taking place over cosmic distances, can be duplicated here on earth in any laboratory dealing with high voltages currants and plasmas. These well understood electrical theories can explain the phenomena we see, without resorting to exotic, fictitious, mathematical only constructs.
Black holes, dark matter, dark energy and other things we do not observe here on earth are unnecessary to explain the motion of the galaxies, including the fact that many galaxies spin much faster than gravitational theories alone would allow. The mechanism that makes galaxies such as our own galaxy rotate, is the same as the laws of electricity and magnetism that make the metal disc in your electric-watt-hour-meter on the side of your house spin according to how much power is entering your house.
Like you said, if black holes existed and were physical bodies, their center would have to be infinitely small and have infinite gravity. When black holes were 1st postulated, the early scientists thought that nothing, including light could escape from them. Today's black holes allow for “evaporation” and the making of “jets”.
The government not only tells you what you can't buy, such as incandescent lightbulbs, but they also tell you what you must buy, such as health insurance. The Supreme Court has ruled that such compulsion is equivalent to a tax. Therefore we now we can all consider being forced to pay a tax for more expensive and polluting CFLs and even more outrageously expensive LEDs.
Legislatures, both Democrats and Republicans legislate behavior (morality) all the time. It is not only illegal to murder, lie or steal, but it is also immoral. Who says “you cannot legislate morality”,? You obviously can and must!
There's no way the state can make good people.
There is no way the church can make good people either unfortunately. Only Jesus Christ can do this by renewing the inner person who has the desire to be renewed, such as to want to be made good.
If somehow it could be arranged, that anyone who does wrong is immediately punished for even the thought, 100% of the time, then fear of punishment would reduce crime essentially to zero. That still would not make good people, only people who are in fear of getting punished. The reason that the church was better at keeping people in line, was that the majority of potential evildoers were convinced that God would punish them in hell. Most people no longer believe either in God, Heaven or Hell, so only the punishment of the state might deter some crime. The problem is that most criminals figure they won't get caught by human punishment.
"Asbestos may have been a great insulator, for example, but it did not belong in all the locations where its producers pushed its installation in order to ensure it was a profitable product."
The difference is that inexpensive, environmentally benign substances were found that could be substituted for asbestos, but this is not true in the case of lightbulbs, at least not in the case of CFL's. Is polluting the ground-water with mercury a better solution than polluting the air from coal burning power plants? LEDs can be a good solution, if the price can be brought down by an order of magnitude.
"This is not something I voted for in any of my politicians..."
This November you get the chance to vote out all incumbents, including the ones who voted for this boondoggle. Anybody who votes for an incumbent this time around, is voting for all the bad laws, including this one on incandescent light bulbs, that have ever been passed. Some of these politicians have been in office for decades. It is time to throw them out. Then, maybe the new crop will repeal some of these freedom restricting laws.
Nobody needs to get violent. There still is this thing called a ballot box. Anyone who has voted for an incumbent official no matter where or when is part of the problem. Don't hang the unresponsive officials, but just vote them out and let them get a real job in the private economy, if they can find one.
Name one computer that comes from the factory with the necessary software to intercept and record unencrypted traffic from an open Wi-Fi? Anybody who wishes to intercept and record such Information from an open wireless network, must obtain special software for the purpose. This is easy enough to do, but such software does not come standard with any computer that I know of. Only a person with a nefarious desire to eavesdrop would go to such effort.
And what are you if you choose to not choose? In my book, that makes you an atheist. Even if you assert you can never know, and choosing is irrelevant, that's still atheist. Because the choices are "choose to believe" or "don't choose to believe", even if the second also includes choosing to not choose.
By choosing not to believe God, you have chosen to call him a liar. According to what Jesus Christ said, God will then choose to let you go as far as it goes possible to go away from him. That place is called hell.
The vast majority of people used to think the stars were all much smaller objects than the Sun too, what's you're point?
My point is that you have to believe there is a God. There is no proof, except in mathematics may be. Human laws come from human minds and natural laws came from the mind of God. In either case, laws only originate in a mind. This does not “prove” that there is a God, but the laws of nature provide evidence through their complexity, that a great mind is behind them. These laws of nature did not come into being by chance any more than human laws come into being by chance.
Confusing natural laws with human laws never got anyone anywhere....
Natural laws are found, human laws are created. ...otherwise i would vote for the party that would reduce gravity.
Big difference and makes your argument mook.
Natural laws are found only because humans were not around when God created them. The point is that natural laws came from the mind of God.
That the laws of nature came from the mind of God.
Give me just one FACT that is wrong about the biblical record. Remember I want a fact, not a theory. Take for example the account of the flood of Noah. Noah was there and wrote down what happened. None of the present scientists espousing the theory of evolution or modern geology were there to see what really happened. Oh yes, they have theories, but no actual facts. There is plenty of evidence that there is no spot on earth whatsoever that does not show the action of water. Is that because there was a flood that covered the whole earth, or is that because the mountains bounced up and down as modern theory tries to tell us.
The centerpiece of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Just because people don't rise from the dead today, does not mean it could not really have happened. Like I said, in the end you have to believe or disbelieve. For someone who does not want to believe, no amount of evidence will be sufficient.