>Largest corporate handout in history? Progressive.
not exactly, generally true proggressives give handouts in ways to help the lower class, or at least from a very moralist perspective. A "proggressive" handout to a corporation would generally come with a mandate on how its spent.
proggresivie is the prototype for third position economics, and we haven't seen true proggressives in quite some time.
sssshhh, don't mention that. You see, these political partisans have "Facts" that only last one election cycle. So they use terms like "in history", when they only mean "in my party written political narrative that was especially made for the election cycle where all of history doesn't include anything older than 4 years ago"
I am pretty sure the "Great Society" programs that Kennedy planned, but Johnson implemented, quantify.
It's morons like you that are going to lead to another Bush as President with a GOP House & Senate.
No, its morons like you that will. You try pushing us around, and we stick up to you. We tell you what we feel, and what we want, and you ridicule us, and sell us out to corporate intrests.
When it comes time to vote, you tell us, who we should vote for, and make all kinds fo threats, and we simply fold our arms, and then you blame us for not voting for canidates that ignore us, call us names, and otherwise think of us as shitbags.
sssh, don't tell the partisans that. in the USA political "Facts" have a shelf life not longer than 1 mabey two election cycles. Other than that, they become disputable, and long enough ago, that 20-somethins won't remember, myths, and then "who's heard of that?", "I don't remember".
you don't remember much do you. Your also making wild speculation on "what the president really wants", which has nothing to do with anything except a steady stream of propaganda you've apparantly consumed.
Then don't blame us for not bothering to vote for a corrupt bunch of shitbad capitalist assholes, who are for most intents and purposes just the same as the assholes who get elected. Mabey you should have ran some real canidates.
Speak of "Net Neutrality", at any time Obama can fire Tom Wheeler, who's previous job was a high level lobbyist for exact same corporations he is now in charge of regulating. The democrats made a huge fucking issue out of "the revolving door" policy, and keeping lobbyists from squashing popular intrests, but when it came to stuff we care about, they did just that.
I don't wanna hear it. Your simply blaming the republicans, and with the republicans, everyone who is not a die-hard fact-ignoring partisan democrat, for Obama's voting record, which is less than steller.
I could not only imagine why Obama would wait for the litterally the day after the election, where his party lost horribly to come out in strong support of net neutrality. That would have been an easy win for the dems, who were polling down, if he just came out for net neutrality one fucking week earlier
I spoke too soon, as soon as they announced they'd open the.NET framework, they immediately pull this shit,
an incompatible standard, again.
for time like 1 zillion
no, I am responding to you. You said "we hate success", success at what?
Today I was successfuly at putting on my pants.
a theif who gets away is succesful, a terrorist who completes his "mission" and kills people is "successful".
So what the blazes are you talking about without putting out buzzwords?
I am pretty sure Microsoft is dependant on non-interoperbility. If people could use competing products especially Free ones that were compatible with Office, no one would really bother with Office.
90% of what people do with word documents is type and spell check.
yes actually.
What I'd like from MS is an apology and a statement that they will take their company in a new dirrection.
After all IBM has supported FOSS for decades, and before MS, they used to be more evil than they were. So far, they've been good corporate citizens. If Big Blue can do it, MS can as well.
I am not going forget all of history in one instant, but over time I am willing to see how this shakes out, and if microsoft continues this postive development my opinions of them will change favorably. This is not a whole lot, but a start.
Today, my opinion of microsoft has changed a little bit to the favorable. A little bit. Not a whole lot, but a little bit. If microsoft wants my opinion(and everyone elses) to change for the better, they can continue what they've done today in regards to Freedom and Openness.
its because no one likes being on the terrorist watch list, and if you have a strong political opinion that doesn't jive with either party, in the act of organizing, you *will* do something that they can contrive to have you put on the list.
He's not a scientist, he never discovered a vaccine
He's not a lab technician, he never synthesized any vaccines, or fixed the machines that do the work.
He's not a forklift operator, loading vaccines into or off of airplanes, nor the pilot who flies them, not a crew on a boat to do the same.
He's not a doctor, he doesn't administer vaccines, or travel to third world countries
He's not a nurse assisting the doctor and administering vaccines
heck he's not even a travel or logistics person doing the cordination
How is he saving lives, this gotta be good. Most likely you are going to name things other people have done, and ignore the work of public and government operations doing far more, on a far larger scale. He is saving no one. He is simply pressing buttons and moving money around bank accounts while other people save the world.
