music is made from waveforms. What you would see on an ocilliscope if you were plaing the audio. It has nothing to do with wavelet technology, witch only applies to images and video
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You have two choices. you can A: Find the gene sequence that leads to a predisposition for heart failure, so that it can be removed from the gene pool, saving millions of people each year, or B: Actively stop people from finding it, beacuse it could hypotheticaly be used to stop people from getting insurance, dispite the fact that there are already laws stating that Insurance firms cannot look at your genetic information...
To put this another way, if we had had the ability to do genetic manipulation at the turn of the 20th century, there would have been no Rock & Roll. No Beatles.
That seems like a pretty ridicules statement, why not?
No Relativity.
First of all, I'm pretty sure Enestine was born in the 19th century, but what makes you think he wouldn't have been born?
No nuclear fission or fusion.
What??
Professor Hawking would never have been born, his genes would have marked him as terminally ill. So, no black hole theory, either.
Well, first of all, I don't think hawkings thought up black holes, and second of all, he would still be alive, he just wouldn't have the disease that he does now. I'm sure he would prefer that.
We help the weak, not for gain, but for satisfaction at worst, altruism at best. We condemn senseless killing because it robs the innocent of life, not because we fear it happening to us. This is also the basis for such novel concepts as family, community, et al, banding together for mutual benfit, but not for that reason alone.The problem with natural-selection, then, is not in its truth or falsity, but in the way it changes attitudes, to the very survival-values egotism is based on.
Actualy, all of those things are evolutionary traits. When we help another human, we help propagate the human race. For every human saved, there are thousands uppon thousands of humans born.
The problem is the machinery merely existing means it would be used for broader purposes, including the merely cosmetic. And when it is used, it will diminish the genetic diversity of our species
I guess you don't know much about genetics. The way you look has nothing to do with how susceptible you are to a pathogen. No one would want to have a child that is not of there own DNA, that would be boring, and pointless. You'd be carrying, and raising someone else's child.
It is possible to remove or add one trait, and leave the others alone. Changing someone's Eye color is not going to reduce genetic diversity.
Back the f*cking truck up! My son (as I do) has allergies. He most likely got them from me. Are you saying that I'm a bad person for giving him allergies? I don't think so. I would never hurt my children intentionally. I am not maiming my children by not having them genetically engineered.
No one is saying that. However, If you had the ability to Not give your child allergies, would you have? If your answer is yes, they you would have harmed them.
Bad genes are weeded out of the gene pool by natural selection. Darwin anyone? The human race will become a genetic utopia in time. Give us a few million years, and I think we'll all be better off.
No. unfit genes are weeded out. The only requirements for being fit is whether or not you can A: survive, and B: reproduce. If you can do A and B, then you are fit. Nothing else matters. As medical technology improves, the situation only gets worse. People who otherwise would not have been able to do A or B are able to, and the overall 'quality' of our Gene pool goes down.
The solution to this is to introduce new Genomes into the pool, which counteract the bad ones being replicated. "Enhanced" humans will mate with "regular" ones, and the "enhancements" can propagate throughout the species. (We should wait until we actually know what were doing though, but the Human Genome project is a step in that direction)
As far as causing harm by not acting, that just pissed me off. How dare you accuse parents of maiming their children! Have a few kids and then rethink this argument.
I think its time you rethought your response. I have bad Eyesight, and I'm a terrible speller. If I had the ability to not pass those traits on to my children, I would. I want my kids to be a close to me genetically as they can be. But by not removing those genomes, I would be doing the same thing as putting them in there myself
Geneticly engineered children. What happens to the "love children" when this comes about. Obviously, they would be repressed as imperfect for even the slightest defect... even one's that aren't visable that we think nothing of today.
Yes, Obviously
We all know the plotline to the movie Gattaca, what the plot of the movie has to do with reality is another matter.
Geneticly engineered children. What happens to the "love children" when this comes about. Obviously, they would be repressed as imperfect for even the slightest defect... even one's that aren't visable that we think nothing of today.
