I would like to play Quake or UT with nimble little humanoid robots in a big concrete arena. The robots I envision stand about 2 feet high (.6m) and look the part of the models in games like those mentioned. The weapons they carry are real. You start each game with 10 robots, a new one spawning onto the field after each death- until you run out.
These little buggers would make a great military force for real-world endeavors like Urban Combat and wilderness patrols.
The western world is training a new fighting force without spending a dime. If they were to develop these bots, I would enlist to fight with them.
This was funny, until you started making fun of farmers. That's just not cool. The master says 'be there many producers, few consumers', in deference to the farmer/peasant's role at the top of the confuscian heirarchy (and I paraphrase as you gwailo would not be able to functionally comprehend the subtle nuances).
I don't get what's wrong with you people! This is a workaday lawsuit, commonplace even. Both points of view obviosly have legitimate points-of-view, or the Judge would not hear the case~! Look at it this way: if it came to light that the VALinux people were screwing around with the numbers maliciously, the SEC would step in... But if the VALinux mba's and ca's were simply incompetent, attorneys like Lerach are your only recourse.
You people are clearly letting your emotions about 'linux' guide your contempt for lerach & his cohorts... It looks like the IPO was handled ineptly, and even if there is the slightest chance that gross, incotrovertable negligence is to blame for that, you need to have the situation examined and arbitrated. that is what Tort is all about. And if it turns up that the good ol boys at valinux did make mistakes, somebody somewhere has to pay the piper. WHO BETTER than the dorks that screwed this particular pooch of an IPO? who better to pay up than the party that profitted from the IPO? What? You have NO answer to that? So very fscking good of you to consider the situation before spouting off!!!
Letting your 'feelings' for Linux and/or this particular corporation guide your opinion of this lawsuit is not rational- BY DEFINITION. Do any of you 3117 455 industry analysts and armchair attorneys consider yourselves irrational? NO! You all pride yourselves on your rationality. So wtf are you guys spouting about?
At no point are any of the plaintiffs here being dishonest or malicious. They are fully justified in their minds, and aren't afraid to say it. I'll leave you with this quote from Lerach to chew on. and next time, have some fscking perspective before spewing such uninformed cynicism!
"Like the anti-trust bureaucrats who attack free enterprise in the name of free markets, Lerach defends his aggressive filing of lawsuits as necessary to police private markets. Says Lerach, "Private enforcement of the law, guided by the profit motive, overseen by an independent federal judiciary, working within laws we have all agreed upon through our elected representative, [has a] useful role to play," in keeping markets strong and fair."
I don't think there's any reason to be so insulting. I made a mistake, in my haste. I *meant* to say: "...stripping it down to the kernel ". pardon me. my point still stands, correction included.
People are going to have to realize that the Net is another medium, and it has to be sponsored commercially and it has to play by the rules of the marketplace. You're still going to have sponsorship, advertising, the rules of the game, because it's just necessary to make commerce work. I think that a lot of what some of the original Net god-utopians were thinking is that there was just going to be this sort of huge anarchist, utopian, bliss medium, where there are no rules and everything is just sort of open. That's a great thought, but it's not going to work. And when ebay gets on the ball in a hard fashion it's going to be the people who first create the commerce and the environment, like yahoo, that will be the market leaders..
Because the kernel was written from scratch, Linux is technically not Unix but a new operating system .
Nonetheless, short of replicating the code from BSD, Linux owes much of its conceptual and architectural design principles to the example of the BSD. At the same time, Linux has been careful to avoid mistakes the BSD has made. And finally, in its commitment to portability and simplicity, Linux has carried the torch, lit by the fathers of the original Unix, farther than any other systems. The legacy of BSD and other Unix-bases operating systems proved valuable resources and inspiration for the development of Linux. To strip the kernel is just plain foolishness!
talk about knee-jerk, sheesh! all of the office apps can save to html. besides, what would be the point of an office app that can't produce files? don't be a dumbass. people need to write reports. fer fucx sake. since you can simply save them all in html, you can always edit them manually or in another app like star office. >oh yeah?
embedded: QNX, Beos
>>>>>>>>>>
You do realize that BeOS is a desktop OS and not an embedded one? BeIA is probably what you're referring to. In the embedded market, there are MANY other OSs besides QNX and BeOS. These two are probably best for stuff like handhelds or web pads, but you go into the automated machinery OSs and these two don't cut it.
yes i realize this. pardon my shorthand, and I'm certain you got the general idea of what I meant here. I also realize there are a plethora of rtos choices, but those promise dominance and are delivering, at least inasmuch as public opinion and hype...
workstation: w2k,
>>>>>>>>>
Huh, funny. NT4 kicks Win2K's ass all over the place on the workstation. If it fits right (ie its got the software you want), then BeOS also makes a great workstation OS. Linux also makes a pretty decent workstation OS that's getting better everyday.
