Sweet. Now Manage 40 boxes just like it. Oh and you have to still get all your normal work done. Yeah, btw we just laid-off two people from your team, so their work is on the rest of your shoulders...
This is why even though I've been running Linux since 1993 (slackware, and I used to recompile all the updates by hand), eventually after the number of machines grew to a certain size, I realized there was no way I could keep them all updated by hand myself. I switched to Red Hat. I get *value* from my RH subscriptions. I'm *happy* to *pay* for that value.
This is nearly opposite my experience. I'm working at a very large Wall Street firm.
Red Hat does *not* tell us: "Oh, I'm sorry you're not running the latest support pack, no support for you."
We've had to run a modified GCC for a while and Red Hat, *again* didn't say "You've changed it, so support for you." What they *did* say was, "Can you reproduce this on *our* gcc?" Which again is better than We've gotten from some other vendors.
We're still running AS4U4 in some places and RH has worked with us to track down bugs. Sometimes it ends with: "This was fixed in 4.5 please update." Sometimes it ends with "This is a bug, and here is the HF, please update to the released version when it becomes available."
In fact I have a hard time sometimes of getting our Admins to open tickes with the *right* vendor, because they'd rather open a ticket with RH, because it gets solved sooner. (Course that is more a dig on HP, Veritas, EMC and some other "Enterprise Software" companies.)
Unfortunately for Both us and RH, we don't like to update either, and even when RH has proven an update solves the problem, it's hard to get the Admins to actually update the boxen.
Except he *wasn't* paying for the support contract!
By definition if you are running CentOS, you are saying, "I'm so smart I don't need a support contract. If something goes wrong I'll fix it myself." And then he complains about getting bitten by the "Red Hat Perl Bug".
If Red Hat is so Horrible (And by extension CentOS), why is he running it? If vendor supplied component X is worthless, why isn't he running Gentoo? Oh, that's right, because having a stable platform is *valuable*. But, it would appear, not valuable enough to pay for.
You would have no support contract for the/usr/local/* version of perl. And if that is what runs your multimilliondollar app, running with no support is typically not an option.
Red Hat would still support you if came across a bug in/usr/bin/perl. But their fix might not be useful for your/usr/local/bin/perl, even if it were the same bug.
NASA has a program called "Spinoffs." Which _gives_ new technologies away to companies who want to develop/market it. Every year they publish a nice little book of all the spinoffs for the year. Check out The Spinoff site or, The best of NASA Spinoffs.
You can't have looked into this at all and still say "We don't benefit from space exploration."
These are just the direct benefits. I think the intangible benefits are much greater. The space race inspired many people growing up in the Kennedy era to go into the science field. Many people litteraly owe their lives to technology developed for the Space Program.
I've seen lots of people talking about whether or not Judge Jackson can make the Supreme Court take the case directly. The answer is: No one but the Supreme Court Justices can make the court take a case.
BUT! Due to the anti-trust laws Judge Jackson and the DOJ _can_ force the case to skip the Appellate courts.
This means: The Appellate courts will never even see the case as I'm sure the DoJ and Judge Jackson will send it directly to the SC. Then the SC can hear it or not.
If they choose not to hear it, that's it, game over MS looses, there are no further appeals, there is no running back to the appellate If they choose to hear it then they can completely overturn everything... The SC has to ability to completely overturn any existing precedents, no matter how long they've been around.
However they is a very big thing called "Judicial Restraint" vs. "Judicial Activisim" (Not to be confused with Liberal vs. Conservative, it is possible to be an activist Conservative, [Of which Clarence Thomas is one]) The current court is close to even of the Activism vs. Restraint issue but currently leans towards Restraint.
Meaning: The SC is very unlikely to throw out any precedents or rule any part of the anti-trust laws Unconstitutional.
No matter what Judge Jackson's Decision very likely will stand.
P.S. Even if Gore or Bush threw out the entire DoJ, nothing can be done from this point on by the Executive Branch of these great United States of America, it is entirely in the hands of the Judicial Branch, which is historically well insulated from political pressure.
I'm not going to state my opinion because my faith is no ones business but my own But I like this quote:
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7*7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that... The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed... [However] Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6C. We have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C. -- From "Applied Optics" vol. 11, A14, 1972
I have never been impressed with the garbage that flows forth from the pages of computerworld. I had a Free subscription to it back in '94, and realized their bias back then. I've never read a magazine that was so blatant in coloring the "truth" to fit the desires of their advertisers. My business partner finally started "Misplacing" the magazine before it made it to the office from the post office, because I would get so infuriated every single week upon reading it....
Little known fact... If you doubt me, take a look at the flag behind prez. C. You will notice a nice little gold braid all the way around it. For those people who know flag protocol, it means Martial Law.
From what I understand Martial Law was declared back in the early 1900's and just never repealed. So since it already is in effect it would be eaiser to do something about it...
I personally don't think Y2K is going to be the end of civilization. Just trying to share some facts.
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Sweet. Now Manage 40 boxes just like it. Oh and you have to still get all your normal work done. Yeah, btw we just laid-off two people from your team, so their work is on the rest of your shoulders...