Microsoft knows exactly what corporate purchasing managers want, and buy and large they are the only people who really buy microsoft products with any enthusiasm. Its "what they always used", its a "conservative choice", and "no one ever got fired for buying microsoft products", so its a safe bet, that even if your MS product performs at all, you won't loose your job, because its socially acceptable to buy microsoft, and even if it fails, and you eventually go with someone else, its not your fault.
If you work for a large corporation, which has no real risk of going out of business for a decision like that, and your not the CEO, or owner, and don't give a shit if the company looses money overall, then the descision to buy microsoft is good.
End users, when given another choice, never chose microsoft, with the exception of the xbox, and that looses money.
I think plain old "capitalism" itself fits the description. The only time that capitalism ever appeared to work at all is with massive government intervention, and regulation. Even then regulation and government causes new problems.
Capitalism doesn't work because its capitalism.
and if you dare do as much as offer the most base critique of this system, you are a communist, and therefor a terrorist. Its funny how that projection works.
Even if your claim of a desktop OS monopoly was true
Microsoft has 90% of the market desktop share. It got this position through law suits, and insider dealing to keep other OS's off PCs. It even threatened legal action to anyone who shipped a computer capable of running windows without windows.(to include other OSs)
being a monopoly isn't in itself bad
being a monopoly is terrible, because people do not have a choice in using a product. A company can sell products without fear of people choosing a competing product, because there are none. prices go up, quality goes down. Company has no incentive to listen to what the people want.
I mean isn't that the argument that people have against communism in the first place? your not a commie are you?
Microsoft's announcement today of opening.NET, providing VS to small teams gratis, and providing an Android emulator within VS (and standalone) all point to the face that Microsoft isn't attempting to stifle competition on desktop, mobile, or anywhere else.
its a very new reversal of policy. Consider this, 20 years ago, microsoft tried labeling Free Open Souce Software developers as terrorists and have the barred entry to the country, calling them all communists. They went as far to try and use the state security aparatus against the competition.
I welcome the news of.NET openess greatly, and hopefully microsoft can reverse course, but history does not simply go away.
mabey next your going to say we "hate freedom" or any other of those buzzwords people like you have when people don't hold the exact same values as you.
I understand the source of the fear, but the idea that some company is going to make zillions in selling this to school boards on the off beat chance it ever happens there just seems a little shady.
the source of this fear is media driven hysteria, nothing more.
This company is going to bilk public education billions of dollars when many schools lack proper funding for educating related functions.
but aparantly, the only public spending in the US that is acceptable is on defense and police. Then its "hog wild".
Even when they talk about "mental illness" they talk about from the stand point of a law enforcement standpoint.
fucking disgusting.
>You need to read a bit more history - try looking at the history of the working poor in Britain in the 18th and 19th centuries. While the slaves were treated appallingly the ordinary white poor were frequently treated even worse. Children were used as workers, they were indentured, they worked seven days a week, were paid a pittance in company money (ie not real money) - in places like the mines or the worse factories 60 - 70% of them died before they even reached adulthood. Wealth defined everything so the life of a poor person was often worth almost nothing, a pauper stealing a loaf of bread would carry a more severe punishment than someone with money killing a child if they were destitute. Many poor starved to death or died of disease, and the 'Christian' moral codes of the time said that anyone without money was by definition a criminal and amoral and their lives literally worth nothing.*
haha. I know my history pretty well, but yeah, lets discuss that for a second.
yeah, no one likes to talk about white on white oppression, and this "civilized" nation improving the lot of those poor savage Africans. It appears by your own admission, whites of the time weren't any more "civilized" than the africans they were enslaving.
Slaves were not treated any better than the poor however.(at least for the most part), but thanks for smashing any notion of morality of white society pre-liberalism.
Slavery helped no one but slaveowners, peroid. There was no silver lining to it. The evolution of Europe from a feudalist shithole to a proggresive one has more to do with no one preventing them from changing. Africa(and the middle east to a lesser extent), had outside european forces enforcing european despotism down there throats. Thats why modern Africa is a shithole.
>You spend a lot of time accusing me of using strawman fallacies, but then literally tell me that my position isn't my position. Come the hell on. You're supposed to wait a little bit before you try to rewrite history.
