No the US couldn't extradite him directly in these circumstances, and the US do want to extradite him, rest assured.
And apparently you don't even read what the people you are arguing with write. As I said US don't need to make him disappear. US can legally make his life hell and possibly execute him for espionage if he is brought to its jurisdiction. US is a corporate police state, you are just too naive to realize this.
And no, Diplomacy does not need to be kept secret. It is this kind of thinking that is turning US into a police state.
Sweden may not extradite him to US, but then again it may, and you can't guarantee it won't anymore than I can guarantee it will.
And US doesn't need to make him disappear or bring him to an unknown location. They will just judge him by their draconian espionage laws and "legally" condemn him there, and in the meanwhile they will make anything they can stick to him.
Wikileaks is what wikileaks members want it to be. You may not like it. It is your prerrogative, but there are those who support it and it is there to stay. Contrary to your belief it is not Wikileaks that "embarrasses so many countries" it is those countries diplomatic ineptitudes and their dirty games. It is past time for the world to know US for what it is a dirty and manipulative government, and if they are so offended by this image it is a great opportunity to change their attitude.
Yes, he would be expelled, as long as they can find the guy and you can prove he did it, as would happen in the convention in question. Your word is no better than the word of anyone else just because you are a woman. Nobody has the obligation to take the truth for granted from you.
No there isn't that "need". It is no coincidences the accusations appeared when he became an inconvenient to US. It is beyond obvious that there is a political agenda here.
It astonishes me how naive people can be. After what happened in the Piratebay trial it should be obvious that the Swedish government bows to US interests whenever it is convenient to them.
As I said above I stand corrected. Brazil has a few cases of extradition, which are restricted by the rules of our treaty which allows it only for some very specific crimes, none of which applies to Assange.
And even though I am not exactly a fan of PT and their policies I am quite sure they would never ever ever deliver an anti-US political activist to US. Never. For Gods sake they didn't even deliver a terrorist back to Italy. And for better or worse (most likely worse) PT is due to stay in power for a long time yet.
Corruption in Brazil is indeed a very grave problem (as it is in US too) but in this case it is irrelevant. There is no political sense in doing anything other than conceding asylum to Assage if asked.
This treaty was signed in the military regimen, it is limited to some very specific crimes (which are crimes in both countries) and conditions and it requires a judgement of the supreme tribunal of justice, which here will take at the very least a years. It does not apply even to money laundering, for example, and a lot of white collar crimes.
But I stand corrected. We have never extradited "political criminals" to US. We have sent drug lords and assassins back on occasion.
Don't worry, you won't ever have me there, rest assured. I am a highly qualified professional. If by any chance I decide to move out of Brazil I would probably go to a country that values that, like Canada or Australia, and never to US.
That said I don't dislike US. I dislike US politics of messing with which is not their business.
We don't need to compete with US either military or economically and I don't see it ever happening to be honest. We just need to be what we already are. Nothing good to US would come from hostilizing us. US has far more to lose than to gain by playing tough with us. Even without significant military power we are in a very comfortable position regarding Sovereignty.
2) Old School backed US coups usually involve military action. There was none in Paraguay. It was a dirty move by the congress, but it was done within their laws.
Which come mostly from Mexico. It is a LOT harder to go there and cross your borders from here (it is kind of far, you know), especially from the very poor people who would be most tempted to do so.
Besides that, moving to a country with a better economy in the hope of having a better life has nothing to do with liking said country. It has a lot more to do with lack of perspective where you are.
Don't worry. From there he can easily come to Brazil. We have never extradited anyone to US and won't start anytime soon. South America is probably the best place in the world for him to run. Nobody here likes US (and that includes most governments)
South America has gone a long way from the time it was easily manipulated by US. If anything it is getting more hostile to US as time goes, and if US decides to push it too hard it may end losing a lot more than it can possibly win.
You do what everyone does in life in everything: you decide based on the imperfect information you have. Having imperfect information is no excuse for inaction.
