They suffer as the "cool woman" because they don't want to risk retaliation or ostracization.
Women will NEVER achieve equal status if they keep playing the victim and trying to force the world to adapt to their needs. Men learn very quickly in life not to come in the middle of a group of guys (or girls) and make demands. When a guy does that he will be at the very least ostracized, if he is lucky.
Women are no different. If they behave like reasonable people they will be more likely than not very well treated, but if they feel entitled to special treatment and to demand changes to accommodate them, they will keep being ostracized, simple as that.
she's willing to tell guys, Linus no less, to fuck off.
And so she should, and she would more likely than not be told to fuck off too. Guess which of the parties would start to cry and say foul?
Depends on the results it achieves. I personally don't like Bush, certainly not because of his manners, but because of some of his policies, but he managed to conduce US for 8 years and did less damage than the current president as far as I can see. To be honest most of those policies that I found abhorrent in Bush's mandate have been kept untouched by Obama, even though he seems to be a much nicer person. See? Being nice has nothing to do with results.
As I said we already have enough salesmen in this world.
The communication you need to "sell" stuff isn't the same you need to manage a group of developers. The fact is, no matter how much you dislike him, his way works. So did Steve Job's, whose behavior wasn't much different than that, and to be honest from most CEOs out there. When you are a leader you don't need to be nice, it is actually a hindrance trying to be so.
Do not try to push at me your hypersensitivity and your own very personal definitions of "abuse". If you can't take it, it is your problem. man up and deal with it.
...you don't realize that the very act of claiming somebody else is using the victim card is...using a victim card...
I am not sure where you took that conclusion from, but I suspect is from your ass. This is not even a fallacy, it is simply a completely illogical statement. Not letting someone play you for a fool by attempting to play the victim is very different than playing victim yourself, my friend. Please, come back to this argument when you realize that.
Then he would still be a drama queen. I see a lot less guys behaving like this, but it is not something I can claim I never saw. They usually are ejected very quickly though and that is why there aren't a lot of them.
Unfortunately people seem to be more a lot more lenient with women, and the overprotective and vague laws that turn everything into discrimination do not help anybody either. They actually turn unknown women into potential liabilities, which is bad for everybody.
Everybody has the right to live in ignorance. Living in ignorance is a personal choice and it is your prerogative. You, for example, seem to be very found of living like this and I support your right to do so.
And being a man is exactly that, it is recognizing that the world does not conform to your tastes. It is understanding that people YOU think are a "man-child whose narcissistic is quickly outpacing his usefulness" do not have any obligation to accommodate your views or to treat you like you think they should. It is being able to deal with that a function, which you clearly are not.
Maybe your data is anecdotal. I am still to see somebody being condemned to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for copyright infringement in Korea, for example. I am still to see someone being threatened with 30 years or more of prison for an attempt to share information that was publicly founded. I could go on and on. The influence corporations have in US is in excess of anything they have out there, even SK.
This is about someone new coming along and being surprised that the mailing list isn't even remotely like normal corporate politeness.
But this is a woman, and although there are women that are cool and reasonable and men who are drama queens, this one is a stereotypical female drama queen in all her glory, and people like her are those that make the lives of other competent and cool women a lot harder.
There is nothing wrong with being polite when you judge it to be adequate. There is a lot wrong with being forced to be polite when you don't judge it adequate because someone feels offended.
Language's main objective is to transmit information. When you stop using words and expressions because you think they are rude, or offensive, when you stop saying things because you think people will be hurt you are altering the meaning of what you want to transmit, because no two words mean exactly the same thing.
Sometimes it is necessary to do so, but doing so as a principle cripples the language, and when you cripple the language you sooner or later cripple critical thinking that opposes the mainstream thinking.
That is the whole technique used in 1984 by introducing the Newspeak. You should read this book, it will be enlightening I promise. You will see a lot of similarities between the the Politically Correct doctrine and the books's Nationalist doctrine that was indoctrinated into people.
And hope that the person who takes over after him does not follow suit. And I do think it is a quality worth respect. We are full of politically correct idiocy in this world. It is past time people start to say what they really mean without fear of offending others. Nobody has the right to live their lives without being offended, and it is part of being an adult to learn to "take it like a man".
You can always try to change things you have little chance to change, but don't come crying when you fail, nor try to play the victim card.
And I do not agree with your indoctrinated bullshit. "Professionalism" is not and won't ever be a good thing. Most worth things created in this world came from unprofessional people. And cursing is a tool as any other despite your prejudices and oversensibilities regarding it.
I appreciate people who can say "I disagree with you and don't like your decision" without also resorting to an ultimatium to "do it my way or I won't play."
However you may feel about it, that is a motive why companies and kernel development groups are not democracies. If you can't take direct orders you can't work in group.
Nah, more like: "Behave like everybody else and stop playing the victim card every time somebody says or does something you don't like. The world won't adapt to your needs, princess."
Exactly. Women like this, with this kind of whiny demanding behavior should be ejected on sight from any group. They are toxic. You don't suddenly come in the middle of a group and demand it to change to adapt to your queenly tastes, YOU adapt or go somewhere else.
That is part of what he is, and he won't change. You accept this or not, it is your choice. If you do not you can fork your own Kernel and live your life away from him.
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They suffer as the "cool woman" because they don't want to risk retaliation or ostracization.
Women will NEVER achieve equal status if they keep playing the victim and trying to force the world to adapt to their needs. Men learn very quickly in life not to come in the middle of a group of guys (or girls) and make demands. When a guy does that he will be at the very least ostracized, if he is lucky.
