My bad - I mis-related what I read in this article without double-checking it. Number's still pretty high though. 108,000 is more than we've lost in our last few "wars" combined.
Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but it's already a war. In the few years of Calderon's term, enough Mexican population has been wiped out over the drug war that if you were to extrapolate the rate of murders to the American population, there'd be 400,000 dead americans. There's daily military activity -- hell, they just had to force mexican military past our border back into mexico last week. Check out the Mexican Drug War update on DRCNet.org.
By the original weak-ass definition, pretty much everything except nihilism becomes a religion. It's semantic stretching to try to make an equivocation, and it doesn't work. Cults can be non-religious, if I am to believe the phrase "Cult of personality". Though I wonder if that is simply an idiomatic/incorrect usage of the word, I am too lazy to look it up right now.
But Dubai is. Go through a Dubai airport, even on a layover, even as a non citizen - if they find you suspicious and you test as having done drugs, you will be jailed for years for internal consumption. and internal consumption laws are proposed in USA all the time. In fact, there may be some on the books for people who get tested when pulled over. I think ILlinois or Wisconsin or something in that area had a law like that on the books. It's not for Iran. BTW We're the ones who imprison 25% of all imprisoned people on planet earth.
Nah. The thieves in this article aren't in my [somewhat dangerous and not well lit] suburban yard, they are around restaurants. Bonus points for humor tho:)
My pipes would never be at risk. AT least, not any pipes that are used. If any pipes are still connected to my house [they shouldn't be, anymore], I'd actually want them to be clogged. I assume that restaurants and thieves are dealing with unfiltered, so I don't really need to do that, the burden of that should be on whoever picks it up to use it as biofuel. So the only other question really is: Would somebody buy 270G of years old grease that had been sitting in a oil drum for years? haha. I'd love to leverage my waste in such a way as to make money off of it...
I have a 270G oil drum from when my house used to be oil heated. No longer used. Could I just dump my kitchen grease in there until it gets full? I guess it would take a few decades to get to 270G. How much does this stuff run?:)
You seem to be the one with more persistence here. I was responding to someone else(you?)'s stupid glue argument. If you're saying I can't discount that argument because it's so stupid that no lawyer would have presented it in the first place, then that criticism of the argument for being so stupid no laywer would present it in the first place should be directed at the guy who presented the stupid idea ("Mr. Glue"), and not the guy who told him the argument was stupid (me). You are criticizing my criticism saying that it is invalid because the original argument would never be presented? Really? It's my problem that someone else's argument that I'm criticising is so poor that no lawyer would present it (according to you)? Really?
If I stopped having something to say, it is not because I had nothing to say, but generally because I find the person is no longer worth saying something to. Like if they are a deliberate asshole.
Congratulations: You've based an argument on circular logic. "A laywer wouldn't argue something he didn't have evidence for, therefore any hypothetical argument made up by parent post is automatically valid because a lawyer would never make it without evidence." Total fail, man. Total fail. You should have quit while you were less behind. You didn't sound like a Christian until this post.
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but will it auto-update me such that existing extensions don't work? (Actually, it can't. Greasemonkey functoinality is built in, and me having to do greasemonkey tasks in Chrome after a Firefox update is precisely what started the slippery slope that ended in me changing my default browser for the first time in 6 or so years.)
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A lot of my computer experiences are worse than the norm. I think most of it is just excessive usage. It's a great mystery. For instance my wife & I built 3 identical computers in 1999. Two were mine (one got upgraded in 2001 and basically became a different computer), one was hers. The one I upgraded lasted til 2007. The one I didn't lasted til 2004. It's 2011 and she's moved on from her 1999 computer (P3 450Mhz), but it's still running perfectly in our bedroom. Even installed a new OS on it last year, and a video card with tv out, so it can operate our bedroom tv. Which we never use. Damn thing won't die. Why can't that be MY computer?
