Sure they could claim that new code you wrote took advantage of things you learned from reading their code, but they would have to prove it. It is two different things. If they asserted that you had to prove you didn't, they should be shot.
Note also that in the past, lack of access to the source hasn't prevented the *ahem* occasional exploit being developed anyway.
Man, I love that "*ahem* occasional" part.
If you switched your notifications from weekly to monthly because your customers couldn't keep up (or it was too embarassing) wouldn't that tell you that you had a problem?
But these security exposures have all been in an environment where Linux source was generally available for inspection, and Windows source wasn't. A corollary of this is that most of the Linux exposures have been proactively reported, prior to being exploited. With Windows that's not so clear.
You really did miss the point. The WSIS was established to help bridge the "digital devide" between developed and developing countries and societies....and, just what do you think caused this technology gap?
might get in the way of an intellectual property owner's ability to make a profit
Isn't this the same train of thought that was put into SCO's constitutional arguement againt the GPL?
I'm sure I heard that phrase before. I'm just glad it was a quote from the journalist and not from one of the official representatives, although he may be paraphrasing.
If you choose to think back to how the codebase was restored, you will recall that it was verified against the MD5 of "known good" bases submitted by trusted parties.
You may have spent $500 in that store in the past year, but you help yourself to one item of clothing or one can of tuna without paying for it, and all of a sudden they forget that you're a customer.
WTF?
So, you're stating, that it is OK to steal a physical item and, thereby, depriving the proprietor of the establishment the return on their investment (they paid for the item) of their option to persue you as a criminal, simply because you legitimaty purchased there perviously?
In fact, I think I am going to do an audit trail of my computing activity over that time and discover how dangerously close I have come to being compromised.
Don't worry yourself over the audit trail. Where would you like the results e-mailed to?
If you check the "terms and privacy" link you can read that it is not a news story:
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True, but if you replace the 'rk' in Mark with 'ke' and the 'nnis ' in Dennis with 'epshiticancause thecompanyiamabouttoquit' then you have "Make Deepshiticancausethecompanyiamabouttoquit" sounds like an inside job to me.
A tall blond friend in a jacket festooned with anti-Nike logos put his arm around Philet0ast3r and beamed. ''This guy,'' he proclaimed, ''is the best at Visual Basic.''
That's the first time the New York Times made beer come out of my nose!
Slashdot Mirror
what would happen if I search for Weapons of Mass destruction ? ;)
We would hope you had better luck than the weapons inspectors...
- linux router,
- firewall,
- anti-virus, is catching pretty much all.
- profit??
Nope, that doesn't work.Sure they could claim that new code you wrote took advantage of things you learned from reading their code, but they would have to prove it.
It is two different things.
If they asserted that you had to prove you didn't, they should be shot.
have at 'er bey. He's a big lad and can stand up fer 'imself.
Not like a punk who hides in the shadows.
Man, I love that "*ahem* occasional" part.
If you switched your notifications from weekly to monthly because your customers couldn't keep up (or it was too embarassing) wouldn't that tell you that you had a problem?
You mean like this?
Reported and patched at the same time?
I thought it took 200 days to fix a serious problem.
bug buisness
Is that a new euphemism for Microsoft?
<BANG!> One less fishey in the barrel.
You really did miss the point. ...and, just what do you think caused this technology gap?
The WSIS was established to help bridge the "digital devide" between developed and developing countries and societies.
might get in the way of an intellectual property owner's ability to make a profit
Isn't this the same train of thought that was put into SCO's constitutional arguement againt the GPL?
I'm sure I heard that phrase before.
I'm just glad it was a quote from the journalist and not from one of the official representatives, although he may be paraphrasing.
...for many a reminder that anonymity on the Internet is seldom a sure thing.
At least Slashdot has got that right,.. or have they???
But his folly got posted on a major website, with a lot of exposer.
so, Jones is the goatse guy? I thought it was Darl.
If you choose to think back to how the codebase was restored, you will recall that it was verified against the MD5 of "known good" bases submitted by trusted parties.
Not so scary, if you ask me.
Like the amendment to the SCO-Novell purchase?
a tin-foil covered paper hat?
You may have spent $500 in that store in the past year, but you help yourself to one item of clothing or one can of tuna without paying for it, and all of a sudden they forget that you're a customer.
WTF?
So, you're stating, that it is OK to steal a physical item and, thereby, depriving the proprietor of the establishment the return on their investment (they paid for the item) of their option to persue you as a criminal, simply because you legitimaty purchased there perviously?
Man, I'd hate to live in your neighbourhood.
Lars Ulrich of Metallica is a long way fron Christian Hard Rock
In fact, I think I am going to do an audit trail of my computing activity over that time and discover how dangerously close I have come to being compromised.
Don't worry yourself over the audit trail. Where would you like the results e-mailed to?
On top of that, they were told what and how, if not where, the flaw was.
This is from a spoof site called Buddylinks.
If you check the "terms and privacy" link you can read that it is not a news story:
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i really wouldn't consider users to be a security exploit...
Why not? Kevin Mitnik sure thought they were...
Chicken.
Do you wear a visor when playing hockey?
Joking.
Don Cherry is a Dork!
True, but if you replace the 'rk' in Mark with 'ke' and the 'nnis ' in Dennis with 'epshiticancause thecompanyiamabouttoquit' then you have "Make Deepshiticancausethecompanyiamabouttoquit" sounds like an inside job to me.
I have to congratulate you.
You are the first person I have seen to get the punctuation correct in the "I, for one,..." sentence prefix.
Thank you.
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''This guy,'' he proclaimed, ''is the best at Visual Basic.''
That's the first time the New York Times made beer come out of my nose!