The golden standard of 'medical science' is the randomly controlled double blind trial in an epidemiologically significant part of society.
Now I'm going to wake you up to the sad reality that there is no such trial that demonstrates both effectivity and safety of Merck's MMR vaccine.
Calm down man.
We are talking about people venting their opinion on the social media while they are medical professionals.
It's not that there's a nurse in the office telling you go home and better not to vaccinate your child.
And I think they do have the right to vent their opinion freely.
That would be quite difficult as the medical establishment bullying of Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Prof. John Walker-Smith has made it quite clear to 'the medical scientific community' that one is not supposed to seriously investigate that kind of things.
Funny enough, Prof. John Walker-Smith had the money to actually appeal the decision of the GMC in court, and was vindicated by the judge. So he (and Wakefield) was right after all. But of course the media that you are reading has filtered this inconvenient fact out for you as it would only confuse you more. Wikipedia comes to mind...
However, later the CDC found out by itself that MMR led in a disproportional way to much more cases of autism in African Americans than in white Americans.
Further there is a 'Vaccine Compensation Court' in the USA that has already awarded billions of dollars to vaccine victims, including Mojabi Campbell-Smith because he, guess what, got autism from his MMR shots.
So, no, vaccines are not always safe and my opinion is that parents should be fully informed about the risk, including this pesky autism risk from the Merck MMR at early age, and have the right, duty and prerogative to choose for their children whether or not to inoculate them.
That is why the occurrence of these diseases has been so rare.
What proof is that?
The occurrence of 'these diseases' was already declining before the vaccinations were introduced, due to better hygienic and medical conditions.
Nobody has proven that the further decline was due to the vaccines, and not increasingly better hygienic, medical (excluding vaccines of course) and nutritional conditions.
Your reply would have been much more relevant if you would have succeeded to give a reference to a randomised controlled double blind trial, published in a peer reviewed journal, that shows that vaccines are both effective and safe.
Try it. Just try.
...mechanics advising people not to get brakes checked...
I can imagine a world in which the automobile industry 'advises' their clients to have their brakes checked every week in order to increase their profits.
In that case I would welcome the advise of any mechanic explaining this mechanism and advising me to limit the checks to once a year or so.
Funny enough, people do get less cancer if they (moderately) expose themselves to more sunshine. It's called vitamin D3.
However, I don't see a role for farts here.
I would be very happy with a nurse telling me that she has 20 years experience in vaccinating children and that she has observed that children that get their first MMR at 6 months relatively often end up with an autism spectrum disorder, and that therefore it would be wise to vaccinate only for mumps and rubella at 6 months age, and to wait with the measles inoculation until the kid is 1 year old, as in those cases she rarely has noticed any autism to occur.
I have had a comparable experience in which a nurse took me apart and gave me an advise contrary to what the doctor had just told me, and I was extremely happy with the result.
I haven't studied pilotry or law, although I'd love to be able to fly a helicopter.
What I'd be happy with is that a professional gave me his honest opinion, not the establishment mantra, and I think that if nurses and midwives have some reservations regarding vaccinations that a parent would be very wise to listen carefully, perhaps ask some questions.
Not have those guys fired.
Currently 1 in 25 American children (yes: American, because that's the only place with an insane inoculation frequency) falls prey to an autism spectrum disorder.
Now don't tell me that this is all 'genetic', because then why are those parents not autistic?
The suggestion that this is 'legal' punishment is totally wrong.
It is suppression by an industry of people who are threatening the bottom line of that industry.
You clearly are the fucking idiot, as taking the right from people to have and express their own opinion will just as well work against yourself one day.
There is an inherent freedom of opinion and of speech. And if you equate people who advise against the MMR cocktail at a too young age but who propose a later date for the inoculation with measles, to people who are against polio vaccines, then you just fell prey to the false equivalence fallacy.
His research has been peer reviewed and approved of, not 'debunked' before it was published.
His research clearly pointed to a relationship between being early in life vaccinated with the MMR cocktail and autism spectrum disorder, or rather the bowel disease that occurred as a result, as he was merely a bowel specialist when he got involved. He just presented his findings and found out the hard way, just like Dr Semmelweiss, that going against the medical establishment and her believes can kill you. In the case of Semmelweiss that was literally the case, in the case of Wakefield and his co-author prof. John Walker-Smith it was the death of their medical career through the actions of the GMC, the UK’s medical regulatory board.
