Anyway, the way you are looking at several comments above was: Other people's vices cost you money, and therefore take away your "liberty". Actually, no liberty is taken away. If anything, a system where people share each other's medical costs [which is true under both private and socialized medicine] gives you the liberty to know you can do bad things and still get care. I suppose it's a glass-half-full / glass-half-empty thing.
1) Whether you are addicted has no bearing on its damage to you.
2) You do realize only 10% of smokers gets lung cancer, right? The leading cause of death in this country is heart disease, which is caused by both smoking and ice cream. (In your defense, 90% of lung cancers are smokers.) (In e-cigarette's defenses, no studies have been done demonstrating they cause lung cancer. It would be hard to find a population of users to study. Also, tobacco puts radon in your lungs because it comes from the ground, which has radon. But there's no radon in pure nictoine extract.)
Anyway, Nice attempt to cast the two as completely different, but it's not a fallacy. I could have also just as easily said trans fats, chocolate, skiing, bicycling without a helmet, or any number of other activities that have a measurable effect on people's medical bills.
You seem to have committed some kind of strange reverse strawman, by acting like my example is the ONLY example that could have been used, when in fact that are many things that I could have filled in the blank with, besides ice cream.
LSD is out of the brain before its effects are even felt. It does 0 damage to the brain. Don't confuse post-traumatic stress disorder. You got MRIs of their brain before and after doing LSD? No, didn't think so.
You really should read the articles before posting comments. The mother didn't have custody. If she hacked, that's not just a tort, that's a crime. Possibly federal, if they are in different states.
In a free market, conservative regulation has made it so corporations pay $0 taxes, despite the fact that the concept was originally created to serve the public good, and they had to have their charters renewed every X years to continue to exist. You guys shot yourself in the foot. Personal responsibility: Unless you're a corporation that has the rights of a person. Then you pay $0 tax.
Phones weren't originally protected either, because after all: Your conversation is being broadcast onto public phone lines owned by the public that anyone can listen into. But Congress wised up and legislated specific protections for the phones.
Of course, that was the culture of the late 1800s or so, right? In today's culture, Congress won't give us any protections that decrease their power... And the judiciary will gladly help them.
We're scared so shitless by terrorist deaths that equal one month of car accident deaths (9/11), that we've lost sight of the very meaning of the freedom granted by privacy. The powers that be want power, and nothing else. And they just got some. Over you.
Email is modern mail. These are the same "papers" that the 4th Amendment describes. But they couldn't describe it in terms of technology that didn't exist until 200 years later.
Yes, but not everyone can even afford their employer insurance, let alone extra. I mean, technically, I could have my own personal surgeon full time at my house 24/7 in case I need any emergency service. They're available. If you have enough money, anything is available. (I'd prefer 24/7 whores, personally.) But, But, uh, I couldn't afford to pay a surgeon (or whores) to sit around in my house full time:)
It's sort of like telling a staving kid that there is plenty of food available, in a sense, though this is probably a flawed metaphor because I didn't try to think it through :
First off, I said nothing about cost effective benefit. I don't know why I write one thing, then people respond claiming I said something else completely different.
I also consider it necessary, and am offended that I don't get it, even when I don't need it.
Did you actually read my post, or do your eyes look at posts, and your brain simply makes up alternative narrative?
Right. That sounds pretty good. Still not "free", though, like some other posters were saying. They apparently had it better off than you. I'm just glad I have 20/20 vision, 'cause it definitely would have been some out-of-pocket expense for *me*.
Seeing as my wife & I have collectively had about 9 different employers in 10 yrs, I can pretty conclusively say that here inside the D.C. beltway, vision plans are not standard for white collar jobs. And I'm talking I.T. (me) and accounting (her). And no, it's not covered in normal medical plans.
Not that *I* care too much... I'm 36 and still enjoying my lifelong 20/20 vision.
No, he's not talking about markets at all. He's talking about cartels, actually. Economics 101. Though in this case, they may be de facto cartels, instead of actual conspiratorial cartels.
Huh? I've worked some decent jobs, and pretty much all give medical and dental. No vision plan ever. My wife's lasik, and contacts and glasses before, were all 100% out of pocket. What paradise do you live in where everyone gets free glasses?
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Anyway, the way you are looking at several comments above was: Other people's vices cost you money, and therefore take away your "liberty". Actually, no liberty is taken away. If anything, a system where people share each other's medical costs [which is true under both private and socialized medicine] gives you the liberty to know you can do bad things and still get care. I suppose it's a glass-half-full / glass-half-empty thing.