Your being dishonest. You litterally said that there is a mainstream, defined by those who pay money to establish it, other positions are invalid. You also linked popularity with how money is spent promoting the decision, not actually what a plurality of people believe.
>My weak point is responding to trolls who HAVE TO BE not using the quote function or the spell checker built into their browser correctly to piss me off.
so anyone who dares critize you is a troll. Am I part of a conspiracy too, mabey Obama and Soros are involved. This is beginning to sounds all too familar, just swapping "vast rightwing conspiracy" with "vast leftwing conspiracy"
>Your evidence didn't really show what you think it did, and in any case, it isn't valid any more
actually it did, and you've provided nothing to counter it.
> I'll find you an opinion poll of the 2014 electorate that says that nobody is in favor of a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United
again, strawman, no one is asking for a constitutional amendment, simply a reversal of the ruling.
> If your next post is grammatically correct, you use the Slashdot quote function correctly at least once, and all the words are spelled correctly
to be honest, if your next post doesn't contain hideous loops, holes, in logic, vast assumptions, personal attacks, and conspiracy, I'll post even more links
>Again, you're the one in favor of letting the government harass people for saying things the government dislikes.
you seem to be OK with it as long as its people you don't like. But lets compare what we are talking about, ruing of lives, executions, jail sentances, physical assault with.....
the mild inconvience of loosing tax exempt status.
school shootings are not really an issue, and are extremely rare.
what is a real issue is the fact our high schools are run like prisons. Thats a real problem with chilling effects on society.
I will also not accept your concept of "mental health", because its nothing more than "pre-crime" and a shadow law enforcement with no other goal than to identify potential criminals before they commit a crime, and subdue them. With it, are horrid stereotypes as such.
The real issues Americans have is we are overworked, underpaid, and we quick to be turned on by our neighbors out of fear we are working with one of the various "enemy of the state", the government has constructed in the last 50 years,
How many school shootings actually happen, and how many people actually die from them?
I find this utter waste of education department money un-acceptable, and I can no longer take anyone in the public education system who would ever agree to this system seriously if they are asking for a biger budget again.
Of all the major problems facing our schools today, random shootings by "crazy" or disgruntled students is not one of them.
We all easily laugh, at either FOX News, or Alex Jones, but this is something so paranoid, it belongs in the same catagory as Alex Jones.
There is niether a problem with guns, nor a problem with mental illness, outside of course the paranoid delusions of politicians, some business people, PTA members, the media, and of course the private prison industry.
The actual numbers of shoot deaths, per actual statistics paint a far diffrent view than what gets reported in the news.
Even if it did, 30,000 Americans die from guns every year, total, from all causes, with around half being accidents. another 40,000 die from drug abuse related causes. All drugs including heroin and speed.
Both of them combined, still are barely more than half the 110,00 Americans that die every year from obesity.
We often complain that our schools are horridly underfunded, and spending $100,000 a school for this is dangerously irresponsible, and will take money away from things children actually need to learn, or perhaps eat better.
Yes, spending that $100,000 per school aimed at improving the nutrition of school lunches would do more to protect the children against a horrible death than all the anti-shooter mechanisms in the world. I am also guessing that is not politically correct enough.
Niether is spending that $20,000-$100,000 per school in a computer lab, where we can teach kids skills that would lead to more American workers in technology. If we really need H1B visas, then surely American students would have no trouble finding well paying jobs if so trained?
Next is the hideous conversation we have on "mental health", in the US. It seems soley around funding the law enforcement aspect of it. Identifying, and incarcerating criminals before they commit crimes. With this, comes the hideous bias and stereotypes of what we percieve social enemies to be. Certainly not about helping people with ADD, OCD, anexiety disorders, through their lives, or making things easier for them.
Before we can even begin to have a conversation on how absurd the notion "protecting against school shooting" is, we are forced into the "guns vs mental health debate", and agreeing with a false premise.
I put my foot down no more. This is nothing more than a continuation of the war on the poor, war on crime, war on drugs, and war on terrorism. Enough already, I had enough of living in a prison state. I am asking my fellow slashdot to combat this nonsense, by raising their voices and refusing to accept it.
excuse me the adults are having a conversation here. you wouldn't happen to be related to whats-his-name who always made some dire predictions of FOSS and open systems, who actually did eat his words on stage?