John Walker-Smith apparently had the money to fight the decision in court and convincingly won.
The judge, Justice John Mitting, said that its (GMC's) conclusions were based on "inadequate and superficial reasoning and, in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion." Of course the same would have applied to Wakefield had he appealed.
So, what is going on here? There is a highly profitable vaccination industry on which various institutions and publishers (including the BMj--British Medical Journal) depend for their income and those institutions and publishers can be used to destroy opponents of that industry if they might threaten their bottom line.
In the case of Seralini it was Elsevier who retracted--against its own standards--his scientific paper, and in the case of Wakefield/Walker-Smith it was the GMC and BMJ. Their is no global cabal, just some highly influential 'global players' who happen to belong to the category of pharmaceutical industry.
Now. to address your qualification of me.
a) I don't consider myself ignorant, but your mileage may vary.
b) disease is never funny, but having the life of your child thoroughly destroyed in an attempt to ward off a mostly harmless although inconvenient infectious desease isn't so funny either. Therefore it is my opinion that parents should have the right and authority to decide whether or not they trust the medical establishment enough to submit their children to that risk.
c) a shill I'm most certainly not. Nobody is paying me or asking or pushing me to vent this opinion of mine. Medical establishment has made errors and always will and is a weapon in the hands of the medical industry in order to defend their bottom line.
What I hate is the medical establishment (or whatever establishment for that matter) controlling a whole population through some mantra and willfully destroying the lives of some victims for their own profits. And believe me, they will literally kill for that.
Every newly introduced and approved vaccine means an additional income of a billion dollars or so. Per year.
The implication that I think it's 'funny' if someone gets polio because I say that it might be good to separate the measles inoculation from the MMR and give it at a later age (as Wakefield merely suggested) is a very stupid suggestion. Oh, and by the way, speaking of polio, ever read the work of Dr Frederick R. Klenner? I guess not...
The Spanish King Filip had a speaking disability and couldn't differentiate between a 'V' and a 'B', neither between 'F' and 'P' and he had a funny way of pronouncing the s.
But because he was the king, people had to imitate his contorted speach in order to survive, and that's how the Spanish language has developed into the speaking disability that it is today.
Italian, Portugese, French and Spanish are all Latin languages and therefore related, but not sub-class of each other. They are a sub-class of Latin.
Now go puck yourrsssellf you vastarrd!
As long as they do not act against the professional standards, then there is no reason to do anything about their opinion and expression thereof.
Since when is Australia a fascist state?
That's the problem. There isn't any. Give me one randomised double blind controlled trial of sufficient size epidemiologically speaking, that proves both efficacy and safety of any vaccine compared to a pure placebo, like pure distilled water.
And of course it's ok to call bullshit on any opinion that you're in disagreement with, but let's not act like a bunch of brown-shirt fascists and persecute people for their opinion and dissent, because in that case their might soon be a reason to persecute you for any dissenting opinion that you might express in your life.
I'm not going to follow in your footsteps and declare that you are the fucking stupid fascist bootlicking fuckwit that should be dead and buried.
Let it be sufficient to say that you are a stupid idiot.
Surprisingly enough it isn't tested. There is no 'golden standard' scientific test carried out (randomised double blind controlled trial) that proves either the efficacy or the safety of the 'measles vaccines', let alone the triple cocktail of MMR, which many facts suggest is responsible for many cases of autism if administered at a too young age.
When the brilliant and promising Dr. Andrew Wakefield pointed out that he is not against measles vaccination and merely suggested to separate the measles vaccine from the MMR vaccine and postpone the schedule of it by 6 months, he was literally crucified by 'his' medical establishment.
Mind you, he clearly stated that he is not against vaccination and only wanted a schedule which science suggested would be more safe, and that was enough for the 'big pharma' to have him destroyed, and for the British government to refuse separate vaccines to be administered, heck, even to enter the country.
These for me are big red flags!
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The golden standard of 'medical science' is the randomly controlled double blind trial in an epidemiologically significant part of society.
Now I'm going to wake you up to the sad reality that there is no such trial that demonstrates both effectivity and safety of Merck's MMR vaccine.
That 'many' in your statement is what I have a problem with.
Calm down man.
We are talking about people venting their opinion on the social media while they are medical professionals.
It's not that there's a nurse in the office telling you go home and better not to vaccinate your child.
