"University administrators gave the XCF a half-dozen Sun Microsystems workstations -- a coup at the time. The scarcity of powerful machines all but forced early XCFers to work together. Lapsley and Kurt Pires, another co-founder, came up with a course to teach fellow undergraduates the C computer language, which wasn't offered by the university. The XCFers also helped one another figure out how to make their programs tighter, more elegant and more efficient."
Seems as if they were supported well by the University at that time. If they are giving out new-tech equipment to clubs like that you can count on me to recruit over...
Did C Language start to surface around that time (1986)? I thought it's been around longer than that.
Yes, it would be a shame to see the club die, but something else will take it's place. They seemed to be on the right track, but I guess it's time for them to move on.
"UC-Berkeley has long suffered a shortage of rooms. When the university reorganized its turf in the mid-1980s, the existing computer center available to undergraduate hackers was set to be shut down. So Phil Lapsley and nine other computer enthusiasts wrote a proposal to establish an undergraduate-run facility that would both offer computer help to campus members and produce useful software projects.
The university agreed to the proposal, and in 1986 the XCF was born."
Then again they have been around for 1986, why not let others continue in their path?
"THE hole in the Southern Hemisphere's ozone layer will start shrinking within a decade and should close completely in the next 50 years, according to an international panel."
The next 50 years, eh? I'm sure we'll find something better than CFC's by then to destroy the O-Zone. Can you see it?...Us all living in big bubble-protected city domes because we screwed ourselves over by are own hands. I can. See how much other stuff we have destroyed/ruin in the last 50 years. We have destroyed a whole lot more than just the o-zone. In the next 50 years we probably would have messed something else over so bad we won't even remember the o-zone problem, lol.
Basically I see it like this. There is the VoIP technology, and there is the phone companies. The phone companies see VoIP technology as just another way to make more money, when they already have much more than enough. You look at how Ma Bell broke apart, now you tell me that it's still not a monopoly? Heck yes it is, renting out "their" lines to smaller phone companies. They make money from smaller phone companies becuase the smaller phone companies are basically required to rent out the phone lines from subsidaries of old Ma Bell. I mean sure we are talking about a different country than USA, things are different, but it still looks like a greed issue to me. If VoIP technology isn't interfering directly with the phone company by using "their" lines then I don't think they should have any say-so over it. Things will all change one day, hopefully. As stated by an Anonymous Coward, "The telcos have spent billions of dollars wiring countries for traditional telco service". Yes, billions of dollars they spent, and many many many billions more have they made in profit. To me, I feel that in NO WAY the phone company has ever been mistreated financially. Isn't it about time they quit taking from EVERYONE, and give atleast the peepz on I-Net some slack? That's just the way I feel bout it.
In order to steal an AIM account not only do you need an AOL Registration Number and Registration Password, but you need a valid (not one generated by a Credit-Card Generator; AOL checks to see if the credit card is not only valid, but existing) Credit-Card Number. Now obtaining an AOL Registration Number and Registration Password is fairly easy. Just go somewhere that is distributing those damned AOL CD. The Registration Number and Password is listed with every CD. I also remember seeing generator programs from them awhile back. So, that's not the hard part. The hard part is getting the valid credit card number. In my mind I see more people going ahead stealing credit cards from other people just for the sole purpose of stealing someone's AIM account. I mean AOL users aren't vulnerable to this, if you read the article you would know this. Only AIM users are at risk, if you consider losing an AOL service as being "at risk", LOL. There is no credit card information kept on AIM users so I don't see how they could obtain a credit card from that person unless they pretended they was the person who's account they stole to get a credit card number out of a friend or relative, which is still highly unlikely. In the whole article about people stealing credit card numbers...I think they meant more that this will slightly increase credit card fraud, becuase the person wanting to steal someone's AIM account will need to obtain a valid existing credit card number. Becuase you obviously aren't going to want to use your own credit card number. So you would need to steal someone's else, in trade of stealing an AIM account. Now the risk involved in this I'm not sure about, but depends on how much you are willing to risk just to steal someone's AIM account and mess around with them for a bit. To me it doesn't seem worth it. If you are going to play a practical joke on someone don't waste your time, just infect them with SubSeven to mess around with them a bit. I really don't see what someone could get out of stealing someone's AIM account...financial stuff, NO...possibly through social engineering, but highly unlikley. To me stealing someone's free AOL service doesn't seem with the time or possible risk. And everyone should know how anal AOL is about stuff.
Peace,
TankDawg7
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"I'm surprised that it took this long."
SubSeven was able to do this years ago.