Yes, Obviously
We all know the plotline to the movie Gattaca, what the plot of the movie has to do with reality is another matter.
Anyway people have been doing phenotypic selection for a very long time, I don't see how genotypic selection is any worse. People should have a right to know about any defects that the person they are going to be reproducing with might have.
I don't know about the rest of you, but honestly this really frightens me. With the advent of the 'Perfect Baby' everyone will be running around carrying a miniature Leonardo DiCaprio or a tiny Cameron Diaz. And with that, they'll all be exactly identical, no more individuals - sorry. Maybe I'm wrong here (more than likely), but doesn't creativity occur when individuals decide to think out of the box? If we were all happy with our state of mediocrity would we even have Linux? Perhaps Torvalds would've never written anything and just gone on with his lovely life where everyone's beautiful.
1) The human genome project has nothing to do with 'perfect babies' 2) Not everyone's definition of Perfection is Leonardo DiCaprio 3) Individuality has nothing to do with DNA (I know two people who, despite having identical DNA are quite different and very creative) 4) Creativity has nothing to do with individuality. Nothing is stopping similar people from creating.
Hey, does anyone know who exactly it is that's getting there DNA seqenced? I heard it was about 500 people, but I remember reading that it wasn't a very ethnicaly diverce group...
I belive the poster is only talking about the last 100 or so years. We arn't really to the point of 'no more evolution' but we are getting there, quickly.
I think gamate manipulation (replicating editing) is the only true solution. No one has to die, or be stelized. Once the new genomes are created they will replicate through out the genepool
Well, you've basicaly just described the current situation in the world and added the word "genetic."
Remember, the education someone recives while growing up can effect there IQ by 70%, 3rd world leaders will mearly have to try to get strong genotypes bread into there populations like they need to get good education now.
Hey now, the former describes a lot of my musical heroes...
Doctor: "Madem, I'm afraid that any children you might have will have a pre-disposition for alcholism, and depression" Woman: "Oh, my goodness. Is there anything we can do to fix that?" Doctor: "Yes, the genetic technology exsists, however. We don't do that beacuse, sevral well known composers also had these problems. Theres a very, very slight chance that your depressed kids might come up with some good music, so we are not going to treat you".
Well, the majority of meinal, true-minimum wage jobs are held by Teenagers, Highschool students who want to make a few extra dolars.
If we lived in a world with super-intelgent people, you could just have teens, and collage students do the crapy work, and then have to good jobs later
If I have the plans to build a pipe bomb then all I have to do is obtain the materials to make it.
if I have an empty can of Sprite, I can take it to the recycling center and get fifty cents for it. What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Nothing.
I'd like to see you try building an atom bomb. You can find plans for that on the Internet to.
An atom bomb is several orders of magnitude more complex then a pipe bomb, and human being is several orders of magnitude more complex then an Atom bomb
Ok so the evil government wants to control people but they loathe to do it with easily detectible means. So what better way then to stop rebellion at the source. Just genetically engineer stupid, vapid, but stunningly beautiful people. This is all too similar to Hitler's arian race concept.
Well, the reason they wouldn't is beacuse they would have to be replaced by these people at some time. It would serve no purpose.
Also, while atractive they wouldn't be very effectual. You could enginer them, but in order to propagte, they would ether have to mate with the 'normals', or have them removed by some other means. If there 'vapid', they would only want to sleep with eachother. And if there stupid, they woudln't be able to figure out how to pull off a holocost.
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dude, if you going to be pirating anyway...
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
music is made from waveforms. What you would see on an ocilliscope if you were plaing the audio. It has nothing to do with wavelet technology, witch only applies to images and video
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
well, I nominate myself as the greatest geek of the past 17 hours, having contributed this slashdot post to the world.
Oh, and to those who say that third millennium dosn't start untill 2001, stfu
"Suble Mind control? why do html buttons say submit?",
This artical needs two more points to move from number 10 to number 9 in the 'slashdot hall of fame' And I'm going to move it there :P
You have two choices. you can
A: Find the gene sequence that leads to a predisposition for heart failure, so that it can be removed from the gene pool, saving millions of people each year, or
B: Actively stop people from finding it, beacuse it could hypotheticaly be used to stop people from getting insurance, dispite the fact that there are already laws stating that Insurance firms cannot look at your genetic information...