But we do a lot of things other people don't do. At various times our computers control lights with x10, receive infrared with external receivers, transmit audio over FM, have hard-wired audio runs of hundreds of feet in multiple directions, operate a custom ambilight system... we've burned 10,000 discs in 12 years, I have 10TB on my LAN.... had computers with three SATA controllers in them.....and shit is running constantly all the time. So I'd like to think my failures are mostly due to overuse, especially with the case of us having identical hardware and software.
Not sure if this concept transfers over to browsers and software, but it just may.
I would doubt it, though, as I doubt such evidence exists, as I doubt glue is the best thing to use to temporarily attach a device to the underside of a car, especially in light of my own gluing things to cars mishaps. I also doubt that the use of clamps and such damages a car, as nobody would want to buy a monitoring device that damages what it is supposed to monitor. Say it makes the car somehow break sooner. Now you, the device owner, have a non-working car, and are no longer collecting your data. These devices are made by engineers. I think they've thought of these things already.
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No, it doesn't, but I have evidence to support my case, whereas you don't have any evidence to support it being bug free.
. When Firefox upgrades without my permission (which was a first) and then starts crashing while other browsers don't, after having a demonstrated history of doing exactly the same, regardless of windows flavor, hardware, physical location, then I tend to blame Firefox. It was completely and utterly un-usable during 1.x and most of 2.x, but near the end of 2 they gained a lot of stability, which improved with 3, gradually decreased with 4, improved with 5 and 6 (but at that point so many plugins were broken I was already investigationg the competition), and shot it in the toilet with 7 (for many people, not just me). And then there's the fact that when I have problems -- like a JPG not displaying -- I can demonstrate that they only occur in firefox. Not Chrome, IE, or Opera. You see, I like to test these things when they happen, so I can demonstrably know: Yes, this is a problem with firefox. Even if the root cause of the problem is elsewhere, firefox is the one browser poorly written enough for it to manifest.
Then there's mozilla's "bug support". They say extensions cause problems, but their first suggestion to fix any problem is to upgrade to the latest version (incidentally, if it hadn't upgraded without my permission I'd probably be happily and ignorantly using FF4 right now). Of course this disables a lot of plugins, but doens't fix the problem, so I get the worst of both worlds.
Yes. The problem is Firefox. Even if you want to blame it on my system, why is my system (or rather, all my systems, I use 3 computers daily) good enough for every other browser, but not for IE? Even if you want to blame my extensions, why does chrome, running the same functionality (except NoSquint, which I've individually disabled for quite some time to determine that it not to blame either), run the functionality in these extensions (adblock, betterfacebook, greasemonkey scripts)?
In short, it seems that in the absence of any evidence, you somehow want to frame it as some personal reflection of my inability, because you have an illogical fanboyism with Firefox. This is a very human trait of folly that you may want to work on.
I have not addressed that because that was not the question I was answering. Somewhere up the line it was asked, "What would you tell a judge?" I decided to roleplay the judge. I can't tell you why they should be able to damage your car, because I don't think they should be. But I also don't believe that it does. and if i were a judge, you would have to convince me. And if you tried to say they glued them to cars and the glue damaged your car, I would be inclined to think you are a bullshit laywer who doesn't have a clue, and would be inclined to not put as much legal weight behind your arguments (though I would try to ignore that) (but judges are people too).
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I already mentioned (but possibly in a side-post and not a parent-post, so you're forgiven) that this has been consistent across 5 computers and 3+ OSes, including places of employment. Not your list though. You merely cherry picked some of the worst problems -- like taking a problem related to Minecraft, which is an unofficial Firefox -- then threw them together as if they all happened at once. Congrats. You've defeated a straw man. Now please refer to previous slashdot articles about Firefox's memory problems. Now tell me why they don't happen with the other 4 browsers. List your specific reasons why. And don't say extensions. I'm running those in Chrome too.
I guess I just need to look up the word fundamental, cause that's where my disagreement lies. I agree it's different and more. I just don't think "bombing without risk of your plane/people being damaged" is fundamentally different than "bombing with risk of your plane/people being damaged". You're still killing people with a bomb.