"University administrators gave the XCF a half-dozen Sun Microsystems workstations -- a coup at the time. The scarcity of powerful machines all but forced early XCFers to work together. Lapsley and Kurt Pires, another co-founder, came up with a course to teach fellow undergraduates the C computer language, which wasn't offered by the university. The XCFers also helped one another figure out how to make their programs tighter, more elegant and more efficient."
Seems as if they were supported well by the University at that time. If they are giving out new-tech equipment to clubs like that you can count on me to recruit over...
Did C Language start to surface around that time (1986)? I thought it's been around longer than that.
Peace,
TankDawg7
Yes, it would be a shame to see the club die, but something else will take it's place. They seemed to be on the right track, but I guess it's time for them to move on.
"UC-Berkeley has long suffered a shortage of rooms. When the university reorganized its turf in the mid-1980s, the existing computer center available to undergraduate hackers was set to be shut down. So Phil Lapsley and nine other computer enthusiasts wrote a proposal to establish an undergraduate-run facility that would both offer computer help to campus members and produce useful software projects.
The university agreed to the proposal, and in 1986 the XCF was born."
Then again they have been around for 1986, why not let others continue in their path?
Peace,
TankDawg7
"THE hole in the Southern Hemisphere's ozone layer will start shrinking within a decade and should close completely in the next 50 years, according to an international panel."
The next 50 years, eh? I'm sure we'll find something better than CFC's by then to destroy the O-Zone. Can you see it?...Us all living in big bubble-protected city domes because we screwed ourselves over by are own hands. I can. See how much other stuff we have destroyed/ruin in the last 50 years. We have destroyed a whole lot more than just the o-zone. In the next 50 years we probably would have messed something else over so bad we won't even remember the o-zone problem, lol.
Peace,
TankDawg7
Basically I see it like this. There is the VoIP technology, and there is the phone companies. The phone companies see VoIP technology as just another way to make more money, when they already have much more than enough. You look at how Ma Bell broke apart, now you tell me that it's still not a monopoly? Heck yes it is, renting out "their" lines to smaller phone companies. They make money from smaller phone companies becuase the smaller phone companies are basically required to rent out the phone lines from subsidaries of old Ma Bell. I mean sure we are talking about a different country than USA, things are different, but it still looks like a greed issue to me. If VoIP technology isn't interfering directly with the phone company by using "their" lines then I don't think they should have any say-so over it. Things will all change one day, hopefully. As stated by an Anonymous Coward, "The telcos have spent billions of dollars wiring countries for traditional telco service". Yes, billions of dollars they spent, and many many many billions more have they made in profit. To me, I feel that in NO WAY the phone company has ever been mistreated financially. Isn't it about time they quit taking from EVERYONE, and give atleast the peepz on I-Net some slack? That's just the way I feel bout it.
Peace,
TankDawg7
Sounds like Britian is trying to bust out "Enemy of The State" style on everyone. Peace, TankDawg7
In order to steal an AIM account not only do you need an AOL Registration Number and Registration Password, but you need a valid (not one generated by a Credit-Card Generator; AOL checks to see if the credit card is not only valid, but existing) Credit-Card Number. Now obtaining an AOL Registration Number and Registration Password is fairly easy. Just go somewhere that is distributing those damned AOL CD. The Registration Number and Password is listed with every CD. I also remember seeing generator programs from them awhile back. So, that's not the hard part. The hard part is getting the valid credit card number. In my mind I see more people going ahead stealing credit cards from other people just for the sole purpose of stealing someone's AIM account. I mean AOL users aren't vulnerable to this, if you read the article you would know this. Only AIM users are at risk, if you consider losing an AOL service as being "at risk", LOL. There is no credit card information kept on AIM users so I don't see how they could obtain a credit card from that person unless they pretended they was the person who's account they stole to get a credit card number out of a friend or relative, which is still highly unlikely. In the whole article about people stealing credit card numbers...I think they meant more that this will slightly increase credit card fraud, becuase the person wanting to steal someone's AIM account will need to obtain a valid existing credit card number. Becuase you obviously aren't going to want to use your own credit card number. So you would need to steal someone's else, in trade of stealing an AIM account. Now the risk involved in this I'm not sure about, but depends on how much you are willing to risk just to steal someone's AIM account and mess around with them for a bit. To me it doesn't seem worth it. If you are going to play a practical joke on someone don't waste your time, just infect them with SubSeven to mess around with them a bit. I really don't see what someone could get out of stealing someone's AIM account...financial stuff, NO...possibly through social engineering, but highly unlikley. To me stealing someone's free AOL service doesn't seem with the time or possible risk. And everyone should know how anal AOL is about stuff. Peace, TankDawg7