they quote a dell spokeswoman saying that a configuration like that costs about 3 million with installation. it also states that UT gets an educational discount, but doesnt say how much they got off the $3million. if the 38 million were correct, theyd be spending on the order of 120,000 per machine....a 2650 with highest processors and max ram only comes out to $13,500 on dells site...yeesh
according to the world almanac, the combined population of and england and wales is about 49 million, while the population of the us is about 280 million. so thats about 1632 copies per 100k in England/wales and about 1857 in the US. it was also the fastest selling title of all time in the UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2449687.stm
fair enough. i shouldn't have replied in this thread, since this was focused on the law, but in the other thread, i was replying to someone who had posted a dictionary definition. in response to your first paragraph, the example of stealing an idea doesn't fit what you're saying, and plenty of people use steal that way. again though, shouldn't have replied in this thread.
what about theft of an idea? how is that removed from the original owner? "You not only steal my ideas,..but [etc.]..No man like you for stealing other men's inventions." is one of the usages they cite. how are those different from this case? neither is removed, and any income would also be speculative.
i understand your argument, and i'm not trying to side with the riaa. however, the oeds definition of "to steal" which i cited has no such requirement. thats what it means by immaterial. in general i agree with what you're saying, but every time slashdot posts something about copyrights, half the posts are people yelling about how you can't call it stealing since it's copyright infringement. that's true in the context of US law, but when people start pasting dictionary definitions, they're making the argument that it is not a valid use of the word. it's similar to saying "you stole my idea." (this is an example of this usage that the oed gives) an idea is no more tangible than a song.
it's a valid usage of the word stole. it may not be considered theft in US law, but from the oed: steal: 1d. In wider sense: To take or appropriate dishonestly (anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial).
oops, thats a def of stealing actually theft is defined as action of a thief thief is defined as one who takes portable property from another without knowledge or consent OR one who steals (see parent for def) (all from oed)
i beleive what youre thinking of is that the government didnt allow the gps people to make it more accurate than a certain amount, but it can actually be accurate to like 3 meters, or something like that. the government also lowered the limit sometime in the past year i think.
Unacceptable publications include, but are not limited to: Material that is ruled unlawful in the jurisdiction of the originating server (Such as child pornography or other obscene material.
wouldnt this mean that you couldnt host mp3s, decss etc..?
while i agree with you that its a good thing that cisco came out with this, MMDS _has_ been availible to consumers for at _least_ a year (the company i work for has been reselling the product at least since i joined a year ago.) www.spke.com
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the cost in that journal article seems much much too high. poked around and found this article at infoworld: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/10/03/HNdellcl uster_1.html
they quote a dell spokeswoman saying that a configuration like that costs about 3 million with installation. it also states that UT gets an educational discount, but doesnt say how much they got off the $3million.
if the 38 million were correct, theyd be spending on the order of 120,000 per machine....a 2650 with highest processors and max ram only comes out to $13,500 on dells site...yeesh
according to the world almanac, the combined population of and england and wales is about 49 million, while the population of the us is about 280 million.
so thats about 1632 copies per 100k in England/wales and about 1857 in the US. it was also the fastest selling title of all time in the UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2449687.stm
ok, now i understand what you meant. you've convinced me ;)
thanks for the thorough response.
fair enough. i shouldn't have replied in this thread, since this was focused on the law, but in the other thread, i was replying to someone who had posted a dictionary definition.
in response to your first paragraph, the example of stealing an idea doesn't fit what you're saying, and plenty of people use steal that way.
again though, shouldn't have replied in this thread.
what about theft of an idea? how is that removed from the original owner? "You not only steal my ideas,..but [etc.]..No man like you for stealing other men's inventions." is one of the usages they cite. how are those different from this case? neither is removed, and any income would also be speculative.
i understand your argument, and i'm not trying to side with the riaa. however, the oeds definition of "to steal" which i cited has no such requirement. thats what it means by immaterial.
in general i agree with what you're saying, but every time slashdot posts something about copyrights, half the posts are people yelling about how you can't call it stealing since it's copyright infringement. that's true in the context of US law, but when people start pasting dictionary definitions, they're making the argument that it is not a valid use of the word. it's similar to saying "you stole my idea." (this is an example of this usage that the oed gives) an idea is no more tangible than a song.
it's a valid usage of the word stole. it may not be considered theft in US law, but from the oed:
steal:
1d. In wider sense: To take or appropriate dishonestly (anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial).
oops, thats a def of stealing actually
theft is defined as action of a thief
thief is defined as one who takes portable property from another without knowledge or consent OR one who steals (see parent for def) (all from oed)
from the oed:
1d. In wider sense: To take or appropriate dishonestly (anything belonging to another, whether material or immaterial).
i beleive what youre thinking of is that the government didnt allow the gps people to make it more accurate than a certain amount, but it can actually be accurate to like 3 meters, or something like that. the government also lowered the limit sometime in the past year i think.
Unacceptable publications include, but are not limited to:
Material that is ruled unlawful in the jurisdiction of the originating server (Such as child pornography or other obscene material.
wouldnt this mean that you couldnt host mp3s, decss etc..?
while i agree with you that its a good thing that cisco came out with this, MMDS _has_ been availible to consumers for at _least_ a year (the company i work for has been reselling the product at least since i joined a year ago.)
www.spke.com