And I think they do have the right to vent their opinion freely.
That would be quite difficult as the medical establishment bullying of Dr. Andrew Wakefield and Prof. John Walker-Smith has made it quite clear to 'the medical scientific community' that one is not supposed to seriously investigate that kind of things.
Funny enough, Prof. John Walker-Smith had the money to actually appeal the decision of the GMC in court, and was vindicated by the judge. So he (and Wakefield) was right after all. But of course the media that you are reading has filtered this inconvenient fact out for you as it would only confuse you more. Wikipedia comes to mind...
However, later the CDC found out by itself that MMR led in a disproportional way to much more cases of autism in African Americans than in white Americans.
Further there is a 'Vaccine Compensation Court' in the USA that has already awarded billions of dollars to vaccine victims, including Mojabi Campbell-Smith because he, guess what, got autism from his MMR shots.
So, no, vaccines are not always safe and my opinion is that parents should be fully informed about the risk, including this pesky autism risk from the Merck MMR at early age, and have the right, duty and prerogative to choose for their children whether or not to inoculate them.
When vaccinations are stopped, the diseases reappear.
When was that proven (in the Western world)?
That is why the occurrence of these diseases has been so rare.
What proof is that?
The occurrence of 'these diseases' was already declining before the vaccinations were introduced, due to better hygienic and medical conditions.
Nobody has proven that the further decline was due to the vaccines, and not increasingly better hygienic, medical (excluding vaccines of course) and nutritional conditions.
Your reply would have been much more relevant if you would have succeeded to give a reference to a randomised controlled double blind trial, published in a peer reviewed journal, that shows that vaccines are both effective and safe.
Try it. Just try.
HPIV vaccine effective and safe?
Posting your opinion on social media isn't medical advice. Everybody knows that.
...mechanics advising people not to get brakes checked...
I can imagine a world in which the automobile industry 'advises' their clients to have their brakes checked every week in order to increase their profits.
In that case I would welcome the advise of any mechanic explaining this mechanism and advising me to limit the checks to once a year or so.
Funny enough, people do get less cancer if they (moderately) expose themselves to more sunshine. It's called vitamin D3.
However, I don't see a role for farts here.
I would be very happy with a nurse telling me that she has 20 years experience in vaccinating children and that she has observed that children that get their first MMR at 6 months relatively often end up with an autism spectrum disorder, and that therefore it would be wise to vaccinate only for mumps and rubella at 6 months age, and to wait with the measles inoculation until the kid is 1 year old, as in those cases she rarely has noticed any autism to occur.
I have had a comparable experience in which a nurse took me apart and gave me an advise contrary to what the doctor had just told me, and I was extremely happy with the result.
I haven't studied pilotry or law, although I'd love to be able to fly a helicopter.
What I'd be happy with is that a professional gave me his honest opinion, not the establishment mantra, and I think that if nurses and midwives have some reservations regarding vaccinations that a parent would be very wise to listen carefully, perhaps ask some questions.
Not have those guys fired.
Currently 1 in 25 American children (yes: American, because that's the only place with an insane inoculation frequency) falls prey to an autism spectrum disorder.
Now don't tell me that this is all 'genetic', because then why are those parents not autistic?
The suggestion that this is 'legal' punishment is totally wrong.
It is suppression by an industry of people who are threatening the bottom line of that industry.
You clearly are the fucking idiot, as taking the right from people to have and express their own opinion will just as well work against yourself one day.
There is an inherent freedom of opinion and of speech. And if you equate people who advise against the MMR cocktail at a too young age but who propose a later date for the inoculation with measles, to people who are against polio vaccines, then you just fell prey to the false equivalence fallacy.
His research has been peer reviewed and approved of, not 'debunked' before it was published.
His research clearly pointed to a relationship between being early in life vaccinated with the MMR cocktail and autism spectrum disorder, or rather the bowel disease that occurred as a result, as he was merely a bowel specialist when he got involved. He just presented his findings and found out the hard way, just like Dr Semmelweiss, that going against the medical establishment and her believes can kill you. In the case of Semmelweiss that was literally the case, in the case of Wakefield and his co-author prof. John Walker-Smith it was the death of their medical career through the actions of the GMC, the UK’s medical regulatory board.
John Walker-Smith apparently had the money to fight the decision in court and convincingly won.