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>Largest corporate handout in history? Progressive. not exactly, generally true proggressives give handouts in ways to help the lower class, or at least from a very moralist perspective. A "proggressive" handout to a corporation would generally come with a mandate on how its spent. proggresivie is the prototype for third position economics, and we haven't seen true proggressives in quite some time.
sssshhh, don't mention that. You see, these political partisans have "Facts" that only last one election cycle. So they use terms like "in history", when they only mean "in my party written political narrative that was especially made for the election cycle where all of history doesn't include anything older than 4 years ago"
It's morons like you that are going to lead to another Bush as President with a GOP House & Senate.
No, its morons like you that will. You try pushing us around, and we stick up to you. We tell you what we feel, and what we want, and you ridicule us, and sell us out to corporate intrests.
When it comes time to vote, you tell us, who we should vote for, and make all kinds fo threats, and we simply fold our arms, and then you blame us for not voting for canidates that ignore us, call us names, and otherwise think of us as shitbags.
If someone wants our votes, they need to earn it.
sssh, don't tell the partisans that. in the USA political "Facts" have a shelf life not longer than 1 mabey two election cycles. Other than that, they become disputable, and long enough ago, that 20-somethins won't remember, myths, and then "who's heard of that?", "I don't remember".
Then don't blame us for not bothering to vote for a corrupt bunch of shitbad capitalist assholes, who are for most intents and purposes just the same as the assholes who get elected. Mabey you should have ran some real canidates.
Speak of "Net Neutrality", at any time Obama can fire Tom Wheeler, who's previous job was a high level lobbyist for exact same corporations he is now in charge of regulating. The democrats made a huge fucking issue out of "the revolving door" policy, and keeping lobbyists from squashing popular intrests, but when it came to stuff we care about, they did just that.
I don't wanna hear it. Your simply blaming the republicans, and with the republicans, everyone who is not a die-hard fact-ignoring partisan democrat, for Obama's voting record, which is less than steller.
I could not only imagine why Obama would wait for the litterally the day after the election, where his party lost horribly to come out in strong support of net neutrality. That would have been an easy win for the dems, who were polling down, if he just came out for net neutrality one fucking week earlier
I spoke too soon, as soon as they announced they'd open the .NET framework, they immediately pull this shit,
an incompatible standard, again.
for time like 1 zillion
no, I am responding to you. You said "we hate success", success at what? Today I was successfuly at putting on my pants. a theif who gets away is succesful, a terrorist who completes his "mission" and kills people is "successful". So what the blazes are you talking about without putting out buzzwords?
I am pretty sure Microsoft is dependant on non-interoperbility. If people could use competing products especially Free ones that were compatible with Office, no one would really bother with Office. 90% of what people do with word documents is type and spell check.
yes actually. What I'd like from MS is an apology and a statement that they will take their company in a new dirrection. After all IBM has supported FOSS for decades, and before MS, they used to be more evil than they were. So far, they've been good corporate citizens. If Big Blue can do it, MS can as well. I am not going forget all of history in one instant, but over time I am willing to see how this shakes out, and if microsoft continues this postive development my opinions of them will change favorably. This is not a whole lot, but a start. Today, my opinion of microsoft has changed a little bit to the favorable. A little bit. Not a whole lot, but a little bit. If microsoft wants my opinion(and everyone elses) to change for the better, they can continue what they've done today in regards to Freedom and Openness.
its because no one likes being on the terrorist watch list, and if you have a strong political opinion that doesn't jive with either party, in the act of organizing, you *will* do something that they can contrive to have you put on the list.
we'll see what happens. I can't see this being bad. If nothing else, it will help mono and wine development.
at least by your standards.
He's not a scientist, he never discovered a vaccine
He's not a lab technician, he never synthesized any vaccines, or fixed the machines that do the work.
He's not a forklift operator, loading vaccines into or off of airplanes, nor the pilot who flies them, not a crew on a boat to do the same.
He's not a doctor, he doesn't administer vaccines, or travel to third world countries
He's not a nurse assisting the doctor and administering vaccines
heck he's not even a travel or logistics person doing the cordination
How is he saving lives, this gotta be good. Most likely you are going to name things other people have done, and ignore the work of public and government operations doing far more, on a far larger scale. He is saving no one. He is simply pressing buttons and moving money around bank accounts while other people save the world.
I wonder who is pushing that?
Its not like microsoft ever had paid goons show up and heckle/harrass.