The definition I think we are using in this conversation is "belonging to one's innate or ingrained characteristics". I do not consider "the plane dropping you can be damaged" to be an innate, ingrained characteristic of conventional bombs. From suicide bombers to remotely activated IUDs, the risk to the person bombing somebody has never been an innate part of bombing itself. I don't think a nuke fundamentally changes any characteristics of bomb. It is, to me, A REALLY BIG FAT FUCKING HUGE BOMB.
Arguing against myself - The radioactivity may constitute a fundamental difference. Someone other than me should have mentioned that, probably would have shut me up before I wrote all this, haha.
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The only way I know if is via one's brain! The worst machine of all!:)
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I hear ya man -- Be thankful we're not all running IE5 or IE6, hehehehehe.
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Yup, v7 was what finally forced me to take a decision I'd been considering for a long long time - to leave Firefox. I'm glad Chrome came along, though, or else I'd be using IE right now too. IE's come a long way. The problem is, nobody who's opinion really matters on that cares anymore. People are still trying to remove it from their computer and then bragging about taking functionality out of a computer in some kind of "rebellion" from Microsoft that does little to affect anything. Me? I want as many browsers as possible. I use 4 on a daily basis, and have another just in case.
But most everything is Chrome now! I only use IE to display local HTML files I generate with scripts to assist with captioning and tagging my photographs.
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I credit your success to you not running Windows like I do!:) I used Minefield for a long time, but I stopped when I realized there seemed to be a high correlation between Minefield + flash + computer spontaneously rebooting.
You missed my point entirely. Try reading the comment I replied to, then reading my comment again. His argument was based on an unrealistic example of someone damaging your car using glue. Even a judge would hopefully be smart enough to know you don't glue things to the bottom of cars. You ever adhere something to a car? Short of rear-view-window glue (which is pretty damn permanent), it's damn near impossible to glue anything to a car. Even the Jiffy Lube $10 hood ornaments with their supposedly-adaquate adhesive only last a few months.
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I never got to use FF7 long enough to notice. Too little, too late. Not crashing is way more important to me than memory use. Memory use was just an example of memory leaks and such. Anytime I had my browser open (no porn!) for 2 days it would be 1.5G, at any point in my 5 yrs or so of using Firefox. That they fixed it around the time that I finally switched is just a case of too little too late.
Time for clamps (or a clamp-like device) then. Jesus. I prefer to be encased in metal (as body armor) while driving, but I guess the future is better materials. No clue there were non-metal cars!
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My bad - I mis-related what I read in this article without double-checking it. Number's still pretty high though. 108,000 is more than we've lost in our last few "wars" combined.
Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but it's already a war. In the few years of Calderon's term, enough Mexican population has been wiped out over the drug war that if you were to extrapolate the rate of murders to the American population, there'd be 400,000 dead americans. There's daily military activity -- hell, they just had to force mexican military past our border back into mexico last week. Check out the Mexican Drug War update on DRCNet.org.
By the original weak-ass definition, pretty much everything except nihilism becomes a religion. It's semantic stretching to try to make an equivocation, and it doesn't work. Cults can be non-religious, if I am to believe the phrase "Cult of personality". Though I wonder if that is simply an idiomatic/incorrect usage of the word, I am too lazy to look it up right now.
by your weak-ass definition, Republicans are a religion. Fail.
But Dubai is. Go through a Dubai airport, even on a layover, even as a non citizen - if they find you suspicious and you test as having done drugs, you will be jailed for years for internal consumption. and internal consumption laws are proposed in USA all the time. In fact, there may be some on the books for people who get tested when pulled over. I think ILlinois or Wisconsin or something in that area had a law like that on the books. It's not for Iran. BTW We're the ones who imprison 25% of all imprisoned people on planet earth.
It's pretty secure. The raccoons prefer my attic anyway...