No, I don't think that... I own an e-cigarette :)
2) You do realize only 10% of smokers gets lung cancer, right? The leading cause of death in this country is heart disease, which is caused by both smoking and ice cream. (In your defense, 90% of lung cancers are smokers.) (In e-cigarette's defenses, no studies have been done demonstrating they cause lung cancer. It would be hard to find a population of users to study. Also, tobacco puts radon in your lungs because it comes from the ground, which has radon. But there's no radon in pure nictoine extract.)
Anyway, Nice attempt to cast the two as completely different, but it's not a fallacy. I could have also just as easily said trans fats, chocolate, skiing, bicycling without a helmet, or any number of other activities that have a measurable effect on people's medical bills.
You seem to have committed some kind of strange reverse strawman, by acting like my example is the ONLY example that could have been used, when in fact that are many things that I could have filled in the blank with, besides ice cream.
Vapor has no smell unless you add additives. I've vaped in restaurants and museums and had people right next to me not notice. Your evidence is anecdotal. My article on getting started with e-cigarettes, including purchase links. I make $0 off of this.
Don't like government and taxes? Pack up and move to Somalia.
My premiums are raised when you drink a beer or eat ice cream. Therefore they should be banned. You may only eat wheatgrass, because I want low bills damnit! Damn socialist! My article on getting started with e-cigarettes, including purchase links. I make $0 off of this.
Therefore, we should ban skiing, football, skateboarding, and all other dangerous activities. Idiots injure themselves, and I'm fed up with it, damnit! My article on getting started with e-cigarettes, including purchase links. I make $0 off of this.
LSD is out of the brain before its effects are even felt. It does 0 damage to the brain. Don't confuse post-traumatic stress disorder. You got MRIs of their brain before and after doing LSD? No, didn't think so.
My article on getting started with e-cigarettes, including purchase links. I make $0 off of this.
You really should read the articles before posting comments. The mother didn't have custody. If she hacked, that's not just a tort, that's a crime. Possibly federal, if they are in different states.
In a free market, conservative regulation has made it so corporations pay $0 taxes, despite the fact that the concept was originally created to serve the public good, and they had to have their charters renewed every X years to continue to exist. You guys shot yourself in the foot. Personal responsibility: Unless you're a corporation that has the rights of a person. Then you pay $0 tax.
You might want to look into the history of the telegraph and the telephone a bit more.
That was hilarious.
Phones weren't originally protected either, because after all: Your conversation is being broadcast onto public phone lines owned by the public that anyone can listen into. But Congress wised up and legislated specific protections for the phones.
Of course, that was the culture of the late 1800s or so, right? In today's culture, Congress won't give us any protections that decrease their power... And the judiciary will gladly help them.
We're scared so shitless by terrorist deaths that equal one month of car accident deaths (9/11), that we've lost sight of the very meaning of the freedom granted by privacy. The powers that be want power, and nothing else. And they just got some. Over you.
Email is modern mail. These are the same "papers" that the 4th Amendment describes. But they couldn't describe it in terms of technology that didn't exist until 200 years later.
Origin of this case is even scarier: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1584520&cid=31495636
It's sort of like telling a staving kid that there is plenty of food available, in a sense, though this is probably a flawed metaphor because I didn't try to think it through :
I also consider it necessary, and am offended that I don't get it, even when I don't need it.
Did you actually read my post, or do your eyes look at posts, and your brain simply makes up alternative narrative?
Right. That sounds pretty good. Still not "free", though, like some other posters were saying. They apparently had it better off than you. I'm just glad I have 20/20 vision, 'cause it definitely would have been some out-of-pocket expense for *me*.
No, but it does represent the extent of insurance that the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of employed people have.
Not that *I* care too much... I'm 36 and still enjoying my lifelong 20/20 vision.
Interesting. Aetna here too, actually.
No, he's not talking about markets at all. He's talking about cartels, actually. Economics 101. Though in this case, they may be de facto cartels, instead of actual conspiratorial cartels.
Wrong.
Huh? I've worked some decent jobs, and pretty much all give medical and dental. No vision plan ever. My wife's lasik, and contacts and glasses before, were all 100% out of pocket. What paradise do you live in where everyone gets free glasses?
2) Yes, most definitely. If you don't understand that, you truly aren't paying attention or exercising a logical understanding of the world.
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