Women are no different. If they behave like reasonable people they will be more likely than not very well treated, but if they feel entitled to special treatment and to demand changes to accommodate them, they will keep being ostracized, simple as that.
she's willing to tell guys, Linus no less, to fuck off.
And so she should, and she would more likely than not be told to fuck off too. Guess which of the parties would start to cry and say foul?
Depends on the results it achieves. I personally don't like Bush, certainly not because of his manners, but because of some of his policies, but he managed to conduce US for 8 years and did less damage than the current president as far as I can see. To be honest most of those policies that I found abhorrent in Bush's mandate have been kept untouched by Obama, even though he seems to be a much nicer person. See? Being nice has nothing to do with results.
As I said we already have enough salesmen in this world.
The communication you need to "sell" stuff isn't the same you need to manage a group of developers. The fact is, no matter how much you dislike him, his way works. So did Steve Job's, whose behavior wasn't much different than that, and to be honest from most CEOs out there. When you are a leader you don't need to be nice, it is actually a hindrance trying to be so.
Do not try to push at me your hypersensitivity and your own very personal definitions of "abuse". If you can't take it, it is your problem. man up and deal with it.
I won't, I will break yours instead. :)
Sure, but we already have enough sellers. We don't really need more, my friend. ;)
...you don't realize that the very act of claiming somebody else is using the victim card is...using a victim card...
I am not sure where you took that conclusion from, but I suspect is from your ass. This is not even a fallacy, it is simply a completely illogical statement. Not letting someone play you for a fool by attempting to play the victim is very different than playing victim yourself, my friend. Please, come back to this argument when you realize that.
Then he would still be a drama queen. I see a lot less guys behaving like this, but it is not something I can claim I never saw. They usually are ejected very quickly though and that is why there aren't a lot of them.
Unfortunately people seem to be more a lot more lenient with women, and the overprotective and vague laws that turn everything into discrimination do not help anybody either. They actually turn unknown women into potential liabilities, which is bad for everybody.
My mistake. I meant "sensitive" not "sensible".
Everybody has the right to live in ignorance. Living in ignorance is a personal choice and it is your prerogative. You, for example, seem to be very found of living like this and I support your right to do so.
And being a man is exactly that, it is recognizing that the world does not conform to your tastes. It is understanding that people YOU think are a "man-child whose narcissistic is quickly outpacing his usefulness" do not have any obligation to accommodate your views or to treat you like you think they should. It is being able to deal with that a function, which you clearly are not.
Maybe your data is anecdotal. I am still to see somebody being condemned to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for copyright infringement in Korea, for example. I am still to see someone being threatened with 30 years or more of prison for an attempt to share information that was publicly founded. I could go on and on. The influence corporations have in US is in excess of anything they have out there, even SK.
But it produces results, unlike those nonexistent other kernels made by oversensitive whiny "professional" guys, like you.
This is about someone new coming along and being surprised that the mailing list isn't even remotely like normal corporate politeness.
But this is a woman, and although there are women that are cool and reasonable and men who are drama queens, this one is a stereotypical female drama queen in all her glory, and people like her are those that make the lives of other competent and cool women a lot harder.
Likewise.
There is nothing wrong with being polite when you judge it to be adequate. There is a lot wrong with being forced to be polite when you don't judge it adequate because someone feels offended.
Language's main objective is to transmit information. When you stop using words and expressions because you think they are rude, or offensive, when you stop saying things because you think people will be hurt you are altering the meaning of what you want to transmit, because no two words mean exactly the same thing.
Sometimes it is necessary to do so, but doing so as a principle cripples the language, and when you cripple the language you sooner or later cripple critical thinking that opposes the mainstream thinking.
That is the whole technique used in 1984 by introducing the Newspeak. You should read this book, it will be enlightening I promise. You will see a lot of similarities between the the Politically Correct doctrine and the books's Nationalist doctrine that was indoctrinated into people.
But it often means being misunderstood, which is exactly what he tries to avoid. Subtlety and politeness are harmful traits in a leader.
Apparently not, because some people, like this woman, keep complaining about the things that are supposedly "done".
And hope that the person who takes over after him does not follow suit. And I do think it is a quality worth respect. We are full of politically correct idiocy in this world. It is past time people start to say what they really mean without fear of offending others. Nobody has the right to live their lives without being offended, and it is part of being an adult to learn to "take it like a man".
In my opinion, any person sensible enough to feel antagonized by it at this level is a drama queen and is better off.
And I do not agree with your indoctrinated bullshit. "Professionalism" is not and won't ever be a good thing. Most worth things created in this world came from unprofessional people. And cursing is a tool as any other despite your prejudices and oversensibilities regarding it.
I appreciate people who can say "I disagree with you and don't like your decision" without also resorting to an ultimatium to "do it my way or I won't play."
However you may feel about it, that is a motive why companies and kernel development groups are not democracies. If you can't take direct orders you can't work in group.
Nah, more like: "Behave like everybody else and stop playing the victim card every time somebody says or does something you don't like. The world won't adapt to your needs, princess."
I am not THAT naive, my friend.
The world must seem to simple to someone as simpleminded as you, doesn't it?
Exactly. Women like this, with this kind of whiny demanding behavior should be ejected on sight from any group. They are toxic. You don't suddenly come in the middle of a group and demand it to change to adapt to your queenly tastes, YOU adapt or go somewhere else.
That is part of what he is, and he won't change. You accept this or not, it is your choice. If you do not you can fork your own Kernel and live your life away from him.