Nah. The thieves in this article aren't in my [somewhat dangerous and not well lit] suburban yard, they are around restaurants. Bonus points for humor tho :)
My pipes would never be at risk. AT least, not any pipes that are used. If any pipes are still connected to my house [they shouldn't be, anymore], I'd actually want them to be clogged. I assume that restaurants and thieves are dealing with unfiltered, so I don't really need to do that, the burden of that should be on whoever picks it up to use it as biofuel. So the only other question really is: Would somebody buy 270G of years old grease that had been sitting in a oil drum for years? haha. I'd love to leverage my waste in such a way as to make money off of it...
I have a 270G oil drum from when my house used to be oil heated. No longer used. Could I just dump my kitchen grease in there until it gets full? I guess it would take a few decades to get to 270G. How much does this stuff run? :)
If I stopped having something to say, it is not because I had nothing to say, but generally because I find the person is no longer worth saying something to. Like if they are a deliberate asshole.
Congratulations: You've based an argument on circular logic. "A laywer wouldn't argue something he didn't have evidence for, therefore any hypothetical argument made up by parent post is automatically valid because a lawyer would never make it without evidence." Total fail, man. Total fail. You should have quit while you were less behind. You didn't sound like a Christian until this post.
but will it auto-update me such that existing extensions don't work? (Actually, it can't. Greasemonkey functoinality is built in, and me having to do greasemonkey tasks in Chrome after a Firefox update is precisely what started the slippery slope that ended in me changing my default browser for the first time in 6 or so years.)
A good example of this is the timeline of computers we have, which was how I learned wikipedias timeline markup code: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ClintJCL#Clint.27s_computer_history Mine die faster!
But we do a lot of things other people don't do. At various times our computers control lights with x10, receive infrared with external receivers, transmit audio over FM, have hard-wired audio runs of hundreds of feet in multiple directions, operate a custom ambilight system... we've burned 10,000 discs in 12 years, I have 10TB on my LAN.... had computers with three SATA controllers in them.....and shit is running constantly all the time. So I'd like to think my failures are mostly due to overuse, especially with the case of us having identical hardware and software.
Not sure if this concept transfers over to browsers and software, but it just may.
I would doubt it, though, as I doubt such evidence exists, as I doubt glue is the best thing to use to temporarily attach a device to the underside of a car, especially in light of my own gluing things to cars mishaps. I also doubt that the use of clamps and such damages a car, as nobody would want to buy a monitoring device that damages what it is supposed to monitor. Say it makes the car somehow break sooner. Now you, the device owner, have a non-working car, and are no longer collecting your data. These devices are made by engineers. I think they've thought of these things already.
. When Firefox upgrades without my permission (which was a first) and then starts crashing while other browsers don't, after having a demonstrated history of doing exactly the same, regardless of windows flavor, hardware, physical location, then I tend to blame Firefox. It was completely and utterly un-usable during 1.x and most of 2.x, but near the end of 2 they gained a lot of stability, which improved with 3, gradually decreased with 4, improved with 5 and 6 (but at that point so many plugins were broken I was already investigationg the competition), and shot it in the toilet with 7 (for many people, not just me). And then there's the fact that when I have problems -- like a JPG not displaying -- I can demonstrate that they only occur in firefox. Not Chrome, IE, or Opera. You see, I like to test these things when they happen, so I can demonstrably know: Yes, this is a problem with firefox. Even if the root cause of the problem is elsewhere, firefox is the one browser poorly written enough for it to manifest.
Then there's mozilla's "bug support". They say extensions cause problems, but their first suggestion to fix any problem is to upgrade to the latest version (incidentally, if it hadn't upgraded without my permission I'd probably be happily and ignorantly using FF4 right now). Of course this disables a lot of plugins, but doens't fix the problem, so I get the worst of both worlds.