Microsoft knows exactly what corporate purchasing managers want, and buy and large they are the only people who really buy microsoft products with any enthusiasm. Its "what they always used", its a "conservative choice", and "no one ever got fired for buying microsoft products", so its a safe bet, that even if your MS product performs at all, you won't loose your job, because its socially acceptable to buy microsoft, and even if it fails, and you eventually go with someone else, its not your fault.
If you work for a large corporation, which has no real risk of going out of business for a decision like that, and your not the CEO, or owner, and don't give a shit if the company looses money overall, then the descision to buy microsoft is good.
End users, when given another choice, never chose microsoft, with the exception of the xbox, and that looses money.
I think plain old "capitalism" itself fits the description. The only time that capitalism ever appeared to work at all is with massive government intervention, and regulation. Even then regulation and government causes new problems. Capitalism doesn't work because its capitalism.
and if you dare do as much as offer the most base critique of this system, you are a communist, and therefor a terrorist. Its funny how that projection works.
Even if your claim of a desktop OS monopoly was true
Microsoft has 90% of the market desktop share. It got this position through law suits, and insider dealing to keep other OS's off PCs. It even threatened legal action to anyone who shipped a computer capable of running windows without windows.(to include other OSs)
being a monopoly isn't in itself bad
being a monopoly is terrible, because people do not have a choice in using a product. A company can sell products without fear of people choosing a competing product, because there are none. prices go up, quality goes down. Company has no incentive to listen to what the people want. I mean isn't that the argument that people have against communism in the first place? your not a commie are you?
illegal
Well that really depends. Monopolies can be illegal. Wikipedia: US anti-trust laws
Microsoft's announcement today of opening .NET, providing VS to small teams gratis, and providing an Android emulator within VS (and standalone) all point to the face that Microsoft isn't attempting to stifle competition on desktop, mobile, or anywhere else.
its a very new reversal of policy. Consider this, 20 years ago, microsoft tried labeling Free Open Souce Software developers as terrorists and have the barred entry to the country, calling them all communists. They went as far to try and use the state security aparatus against the competition. I welcome the news of .NET openess greatly, and hopefully microsoft can reverse course, but history does not simply go away.
what the fuck are you talking about?
mabey next your going to say we "hate freedom" or any other of those buzzwords people like you have when people don't hold the exact same values as you.
I understand the source of the fear, but the idea that some company is going to make zillions in selling this to school boards on the off beat chance it ever happens there just seems a little shady.
the source of this fear is media driven hysteria, nothing more. This company is going to bilk public education billions of dollars when many schools lack proper funding for educating related functions. but aparantly, the only public spending in the US that is acceptable is on defense and police. Then its "hog wild". Even when they talk about "mental illness" they talk about from the stand point of a law enforcement standpoint. fucking disgusting.
>You need to read a bit more history - try looking at the history of the working poor in Britain in the 18th and 19th centuries. While the slaves were treated appallingly the ordinary white poor were frequently treated even worse. Children were used as workers, they were indentured, they worked seven days a week, were paid a pittance in company money (ie not real money) - in places like the mines or the worse factories 60 - 70% of them died before they even reached adulthood. Wealth defined everything so the life of a poor person was often worth almost nothing, a pauper stealing a loaf of bread would carry a more severe punishment than someone with money killing a child if they were destitute. Many poor starved to death or died of disease, and the 'Christian' moral codes of the time said that anyone without money was by definition a criminal and amoral and their lives literally worth nothing.*
haha. I know my history pretty well, but yeah, lets discuss that for a second.
yeah, no one likes to talk about white on white oppression, and this "civilized" nation improving the lot of those poor savage Africans. It appears by your own admission, whites of the time weren't any more "civilized" than the africans they were enslaving.
Slaves were not treated any better than the poor however.(at least for the most part), but thanks for smashing any notion of morality of white society pre-liberalism.
Slavery helped no one but slaveowners, peroid. There was no silver lining to it. The evolution of Europe from a feudalist shithole to a proggresive one has more to do with no one preventing them from changing. Africa(and the middle east to a lesser extent), had outside european forces enforcing european despotism down there throats. Thats why modern Africa is a shithole.
>You spend a lot of time accusing me of using strawman fallacies, but then literally tell me that my position isn't my position. Come the hell on. You're supposed to wait a little bit before you try to rewrite history.