The problem is wanting to give overbroad "messages" to people because someone did something you didn't like. When the act is illegal and the person can be found proper punishment is given in these conventions as happens basically everywhere else, but you can't really expect for a event with 18K people to be 100% safe. You will get exactly the same problem in concerts, night clubs, stadiums or any place a lot of people are put together in a relatively small space.
One of the best possible answers to this article was in a commentary by a female reader (schachin) in the same page:
First, I must preface I am not saying these things do not happen and I will not take away from anyone's experience as these situations are inexcusable and horrific, but I do want to chime in and say they do not happen to ALL women.
I have been attending tech conferences for going on 6 years now. This year was my 2nd BlackHat, 3rd Defcon, I also speak at average 4-5 conferences in an associated industry each year. While I won't say I have never experienced an idiot or two (but wouldn't you in any situation) OVERALL the men have been supportive, giving, generous and career boosting. They are also very protective over me and if anyone treated me this way I know the person would find himself in a very bad way very quickly. That being said.
I worry when I see posts like this because though I am 1000% positive there are a few bad apples in a conference the size of Defcon (18k) I don't believe wholesale that there are a plethora of bad aggressive idiot men attending.
Most of the men I meet are respectful and helpful and by othering the men you separate women further and create and atmosphere where men are afraid to speak or befriend as they might offend.
So again, I do not wish to in any way detract or minimize the horrendous behavior that was mentioned here. I just caution that generalization can cause issues that do not exist, create a negative atmosphere where women are further separated from the goals they seek to achieve. We work in a predominantly male industry.
Men are not the enemy and I would not be where I am without the ones I know help and guidance. So just remember in a barrel of apples there are always some worm infested ones among the many bright and shiny.
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No the US couldn't extradite him directly in these circumstances, and the US do want to extradite him, rest assured.
And apparently you don't even read what the people you are arguing with write. As I said US don't need to make him disappear. US can legally make his life hell and possibly execute him for espionage if he is brought to its jurisdiction. US is a corporate police state, you are just too naive to realize this.
And no, Diplomacy does not need to be kept secret. It is this kind of thinking that is turning US into a police state.
People don't agree with you. Get over it.
It makes a lot of difference in number of dead bodies, rest assured.
Sweden may not extradite him to US, but then again it may, and you can't guarantee it won't anymore than I can guarantee it will.
And US doesn't need to make him disappear or bring him to an unknown location. They will just judge him by their draconian espionage laws and "legally" condemn him there, and in the meanwhile they will make anything they can stick to him.
Wikileaks is what wikileaks members want it to be. You may not like it. It is your prerrogative, but there are those who support it and it is there to stay. Contrary to your belief it is not Wikileaks that "embarrasses so many countries" it is those countries diplomatic ineptitudes and their dirty games. It is past time for the world to know US for what it is a dirty and manipulative government, and if they are so offended by this image it is a great opportunity to change their attitude.
Yes, he would be expelled, as long as they can find the guy and you can prove he did it, as would happen in the convention in question. Your word is no better than the word of anyone else just because you are a woman. Nobody has the obligation to take the truth for granted from you.
No there isn't that "need". It is no coincidences the accusations appeared when he became an inconvenient to US. It is beyond obvious that there is a political agenda here.
It astonishes me how naive people can be. After what happened in the Piratebay trial it should be obvious that the Swedish government bows to US interests whenever it is convenient to them.
Indeed. Why not give the +5 to a half-assed comment from an AC? Right?
Alto means stop too, both in Spanish and Portuguese.
You can think whatever you want. If I was him I would not take the chance either, though. Nobody sane would.
As I said above I stand corrected. Brazil has a few cases of extradition, which are restricted by the rules of our treaty which allows it only for some very specific crimes, none of which applies to Assange.
And even though I am not exactly a fan of PT and their policies I am quite sure they would never ever ever deliver an anti-US political activist to US. Never. For Gods sake they didn't even deliver a terrorist back to Italy. And for better or worse (most likely worse) PT is due to stay in power for a long time yet.
