i can understand some of the reasoning behind what they're saying, but the biggest reason the internet breaks today is because of business and politics
if everyone was giving everyone else transit for free, except for leaf networks going down, there would be no real outages. Fibre cut takes out
backbone A's connectivity to backbone B? No matter, we'll just route through C.
Things like this *can* be configured as last chance backups, but business rules dictate that you don't help out your competitors when they're down, you try and steal their customers instead.
I doubt that anyone in a position to decide whether or not to use the MAPS lists is foolish enough to take everything they read on/. without a large pinch of salt.
I don't think its up to MAPS to contact the websites on the block they're hitting. I know that they would have contacted Media3... so I submit that it was Media3's responsibility to warn their customers of the pending lack of connectivity. I also submit that the customers that suffered should claim compensation from Media3.
Umm, Abovenet make it clear on their website that they use the RBL. Any customers or prospective customers that don't know that, didn't do any research.
Nope, this is another example of a poorly researched/. article./. is rapidly becoming somewhere to go for a laugh to see how badly wrong they've got it this time.
RBL listing of spamware sites is a long established tradition, its public knowledge and is one of the listing criteria: Spam Support
Escalation of listings past single hosts is also known about, this happens when the provider continues to allow the spamming to continue, or moves the host around the netblock to avoid the RBL listing.
You have to go after what hurts the spammers. They don't care if they lose their hotmail account, or their MSN dial up account... as long as people can still view their website.
Oh, and BTW... ISPs have every right to decide what goes on their network. Its *their* property. Abovenet have decided not to allow hosts that are in the RBL to transit their network. Thats fine... as a customer of an Abovenet customer, I'm ecstatic that they've done this, as it saves me a DNS lookup for every e-mail that comes in:) However, its still their decision... and its my decision to stay a customer of Abovenet's (albeit one hop removed)
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Because Alan Brown is a stubborn bastard who won't ever change his mind about anything.
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7.Some folks at ORBS noticed that they were having trouble with their email (as in, it was taking over a week to get from Europe to NZ), and a cursory check suggested that above.net was sabotaging their email traffic.
And someone who doesn't know how the Internet works jumped to conclusions.
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Because this has been going on for months and months.
I was hoping we'd seen the end of this, but obviously not.
This is designed by the ADSL team. There has been a closed pilot running for several months in London, and they didn't want any speculation, although this has gone screwy with FT and BBC interest (and expect computer mags to be full of speculation this month).
He assured me that his team are in constant contact with the ADSL product team, and NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE. They only reached their pilot target of 900 users 3 weeks ago... and 3 weeks isn't enough to test anything of this size/importance.
A decision will be made at the end of the summer.
Yes, this guy sounded clued.
*shrug* I ain't holding my breath... I'll probably move to.us before.uk gets adsl
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i can understand some of the reasoning behind what they're saying, but the biggest reason the internet breaks today is because of business and politics
if everyone was giving everyone else transit for free, except for leaf networks going down, there would be no real outages. Fibre cut takes out
backbone A's connectivity to backbone B? No matter, we'll just route through C.
Things like this *can* be configured as last chance backups, but business rules dictate that you don't help out your competitors when they're down, you try and steal their customers instead.
As this is the modem that BT insist you use for the residential service.
Strange how this was noticed not long after Alcatel released proprietary drivers for Linux...
Abovenet's customer e-mails don't touch any abovenet mail servers. They're not the type of ISP you can get DSL or dial-in from.
The *only* way they can reduce spam by utilising the RBL is via a BGP feed, which blocks all connectivity to the RBL listed hosts.
I doubt that anyone in a position to decide whether or not to use the MAPS lists is foolish enough to take everything they read on /. without a large pinch of salt.
I don't think its up to MAPS to contact the websites on the block they're hitting. I know that they would have contacted Media3... so I submit that it was Media3's responsibility to warn their customers of the pending lack of connectivity. I also submit that the customers that suffered should claim compensation from Media3.
Umm, Abovenet make it clear on their website that they use the RBL. Any customers or prospective customers that don't know that, didn't do any research.
Nope, this is another example of a poorly researched /. article. /. is rapidly becoming somewhere to go for a laugh to see how badly wrong they've got it this time.
:) However, its still their decision... and its my decision to stay a customer of Abovenet's (albeit one hop removed)
RBL listing of spamware sites is a long established tradition, its public knowledge and is one of the listing criteria: Spam Support
Escalation of listings past single hosts is also known about, this happens when the provider continues to allow the spamming to continue, or moves the host around the netblock to avoid the RBL listing.
You have to go after what hurts the spammers. They don't care if they lose their hotmail account, or their MSN dial up account... as long as people can still view their website.
Oh, and BTW... ISPs have every right to decide what goes on their network. Its *their* property. Abovenet have decided not to allow hosts that are in the RBL to transit their network. Thats fine... as a customer of an Abovenet customer, I'm ecstatic that they've done this, as it saves me a DNS lookup for every e-mail that comes in
Because Alan Brown is a stubborn bastard who
won't ever change his mind about anything.
And someone who doesn't know how the Internet works jumped to conclusions.
Because this has been going on for months and
months.
I was hoping we'd seen the end of this, but
obviously not.
Yeah, we'd had hits from the audience that was /. hadn't posted the story submitted
asking, and
on Monday. I figured its time had been served.
thats funny, http://www.calderasystems.com/ looks remarkably like http://www.caldera.com/
None of the BT numbers know anything about ADSL.
.us before .uk gets adsl
This is designed by the ADSL team. There has been
a closed pilot running for several months in
London, and they didn't want any speculation,
although this has gone screwy with FT and BBC
interest (and expect computer mags to be full of
speculation this month).
He assured me that his team are in constant
contact with the ADSL product team, and NO
DECISION HAS BEEN MADE. They only reached their
pilot target of 900 users 3 weeks ago... and
3 weeks isn't enough to test anything of this
size/importance.
A decision will be made at the end of the summer.
Yes, this guy sounded clued.
*shrug* I ain't holding my breath... I'll
probably move to
-John