I don't think that we can know the intent of anybody. The little idiot may think he is actually doing good. Frankly I was talking to my wife and though just how brilliant this could be. If I was an Episcopal priest I would be very tempted to hold a Koran burning. The Bishop would freak out. My congregation would probably have a fit. The News services would be all over and the place would be flooded with protesters. Than at the last moment I would simply say that I never intended to burn the Koran because it would be wrong. I would thank the protesters for showing the world that Americans really do respect others faiths for the most part. I would thank the President for show his displeasure at this rude action but for respecting freedom of speech to allow it with out approving it. I would then ask any Muslims that took honest offense but where not going to react with violence to forgive my sham. It was the only way I could get the press to report on the true tolerance of the American people was by inflaming them to stand up and force the press to take count.
That way I could keep the press away from all the little idiots that would try to grab a big stage. I do not think this bozo is thinking this way and frankly it is super high risk at best but it is the only way I could come up with to keep a little idiot from taking the stage.
Yes and it opens up the option to use Broadcom chips on all sorts of embedded devices. Including those running on ARM, PPC, Mips, SH4 and goodness knows what else.
Well Iran was siding with Hitler in 1941 so yea they got invaded. The rest is pretty ugly. I fear we believed "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" Sometimes that are just the next enemy in the making.
The thing is that I can not change history. But the thing is that they need to see that a lot more people think this is wrong than think that this is right.
What I do not like is the flap over the Islamic Cultural center near Ground Zero. That shows a lot more intolerance than this little idiot with a big stage.
Really? So you feel that way about people burning the flag and South Park?
Sometimes ignoring idiots is the best choice. This guy is a little idiot that has gotten a big stage. If he had burned the Koran in Gainesville in front of his 50 folks no one would be harmed. Now that it is blasted to the world... A little idiot is now a big man.
I never said that it was a good idea for the Church to burn the Koran. This church is in the US so from a legal point of view on the US counts. Imagine if the US wanted France to ban a movie because we didn't like.
Maybe I am wrong but I would hope that majority of Muslims would understand that this guy is an isolated wack job. I also have faith that if their news organisations reported honestly about the thousands of people that are protesting this little idiot and the good number of churches that are having Koran readings and trying to be inclusive that they would get a different prospective. Frankly I do not think that average Muslim in the street is any dumber than I am. The problem will be if the can get the truth. Frankly I bet that the average Muslim in the street isn't any different than the average Christian in the street. The issue will be is will they get to here the truth. And frankly the truth is that if this idiot doesn't burn one some other idiot with an ax to grind and a lust for PR is going to. Right now I will bet you that 20 members of the KKK and maybe even a few NeoNazis are buying Korans and matches right now.
No sir you are again wrong. Manning was not given an illegal order an illegal order. That video was on the JAG server. It was being used in an investigation. The other data he may have leaked here classified communications that HAD NO CRIMINAL DATA in them at all. Do you really think that no civilian authority at the White House or the Pentagon knew that the video existed? Really? Funny But I remember the Obama administration getting a request for it and turning it down. Nope if Manning did this he was living up to the trust. What you and so many other people don't get is that the US Military is just the gun. It is the Civilian powers that pull the trigger. If Obama and Congress wanted the US military out of Iraq and Afganistan all they have to do is give the order. If they want all gun camera video dumped on the Internet they just have to give the order. As long as the orders give the military are not illegal then they must obey. If the President had ordered that video to be released but a military officer had hidden it. Then Manning would be in the right. But the US government that was freely elected by the people of the US said to not release that video. Manning disobeyed his orders which just can not be tolerated.
I never said that Rackspace was breaking the law or couldn't do that. However I do feel that what they are doing is counter to the spirit of freedom of speech and religion that we value in the US.
They may have the legal right to do that but even that I question. What is hate speech? Will RackSpace refuse to host any church that thinks they have the "correct" church? That would imply that all other churches are not correct as well as Jews, Muslims, and Atheists. BTW that would also ban all Jewish, Muslim and Atheist sites as well. Is saying that someone is wrong hate speech?
BTW my company uses Rackspace and will keep using them. Frankly I think they are a great company to work with. Their support is great and everybody I have had to deal with is knowledgeable and professional. I just think that they are in this case acting out of fear or a misguided sense of duty.
Frankly I totally disagree with. Those of us discussing if it is right or not to pull the site have no effect on the big question. The root problem frankly is that the press is blowing this way up and IMHO showing the bad side and not all the good people that oppose this little idiot.
I want this POST REMOVED NOW! I am DEEPLY OFFENDED BY IT! It insults my basic beliefs! This post is as offensive as what the Pastor in Gainesville is doing. Okay every one that has posted that they think that RackSpace is doing the right thing post now! Let's see if Slashdot is as brave as RackSpace.
"(2) There's a legal and moral distinction between being insulting or derogatory speech (Westergaard, Onion) and inciting violence (Dove)." Really? So if a group in the US said that if you burn the US flag we will start killing people then the act of burning the US flag should be banned? This is not inciting violence! Inciting to violence would be saying something like. "Those Star Trek fans are evil! We must get guns and knives and kill them all!" Telling people to riot or to kill people is inciting violence. Saying something that causes people to act violent because they disagree isn't/ If it was then MLK and Gandhi where guilty of inciting violence!
Yea well see every other post about stores not carrying games that have an adult ratting, Walmart not carrying music with bad language, or Comedy Comedy Central not showing a certain South Park.