sorry, the directX and hardware support under w2k mops the nt4 legacy into the floor drain at your local starbucks. but I guess that depends on the workstation needs. personally, I'm thinking of graphic endeavors like 3Dstudio and Maya, + all the groovy usb hids like the new wacoms. suer this stuff largely works under nt4, but that support is often just an spX hack. plus, w2k is soooo much easier to administer.
small office server: w2k, novell, osX
>>>>>>>>>>
osx-server is totally unproven. Win2K is easy to admin, but Linux, FreeBSD or Novell are probably best here.
granted osx is unproven, but a damn, gotta go to brunch now! be back later. besides, I have similar light arguments for the remaining answers. the point is, these things are close enough to be argued in the first place, whereas LINUX doesn't really factor into the discussion at any point, huh?
the future of linux is in plastics, son. the kernel is like 'the purr of a cat' whereas w2k is more akin to the firm haunch of your favorite work mule. INTEL IS THE SKELETON of that mule. MCSE's are the blood and corpuscles and select bladders of said mule. linux has no mule yet. only a hairball and WE'VE CAUGHT A MOUSE OR TWO. as you can see, linux will fail until we evolve it to the level of a least a middling-sized dog or goat.
But most of you probably don't like or appreciate non-sensical and groggy morning-time farm-animal analogies and/or house-pet metaphors about OS advocacy. Just keep in mind the principle that oblique strategies uses, wherin a human hears something vague or cryptic and attempts to map meaning to that sentence!!
Otherwise, [li,u]n[i,u]x projects will gradually dissapear now that osx, w2k and the upstart alt-OS's of QNX and BEOS are maturing and we are seeing those OS's implemented throught THE WORLD.
here's a little comparison chart, my friends, of OS uses and the dominant or best choice of OS in each category:
there AREN'T ANY MORE CATEGORIES AND LINUX DIDN"T MAKE THE LIST ONCE. sorry. we'll have to try harder. this is the problem with linux, there is no vision of where to succeed. People all have different opinions of where it should go, there are mobs of developers pushing linux to dominate in EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES, and meanwhile, offering sub-standard maturity in each rather than displaying a modicum of discipline and really cranking out the useful crap. I hope everyone can see where this mob-managed software project is falling short!
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I would like to play Quake or UT with nimble little humanoid robots in a big concrete arena. The robots I envision stand about 2 feet high (.6m) and look the part of the models in games like those mentioned. The weapons they carry are real. You start each game with 10 robots, a new one spawning onto the field after each death- until you run out.
These little buggers would make a great military force for real-world endeavors like Urban Combat and wilderness patrols.
The western world is training a new fighting force without spending a dime. If they were to develop these bots, I would enlist to fight with them.
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
I for one am going to go play some Unreal Tournament while I still can.
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
this was funny 'till you started attacking my masculinity. I'm in college fer chrust's sake. the booody is overwhelming.
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
This was funny, until you started making fun of farmers. That's just not cool. The master says 'be there many producers, few consumers', in deference to the farmer/peasant's role at the top of the confuscian heirarchy (and I paraphrase as you gwailo would not be able to functionally comprehend the subtle nuances).
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
oh really? ever hear of a lobbyist?
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
I don't get what's wrong with you people! This is a workaday lawsuit, commonplace even. Both points of view obviosly have legitimate points-of-view, or the Judge would not hear the case~! Look at it this way: if it came to light that the VALinux people were screwing around with the numbers maliciously, the SEC would step in... But if the VALinux mba's and ca's were simply incompetent, attorneys like Lerach are your only recourse.
You people are clearly letting your emotions about 'linux' guide your contempt for lerach & his cohorts... It looks like the IPO was handled ineptly, and even if there is the slightest chance that gross, incotrovertable negligence is to blame for that, you need to have the situation examined and arbitrated. that is what Tort is all about. And if it turns up that the good ol boys at valinux did make mistakes, somebody somewhere has to pay the piper. WHO BETTER than the dorks that screwed this particular pooch of an IPO? who better to pay up than the party that profitted from the IPO? What? You have NO answer to that? So very fscking good of you to consider the situation before spouting off!!!
Letting your 'feelings' for Linux and/or this particular corporation guide your opinion of this lawsuit is not rational- BY DEFINITION. Do any of you 3117 455 industry analysts and armchair attorneys consider yourselves irrational? NO! You all pride yourselves on your rationality. So wtf are you guys spouting about?
At no point are any of the plaintiffs here being dishonest or malicious. They are fully justified in their minds, and aren't afraid to say it. I'll leave you with this quote from Lerach to chew on. and next time, have some fscking perspective before spewing such uninformed cynicism!
"Like the anti-trust bureaucrats who attack free enterprise in the name of free markets, Lerach defends his aggressive filing of lawsuits as necessary to police private markets. Says Lerach, "Private enforcement of the law, guided by the profit motive, overseen by an independent federal judiciary, working within laws we have all agreed upon through our elected representative, [has a] useful role to play," in keeping markets strong and fair."