The judge, Justice John Mitting, said that its (GMC's) conclusions were based on "inadequate and superficial reasoning and, in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion." Of course the same would have applied to Wakefield had he appealed.
So, what is going on here? There is a highly profitable vaccination industry on which various institutions and publishers (including the BMj--British Medical Journal) depend for their income and those institutions and publishers can be used to destroy opponents of that industry if they might threaten their bottom line.
In the case of Seralini it was Elsevier who retracted--against its own standards--his scientific paper, and in the case of Wakefield/Walker-Smith it was the GMC and BMJ. Their is no global cabal, just some highly influential 'global players' who happen to belong to the category of pharmaceutical industry.
Now. to address your qualification of me.
a) I don't consider myself ignorant, but your mileage may vary.
b) disease is never funny, but having the life of your child thoroughly destroyed in an attempt to ward off a mostly harmless although inconvenient infectious desease isn't so funny either. Therefore it is my opinion that parents should have the right and authority to decide whether or not they trust the medical establishment enough to submit their children to that risk.
c) a shill I'm most certainly not. Nobody is paying me or asking or pushing me to vent this opinion of mine. Medical establishment has made errors and always will and is a weapon in the hands of the medical industry in order to defend their bottom line.
What I hate is the medical establishment (or whatever establishment for that matter) controlling a whole population through some mantra and willfully destroying the lives of some victims for their own profits. And believe me, they will literally kill for that.
Every newly introduced and approved vaccine means an additional income of a billion dollars or so. Per year.
The implication that I think it's 'funny' if someone gets polio because I say that it might be good to separate the measles inoculation from the MMR and give it at a later age (as Wakefield merely suggested) is a very stupid suggestion. Oh, and by the way, speaking of polio, ever read the work of Dr Frederick R. Klenner? I guess not...
3a: I'm not involved but can't wait for those affected by this fascist show to check whether the judges agree with this treatment.
Polio isn't eradicated, it has been renamed.
They do. As long as they don't practice against current professional standards.
Ah, ok.
Now, why was it especially the descendants of Roman conquerors that went to South America with the Portuguese?
The Spanish King Filip had a speaking disability and couldn't differentiate between a 'V' and a 'B', neither between 'F' and 'P' and he had a funny way of pronouncing the s.
But because he was the king, people had to imitate his contorted speach in order to survive, and that's how the Spanish language has developed into the speaking disability that it is today.
Italian, Portugese, French and Spanish are all Latin languages and therefore related, but not sub-class of each other. They are a sub-class of Latin.
Now go puck yourrsssellf you vastarrd!
We are the true heirs of the Roman Empire...
Huh? How did you do that?
Ateh mais
That is a very dangerous fascistoid opinion.
As long as they do not act against the professional standards, then there is no reason to do anything about their opinion and expression thereof.
Since when is Australia a fascist state?
That's the problem. There isn't any. Give me one randomised double blind controlled trial of sufficient size epidemiologically speaking, that proves both efficacy and safety of any vaccine compared to a pure placebo, like pure distilled water.
And of course it's ok to call bullshit on any opinion that you're in disagreement with, but let's not act like a bunch of brown-shirt fascists and persecute people for their opinion and dissent, because in that case their might soon be a reason to persecute you for any dissenting opinion that you might express in your life.
I'm not going to follow in your footsteps and declare that you are the fucking stupid fascist bootlicking fuckwit that should be dead and buried.
Let it be sufficient to say that you are a stupid idiot.
Very well said!
Unfortunately I can't mod you up without deleting my previous comments, so I won't.
But that was very well said indeed!
Surprisingly enough it isn't tested. There is no 'golden standard' scientific test carried out (randomised double blind controlled trial) that proves either the efficacy or the safety of the 'measles vaccines', let alone the triple cocktail of MMR, which many facts suggest is responsible for many cases of autism if administered at a too young age.
When the brilliant and promising Dr. Andrew Wakefield pointed out that he is not against measles vaccination and merely suggested to separate the measles vaccine from the MMR vaccine and postpone the schedule of it by 6 months, he was literally crucified by 'his' medical establishment.
Mind you, he clearly stated that he is not against vaccination and only wanted a schedule which science suggested would be more safe, and that was enough for the 'big pharma' to have him destroyed, and for the British government to refuse separate vaccines to be administered, heck, even to enter the country.
These for me are big red flags!