Your being dishonest. You litterally said that there is a mainstream, defined by those who pay money to establish it, other positions are invalid. You also linked popularity with how money is spent promoting the decision, not actually what a plurality of people believe.
>My weak point is responding to trolls who HAVE TO BE not using the quote function or the spell checker built into their browser correctly to piss me off.
so anyone who dares critize you is a troll. Am I part of a conspiracy too, mabey Obama and Soros are involved. This is beginning to sounds all too familar, just swapping "vast rightwing conspiracy" with "vast leftwing conspiracy"
>Your evidence didn't really show what you think it did, and in any case, it isn't valid any more
actually it did, and you've provided nothing to counter it.
> I'll find you an opinion poll of the 2014 electorate that says that nobody is in favor of a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United
again, strawman, no one is asking for a constitutional amendment, simply a reversal of the ruling.
> If your next post is grammatically correct, you use the Slashdot quote function correctly at least once, and all the words are spelled correctly
to be honest, if your next post doesn't contain hideous loops, holes, in logic, vast assumptions, personal attacks, and conspiracy, I'll post even more links
>Again, you're the one in favor of letting the government harass people for saying things the government dislikes.
you seem to be OK with it as long as its people you don't like. But lets compare what we are talking about, ruing of lives, executions, jail sentances, physical assault with.....
the mild inconvience of loosing tax exempt status.
*my sides*
there is no real problem.
school shootings are not really an issue, and are extremely rare.
what is a real issue is the fact our high schools are run like prisons. Thats a real problem with chilling effects on society.
I will also not accept your concept of "mental health", because its nothing more than "pre-crime" and a shadow law enforcement with no other goal than to identify potential criminals before they commit a crime, and subdue them. With it, are horrid stereotypes as such.
The real issues Americans have is we are overworked, underpaid, and we quick to be turned on by our neighbors out of fear we are working with one of the various "enemy of the state", the government has constructed in the last 50 years,
How many school shootings actually happen, and how many people actually die from them?
I find this utter waste of education department money un-acceptable, and I can no longer take anyone in the public education system who would ever agree to this system seriously if they are asking for a biger budget again.
Of all the major problems facing our schools today, random shootings by "crazy" or disgruntled students is not one of them.
We all easily laugh, at either FOX News, or Alex Jones, but this is something so paranoid, it belongs in the same catagory as Alex Jones.
There is niether a problem with guns, nor a problem with mental illness, outside of course the paranoid delusions of politicians, some business people, PTA members, the media, and of course the private prison industry.
The actual numbers of shoot deaths, per actual statistics paint a far diffrent view than what gets reported in the news.
Even if it did, 30,000 Americans die from guns every year, total, from all causes, with around half being accidents. another 40,000 die from drug abuse related causes. All drugs including heroin and speed.
Both of them combined, still are barely more than half the 110,00 Americans that die every year from obesity.
We often complain that our schools are horridly underfunded, and spending $100,000 a school for this is dangerously irresponsible, and will take money away from things children actually need to learn, or perhaps eat better.
Yes, spending that $100,000 per school aimed at improving the nutrition of school lunches would do more to protect the children against a horrible death than all the anti-shooter mechanisms in the world. I am also guessing that is not politically correct enough.
Niether is spending that $20,000-$100,000 per school in a computer lab, where we can teach kids skills that would lead to more American workers in technology. If we really need H1B visas, then surely American students would have no trouble finding well paying jobs if so trained?
Next is the hideous conversation we have on "mental health", in the US. It seems soley around funding the law enforcement aspect of it. Identifying, and incarcerating criminals before they commit crimes. With this, comes the hideous bias and stereotypes of what we percieve social enemies to be. Certainly not about helping people with ADD, OCD, anexiety disorders, through their lives, or making things easier for them.
Before we can even begin to have a conversation on how absurd the notion "protecting against school shooting" is, we are forced into the "guns vs mental health debate", and agreeing with a false premise.
I put my foot down no more. This is nothing more than a continuation of the war on the poor, war on crime, war on drugs, and war on terrorism. Enough already, I had enough of living in a prison state. I am asking my fellow slashdot to combat this nonsense, by raising their voices and refusing to accept it.
>open sores!
excuse me the adults are having a conversation here. you wouldn't happen to be related to whats-his-name who always made some dire predictions of FOSS and open systems, who actually did eat his words on stage?