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
I don't think there's any reason to be so insulting. I made a mistake, in my haste. I *meant* to say: "
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
People are going to have to realize that the Net is another medium, and it has to be sponsored commercially and it has to play by the rules of the marketplace. You're still going to have sponsorship, advertising, the rules of the game, because it's just necessary to make commerce work. I think that a lot of what some of the original Net god-utopians were thinking is that there was just going to be this sort of huge anarchist, utopian, bliss medium, where there are no rules and everything is just sort of open. That's a great thought, but it's not going to work. And when ebay gets on the ball in a hard fashion it's going to be the people who first create the commerce and the environment, like yahoo, that will be the market leaders..
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
Because the kernel was written from scratch, Linux is technically not Unix but a new operating system .
Nonetheless, short of replicating the code from BSD, Linux owes much of its conceptual and architectural design principles to the example of the BSD. At the same time, Linux has been careful to avoid mistakes the BSD has made. And finally, in its commitment to portability and simplicity, Linux has carried the torch, lit by the fathers of the original Unix, farther than any other systems. The legacy of BSD and other Unix-bases operating systems proved valuable resources and inspiration for the development of Linux. To strip the kernel is just plain foolishness!
Solidus Fullstop, Esq.
talk about knee-jerk, sheesh! all of the office apps can save to html. besides, what would be the point of an office app that can't produce files? don't be a dumbass. people need to write reports. fer fucx sake. since you can simply save them all in html, you can always edit them manually or in another app like star office.
>oh yeah?
embedded: QNX, Beos
>>>>>>>>>>
You do realize that BeOS is a desktop OS and not an embedded one? BeIA is probably what you're referring to. In the embedded market, there are MANY other OSs besides QNX and BeOS. These two are probably best for stuff like handhelds or web pads, but you go into the automated machinery OSs and these two don't cut it.
yes i realize this. pardon my shorthand, and I'm certain you got the general idea of what I meant here. I also realize there are a plethora of rtos choices, but those promise dominance and are delivering, at least inasmuch as public opinion and hype...
workstation: w2k,
>>>>>>>>>
Huh, funny. NT4 kicks Win2K's ass all over the place on the workstation. If it fits right (ie its got the software you want), then BeOS also makes a great workstation OS. Linux also makes a pretty decent workstation OS that's getting better everyday.
sorry, the directX and hardware support under w2k mops the nt4 legacy into the floor drain at your local starbucks. but I guess that depends on the workstation needs. personally, I'm thinking of graphic endeavors like 3Dstudio and Maya, + all the groovy usb hids like the new wacoms. suer this stuff largely works under nt4, but that support is often just an spX hack. plus, w2k is soooo much easier to administer.
small office server: w2k, novell, osX
>>>>>>>>>>
osx-server is totally unproven. Win2K is easy to admin, but Linux, FreeBSD or Novell are probably best here.
granted osx is unproven, but a damn, gotta go to brunch now! be back later. besides, I have similar light arguments for the remaining answers. the point is, these things are close enough to be argued in the first place, whereas LINUX doesn't really factor into the discussion at any point, huh?
>oh yeah?
the future of linux is in plastics, son. the kernel is like 'the purr of a cat' whereas w2k is more akin to the firm haunch of your favorite work mule. INTEL IS THE SKELETON of that mule. MCSE's are the blood and corpuscles and select bladders of said mule. linux has no mule yet. only a hairball and WE'VE CAUGHT A MOUSE OR TWO. as you can see, linux will fail until we evolve it to the level of a least a middling-sized dog or goat.
But most of you probably don't like or appreciate non-sensical and groggy morning-time farm-animal analogies and/or house-pet metaphors about OS advocacy. Just keep in mind the principle that oblique strategies uses, wherin a human hears something vague or cryptic and attempts to map meaning to that sentence!!
Otherwise, [li,u]n[i,u]x projects will gradually dissapear now that osx, w2k and the upstart alt-OS's of QNX and BEOS are maturing and we are seeing those OS's implemented throught THE WORLD.
here's a little comparison chart, my friends, of OS uses and the dominant or best choice of OS in each category:
embedded: QNX, Beos
workstation: w2k,
small office server: w2k, novell, osX
web server: *BSD, w2k
realtime: Inferno, QNX
games: w2k (+aka "whistler")
there AREN'T ANY MORE CATEGORIES AND LINUX DIDN"T MAKE THE LIST ONCE. sorry. we'll have to try harder. this is the problem with linux, there is no vision of where to succeed. People all have different opinions of where it should go, there are mobs of developers pushing linux to dominate in EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES, and meanwhile, offering sub-standard maturity in each rather than displaying a modicum of discipline and really cranking out the useful crap. I hope everyone can see where this mob-managed software project is falling short!
>oh yeah?