Corruption in Brazil is indeed a very grave problem (as it is in US too) but in this case it is irrelevant. There is no political sense in doing anything other than conceding asylum to Assage if asked.
This treaty was signed in the military regimen, it is limited to some very specific crimes (which are crimes in both countries) and conditions and it requires a judgement of the supreme tribunal of justice, which here will take at the very least a years. It does not apply even to money laundering, for example, and a lot of white collar crimes.
But I stand corrected. We have never extradited "political criminals" to US. We have sent drug lords and assassins back on occasion.
Don't worry, you won't ever have me there, rest assured. I am a highly qualified professional. If by any chance I decide to move out of Brazil I would probably go to a country that values that, like Canada or Australia, and never to US.
That said I don't dislike US. I dislike US politics of messing with which is not their business.
We don't need to compete with US either military or economically and I don't see it ever happening to be honest. We just need to be what we already are. Nothing good to US would come from hostilizing us. US has far more to lose than to gain by playing tough with us. Even without significant military power we are in a very comfortable position regarding Sovereignty.
1) Honduras is not in South America,
2) Old School backed US coups usually involve military action. There was none in Paraguay. It was a dirty move by the congress, but it was done within their laws.
Yes you are. Whenever need arises justifications are soon to follow.
Which come mostly from Mexico. It is a LOT harder to go there and cross your borders from here (it is kind of far, you know), especially from the very poor people who would be most tempted to do so.
Besides that, moving to a country with a better economy in the hope of having a better life has nothing to do with liking said country. It has a lot more to do with lack of perspective where you are.
Don't worry. From there he can easily come to Brazil. We have never extradited anyone to US and won't start anytime soon. South America is probably the best place in the world for him to run. Nobody here likes US (and that includes most governments)
South America has gone a long way from the time it was easily manipulated by US. If anything it is getting more hostile to US as time goes, and if US decides to push it too hard it may end losing a lot more than it can possibly win.
The same can be said about US and its weapons.
You do what everyone does in life in everything: you decide based on the imperfect information you have. Having imperfect information is no excuse for inaction.
Your understanding is obviously distorted.
The problem is wanting to give overbroad "messages" to people because someone did something you didn't like. When the act is illegal and the person can be found proper punishment is given in these conventions as happens basically everywhere else, but you can't really expect for a event with 18K people to be 100% safe. You will get exactly the same problem in concerts, night clubs, stadiums or any place a lot of people are put together in a relatively small space.
First, I must preface I am not saying these things do not happen and I will not take away from anyone's experience as these situations are inexcusable and horrific, but I do want to chime in and say they do not happen to ALL women.
I have been attending tech conferences for going on 6 years now. This year was my 2nd BlackHat, 3rd Defcon, I also speak at average 4-5 conferences in an associated industry each year. While I won't say I have never experienced an idiot or two (but wouldn't you in any situation) OVERALL the men have been supportive, giving, generous and career boosting. They are also very protective over me and if anyone treated me this way I know the person would find himself in a very bad way very quickly. That being said.
I worry when I see posts like this because though I am 1000% positive there are a few bad apples in a conference the size of Defcon (18k) I don't believe wholesale that there are a plethora of bad aggressive idiot men attending.
Most of the men I meet are respectful and helpful and by othering the men you separate women further and create and atmosphere where men are afraid to speak or befriend as they might offend.
So again, I do not wish to in any way detract or minimize the horrendous behavior that was mentioned here. I just caution that generalization can cause issues that do not exist, create a negative atmosphere where women are further separated from the goals they seek to achieve. We work in a predominantly male industry.
Men are not the enemy and I would not be where I am without the ones I know help and guidance. So just remember in a barrel of apples there are always some worm infested ones among the many bright and shiny.
Apple was at the top once with billions to spare and lost everything to IBM. Nokia was at the top once with billions to spare and now it is close to become a MS subsidiary.
If you lose your market share money alone won't save you, as Apple should know...
As long as you can keep selling them...