Would you really chose B?
Before penicilen, you could litiraly Die from getting a simple cut.
Today, that is unheard of, why? beacuse of antibiotics.
I'm not sure where you would place antibiotics, in number 2 or number 3. To me, they would clearly fit under number two. number 3 is imposible
Yes, but then, without a hammer, you can't pound nails at all.
However, we should look at things like this. There is no reason to have antibiotics in cold medicen, for example
To put this another way, if we had had the ability to do genetic manipulation at the turn of the 20th century, there would have been no Rock & Roll. No Beatles.
That seems like a pretty ridicules statement, why not?
No Relativity.
First of all, I'm pretty sure Enestine was born in the 19th century, but what makes you think he wouldn't have been born?
No nuclear fission or fusion.
What??
Professor Hawking would never have been born, his genes would have marked him as terminally ill. So, no black hole theory, either.
Well, first of all, I don't think hawkings thought up black holes, and second of all, he would still be alive, he just wouldn't have the disease that he does now. I'm sure he would prefer that.
We help the weak, not for gain, but for satisfaction at worst, altruism at best. We condemn senseless killing because it robs the innocent of life, not because we fear it happening to us. This is also the basis for such novel concepts as family, community, et al, banding together for mutual benfit, but not for that reason alone.The problem with natural-selection, then, is not in its truth or falsity, but in the way it changes attitudes, to the very survival-values egotism is based on.
Actualy, all of those things are evolutionary traits. When we help another human, we help propagate the human race. For every human saved, there are thousands uppon thousands of humans born.
The problem is the machinery merely existing means it would be used for broader purposes, including the merely cosmetic. And when it is used, it will diminish the genetic diversity of our species
I guess you don't know much about genetics. The way you look has nothing to do with how susceptible you are to a pathogen. No one would want to have a child that is not of there own DNA, that would be boring, and pointless. You'd be carrying, and raising someone else's child.
It is possible to remove or add one trait, and leave the others alone. Changing someone's Eye color is not going to reduce genetic diversity.
Back the f*cking truck up! My son (as I do) has allergies. He most likely got them from me. Are you saying that I'm a bad person for giving him allergies? I don't think so. I would never hurt my children intentionally. I am not maiming my children by not having them genetically engineered.
No one is saying that. However, If you had the ability to Not give your child allergies, would you have? If your answer is yes, they you would have harmed them.
Bad genes are weeded out of the gene pool by natural selection. Darwin anyone? The human race will become a genetic utopia in time. Give us a few million years, and I think we'll all be better off.
No. unfit genes are weeded out. The only requirements for being fit is whether or not you can A: survive, and B: reproduce. If you can do A and B, then you are fit. Nothing else matters. As medical technology improves, the situation only gets worse. People who otherwise would not have been able to do A or B are able to, and the overall 'quality' of our Gene pool goes down.
The solution to this is to introduce new Genomes into the pool, which counteract the bad ones being replicated. "Enhanced" humans will mate with "regular" ones, and the "enhancements" can propagate throughout the species. (We should wait until we actually know what were doing though, but the Human Genome project is a step in that direction)
As far as causing harm by not acting, that just pissed me off. How dare you accuse parents of maiming their children! Have a few kids and then rethink this argument.
I think its time you rethought your response. I have bad Eyesight, and I'm a terrible speller. If I had the ability to not pass those traits on to my children, I would. I want my kids to be a close to me genetically as they can be. But by not removing those genomes, I would be doing the same thing as putting them in there myself
Geneticly engineered children. What happens to the "love children" when this comes about. Obviously, they would be repressed as imperfect for even the slightest defect... even one's that aren't visable that we think nothing of today.
Yes, Obviously
We all know the plotline to the movie Gattaca, what the plot of the movie has to do with reality is another matter.