This is why even though I've been running Linux since 1993 (slackware, and I used to recompile all the updates by hand), eventually after the number of machines grew to a certain size, I realized there was no way I could keep them all updated by hand myself. I switched to Red Hat. I get *value* from my RH subscriptions. I'm *happy* to *pay* for that value.
YMMV
This is nearly opposite my experience. I'm working at a very large Wall Street firm.
Red Hat does *not* tell us: "Oh, I'm sorry you're not running the latest support pack, no support for you."
We've had to run a modified GCC for a while and Red Hat, *again* didn't say "You've changed it, so support for you." What they *did* say was, "Can you reproduce this on *our* gcc?" Which again is better than We've gotten from some other vendors.
We're still running AS4U4 in some places and RH has worked with us to track down bugs. Sometimes it ends with: "This was fixed in 4.5 please update." Sometimes it ends with "This is a bug, and here is the HF, please update to the released version when it becomes available."
In fact I have a hard time sometimes of getting our Admins to open tickes with the *right* vendor, because they'd rather open a ticket with RH, because it gets solved sooner. (Course that is more a dig on HP, Veritas, EMC and some other "Enterprise Software" companies.)
Unfortunately for Both us and RH, we don't like to update either, and even when RH has proven an update solves the problem, it's hard to get the Admins to actually update the boxen.
Except he *wasn't* paying for the support contract!
By definition if you are running CentOS, you are saying, "I'm so smart I don't need a support contract. If something goes wrong I'll fix it myself." And then he complains about getting bitten by the "Red Hat Perl Bug".
If Red Hat is so Horrible (And by extension CentOS), why is he running it? If vendor supplied component X is worthless, why isn't he running Gentoo? Oh, that's right, because having a stable platform is *valuable*. But, it would appear, not valuable enough to pay for.
Except that if they were paying Red Hat for support, they would have been given the hotfix when they called in to diagnose the problem.
It seems a little odd to complain about Red Hat support, when in fact they weren't paying Red Hat for support.
You would have no support contract for the /usr/local/* version of perl. And if that is what runs your multimilliondollar app, running with no support is typically not an option.
Red Hat would still support you if came across a bug in /usr/bin/perl. But their fix might not be useful for your /usr/local/bin/perl, even if it were the same bug.
NASA has a program called "Spinoffs." Which _gives_ new technologies away to companies who want to develop/market it. Every year they publish a nice little book of all the spinoffs for the year. Check out The Spinoff site or, The best of NASA Spinoffs.
You can't have looked into this at all and still say "We don't benefit from space exploration."
These are just the direct benefits. I think the intangible benefits are much greater. The space race inspired many people growing up in the Kennedy era to go into the science field. Many people litteraly owe their lives to technology developed for the Space Program.
I've seen lots of people talking about whether or not Judge Jackson can make the Supreme Court take the case directly. The answer is: No one but the Supreme Court Justices can make the court take a case.
BUT! Due to the anti-trust laws Judge Jackson and the DOJ _can_ force the case to skip the Appellate courts.
This means: The Appellate courts will never even see the case as I'm sure the DoJ and Judge Jackson will send it directly to the SC. Then the SC can hear it or not.
If they choose not to hear it, that's it, game over MS looses, there are no further appeals, there is no running back to the appellate If they choose to hear it then they can completely overturn everything... The SC has to ability to completely overturn any existing precedents, no matter how long they've been around.
However they is a very big thing called "Judicial Restraint" vs. "Judicial Activisim" (Not to be confused with Liberal vs. Conservative, it is possible to be an activist Conservative, [Of which Clarence Thomas is one]) The current court is close to even of the Activism vs. Restraint issue but currently leans towards Restraint.
Meaning: The SC is very unlikely to throw out any precedents or rule any part of the anti-trust laws Unconstitutional.
No matter what Judge Jackson's Decision very likely will stand.
P.S. Even if Gore or Bush threw out the entire DoJ, nothing can be done from this point on by the Executive Branch of these great United States of America, it is entirely in the hands of the Judicial Branch, which is historically well insulated from political pressure.
I'm not going to state my opinion because my faith is no ones business but my own But I like this quote:
... The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e., Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann law for ... [However] Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means
The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as
the light of the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much
radiation as we do from the Sun, and in addition 7*7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one 1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that
radiation, (H/E)^4 = 50, where E is the absolute temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed
that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6C. We have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C.
-- From "Applied Optics" vol. 11, A14, 1972
I have never been impressed with the garbage that flows forth from the pages of computerworld. I had a Free subscription to it back in '94, and realized their bias back then. I've never read a magazine that was so blatant in coloring the "truth" to fit the desires of their advertisers. My business partner finally started "Misplacing" the magazine before it made it to the office from the post office, because I would get so infuriated every single week upon reading it....
Little known fact... If you doubt me, take a look at the flag behind prez. C. You will notice a nice little gold braid all the way around it. For those people who know flag protocol, it means Martial Law.
From what I understand Martial Law was declared back in the early 1900's and just never repealed. So since it already is in effect it would be eaiser to do something about it...
I personally don't think Y2K is going to be the end of civilization. Just trying to share some facts.