Yes. The problem is Firefox. Even if you want to blame it on my system, why is my system (or rather, all my systems, I use 3 computers daily) good enough for every other browser, but not for IE? Even if you want to blame my extensions, why does chrome, running the same functionality (except NoSquint, which I've individually disabled for quite some time to determine that it not to blame either), run the functionality in these extensions (adblock, betterfacebook, greasemonkey scripts)?
In short, it seems that in the absence of any evidence, you somehow want to frame it as some personal reflection of my inability, because you have an illogical fanboyism with Firefox. This is a very human trait of folly that you may want to work on.
I have not addressed that because that was not the question I was answering. Somewhere up the line it was asked, "What would you tell a judge?" I decided to roleplay the judge. I can't tell you why they should be able to damage your car, because I don't think they should be. But I also don't believe that it does. and if i were a judge, you would have to convince me. And if you tried to say they glued them to cars and the glue damaged your car, I would be inclined to think you are a bullshit laywer who doesn't have a clue, and would be inclined to not put as much legal weight behind your arguments (though I would try to ignore that) (but judges are people too).
I already mentioned (but possibly in a side-post and not a parent-post, so you're forgiven) that this has been consistent across 5 computers and 3+ OSes, including places of employment. Not your list though. You merely cherry picked some of the worst problems -- like taking a problem related to Minecraft, which is an unofficial Firefox -- then threw them together as if they all happened at once. Congrats. You've defeated a straw man. Now please refer to previous slashdot articles about Firefox's memory problems. Now tell me why they don't happen with the other 4 browsers. List your specific reasons why. And don't say extensions. I'm running those in Chrome too.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fundamental
The definition I think we are using in this conversation is "belonging to one's innate or ingrained characteristics". I do not consider "the plane dropping you can be damaged" to be an innate, ingrained characteristic of conventional bombs. From suicide bombers to remotely activated IUDs, the risk to the person bombing somebody has never been an innate part of bombing itself. I don't think a nuke fundamentally changes any characteristics of bomb. It is, to me, A REALLY BIG FAT FUCKING HUGE BOMB.
Arguing against myself - The radioactivity may constitute a fundamental difference. Someone other than me should have mentioned that, probably would have shut me up before I wrote all this, haha.
The only way I know if is via one's brain! The worst machine of all! :)
I hear ya man -- Be thankful we're not all running IE5 or IE6, hehehehehe.
Yup, v7 was what finally forced me to take a decision I'd been considering for a long long time - to leave Firefox. I'm glad Chrome came along, though, or else I'd be using IE right now too. IE's come a long way. The problem is, nobody who's opinion really matters on that cares anymore. People are still trying to remove it from their computer and then bragging about taking functionality out of a computer in some kind of "rebellion" from Microsoft that does little to affect anything. Me? I want as many browsers as possible. I use 4 on a daily basis, and have another just in case. But most everything is Chrome now! I only use IE to display local HTML files I generate with scripts to assist with captioning and tagging my photographs.
I credit your success to you not running Windows like I do! :) I used Minefield for a long time, but I stopped when I realized there seemed to be a high correlation between Minefield + flash + computer spontaneously rebooting.
You missed my point entirely. Try reading the comment I replied to, then reading my comment again. His argument was based on an unrealistic example of someone damaging your car using glue. Even a judge would hopefully be smart enough to know you don't glue things to the bottom of cars. You ever adhere something to a car? Short of rear-view-window glue (which is pretty damn permanent), it's damn near impossible to glue anything to a car. Even the Jiffy Lube $10 hood ornaments with their supposedly-adaquate adhesive only last a few months.
I never got to use FF7 long enough to notice. Too little, too late. Not crashing is way more important to me than memory use. Memory use was just an example of memory leaks and such. Anytime I had my browser open (no porn!) for 2 days it would be 1.5G, at any point in my 5 yrs or so of using Firefox. That they fixed it around the time that I finally switched is just a case of too little too late.
Time for clamps (or a clamp-like device) then. Jesus. I prefer to be encased in metal (as body armor) while driving, but I guess the future is better materials. No clue there were non-metal cars!