Geneticly engineered children. What happens to the "love children" when this comes about. Obviously, they would be repressed as imperfect for even the slightest defect... even one's that aren't visable that we think nothing of today.
Yes, Obviously
We all know the plotline to the movie Gattaca, what the plot of the movie has to do with reality is another matter.
Just date atractive asian chicks....
Anyway people have been doing phenotypic selection for a very long time, I don't see how genotypic selection is any worse. People should have a right to know about any defects that the person they are going to be reproducing with might have.
I don't know about the rest of you, but honestly this really frightens me. With the advent of the 'Perfect Baby' everyone will be running around carrying a miniature Leonardo DiCaprio or a tiny Cameron Diaz. And with that, they'll all be exactly identical, no more individuals - sorry. Maybe I'm wrong here (more than likely), but doesn't creativity occur when individuals decide to think out of the box? If we were all happy with our state of mediocrity would we even have Linux? Perhaps Torvalds would've never written anything and just gone on with his lovely life where everyone's beautiful.
1) The human genome project has nothing to do with 'perfect babies'
2) Not everyone's definition of Perfection is Leonardo DiCaprio
3) Individuality has nothing to do with DNA (I know two people who, despite having identical DNA are quite different and very creative) 4) Creativity has nothing to do with individuality. Nothing is stopping similar people from creating.
Well, with or without the human genome, they'll still be able to figure it out.
Thats why there are laws dissalowing Insurance companys from geting your genetic data
The human Genome Project is not about having the right genes, mearly about Knowing what genes we have
Hey, does anyone know who exactly it is that's getting there DNA seqenced? I heard it was about 500 people, but I remember reading that it wasn't a very ethnicaly diverce group...
I belive the poster is only talking about the last 100 or so years. We arn't really to the point of 'no more evolution' but we are getting there, quickly.
I think gamate manipulation (replicating editing) is the only true solution. No one has to die, or be stelized. Once the new genomes are created they will replicate through out the genepool
No one is saying "Hey You! out of the gene pool!" there simply saying "Lets put this in the gene pool"
Hitler liked lobster, does that make eating lobster inherantly evil?
While trying to selectivly breed humans could be a bad thing, no one is talking about doing that, only adding new genotypes into the pool.
Well, you've basicaly just described the current situation in the world and added the word "genetic."
Remember, the education someone recives while growing up can effect there IQ by 70%, 3rd world leaders will mearly have to try to get strong genotypes bread into there populations like they need to get good education now.
Hey now, the former describes a lot of my musical heroes...
Doctor: "Madem, I'm afraid that any children you might have will have a pre-disposition for alcholism, and depression"
Woman: "Oh, my goodness. Is there anything we can do to fix that?" Doctor: "Yes, the genetic technology exsists, however. We don't do that beacuse, sevral well known composers also had these problems. Theres a very, very slight chance that your depressed kids might come up with some good music, so we are not going to treat you".
Well, the majority of meinal, true-minimum wage jobs are held by Teenagers, Highschool students who want to make a few extra dolars.
If we lived in a world with super-intelgent people, you could just have teens, and collage students do the crapy work, and then have to good jobs later
If I have the plans to build a pipe bomb then all I have to do is obtain the materials to make it.
if I have an empty can of Sprite, I can take it to the recycling center and get fifty cents for it. What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Nothing.
I'd like to see you try building an atom bomb. You can find plans for that on the Internet to.
An atom bomb is several orders of magnitude more complex then a pipe bomb, and human being is several orders of magnitude more complex then an Atom bomb
Ok so the evil government wants to control people but they loathe to do it with easily detectible means. So what better way then to stop rebellion at the source. Just genetically engineer stupid, vapid, but stunningly beautiful people. This is all too similar to Hitler's arian race concept.
Well, the reason they wouldn't is beacuse they would have to be replaced by these people at some time. It would serve no purpose.
Also, while atractive they wouldn't be very effectual. You could enginer them, but in order to propagte, they would ether have to mate with the 'normals', or have them removed by some other means. If there 'vapid', they would only want to sleep with eachother. And if there stupid, they woudln't be able to figure out how to pull off a holocost.