Not a new thing. How ever the question is should a hosting company decide what is hate speech and what isn't. Or a better question is should Rackspace have taken this level of judgement on themselves. No this is not Constitutional law case but it is a case of should Rackspace have taken this step and is within the spirit of Freedom of Speech and frankly Freedom of Religion that we value in the nation? I do not think anyone feels this is illegal yust possibly immoral.
Okay let me help you out a bit. The Imam is not a radical at all. He is a moderate and this isn't a Mosque it is a cultural out reach center. It has been in the works for months and no one got bent until recently. Frankly this Imam seems like a good person. Guess what Muslims dies in the Towers on 9/11, so did Jews, Christians, Atheists, and probably Buddhists all of the Americans. It isn't a victory Mosque but if it is a victory for an Islamic center to be built near the Ground Zero BTW it isn't on the WTC site it is near it. Then it is a victory for the US for it to be built there. I just wish more people understood that. We really are a tolerant people at heart. The problem is that we are getting manipulated by press. They love to get us fired up because it sells. As to the Greek Orthodox church yep that is wrong. They need to get a permit fast tracked today, but guess what? Two wrongs do not make a right. Let's fix that wrong and not use it as an excuse for another wrong.
No he is just a PR seeking wack job. Nope this is freedom of speech. Clear and simple. I really do not like what he is doing. I think it is wrong and frankly evil. But then a lot of what happens on line I find offensive, wrong and evil. But what he is doing isn't any different that burning a Bible or the US flag. Frankly it isn't any more evil than many comments I have seen on Slashdot! You know I could post some vile anti Muslim comments right in this comment. They would be every bit as bad as what this guy is going to do. Should this comment be delete? Should Slashdot's hosting company take it down if I did that?
I will refrain from actually doing that not out of fear but because I believe it is wrong and my faith teaches that it would be wrong.
It is easy to be for freedom of speech when you agree with it. It is when the speech is unpopular and yes even rude that it must be protected. So if you are okay with hosting companies doing this then be ready for the fall out.
Actually I don't know how awesome this really is. While I do think the guy in Gainesville is an idiot Rackspace is pretty much hitting attacking. 1. His freedom of speech. 2. He and his congratulation freedom of religion. Frankly I have seen posts on Slashdot every bit as offensive as what this guy has said towards Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Should Slashdot have a "spine" and pull those comments.? Sinead O'Connor tore up a picture of the Pope on Nation TV. Should her website also be taken down? Isn't that hate speech? Should a group that burns the US flag have their website taken down. As far as I know this guy has not called for the extermination of all Muslims. I would check his website to be sure but... I can not.
What EVERYBODY is missing is the real problem. The real problem isn't this wackadoodle in Gainesville and his church of 50 people. There has always been nuts and always will be nuts. I can find you a websites that say the Denver Airport is the a secret government base and that the old USAF SAGE base on Long Island was used for mind control experiments. The problem is the press! They are giving this idiot attention and press. Imagine how important this nutball is now that he is getting talked about by the president of the US! This is really the presses fault. He is a small man in a small Florida town, with a tiny congregation that really doesn't matter at all. He is doing a stupid thing and the press is giving him a mountain of publicity!
What is really out of proportion is that there are probably 100 times the people in that small Florida town that are reacting the opposite way. There are many churches that are going to have reading from the Quran. Or the many people that are protesting his church for doing it. Frankly if this was reported honestly and fairly in the press. I do mean all the press. It show the US as being very tolerant of the Muslim faith. The simple truth is a one nut with 50 followers is getting more PR and attention than the many hundreds and or thousands that oppose them. It proves that is is far easier to do what is wrong than what is right.
How they are treating Manning? If he leaked those documents he violated so many laws that it is mind numbing. He is not convicted yet so I said if. Wow you are so clueless that it isn't worth the effort. Simply put if the US government is as evil as you think and as powerful as you think then this guy is dead. He would have been dead a long time ago. And it would look like he caught the flu or a random car accident.
But he is running around running his mouth and living the high life. Nope your just wrong. And as too Manning that last thing that anybody really wants is for the people of the military to feel that they can just refuse or make up their orders. They must answer to civilan authorities. Manning violated that trust.
Gutsier? Yea that wins for the stupidest thing I heard today. Wow do you have a little shine to this guy where you make offerings? He is in no danger. Guess what if the US wanted him dead do you really think he would still be alive? You are naive if you really think that. But it does make he seem exciting and sexy... He is at best a bad journalist that slants stories as severely as Fox ever did. As far as a transparent society goes. Better read his comments about how people need to stay out of his "personal" life.
Thanks for the post. The current Samsung line seems to have the best GPU performance by far in the smart phone market. Problem is that right now very few programs use it. But yea Apple probably could have made that claim last month but not today.
But that is the thing. Enterprise buyers know that the HP laptop in Walmart is just that a Walmart Laptop. But the Server is from the same people that made the PA-RISC and Superdomes. Dell makes pretty good PCs and laptops but their servers are nothing that special. And Dell has nothing to same catagory as IBMs I,P, or Z series or HPs Superdome.
What they sell to consumers is really just doesn't matter to Enterprise buyers. Just as they didn't care about the piece of junk PCjr IBM sold. They know they are from another division. But Dell just lacks the high end that gives their medium end creditability that could lead to a premium price. Dells are as Commodore used to be. Computers for the Masses not the Classes. It is very hard to break out of the value segment into the premium segment.
People want cheap. Pus people like Dell and HP both have to compete with people like Supermicro and NewEgg. The only money place that really big money can be made these days is in the enterprise. HP has been in that market for a very long time. If you look at HPs Peers you will see just how many are now gone. Control Data, Data General, and DEC are all gone. That pretty much leaves just HP and IBM from the old guard. And frankly that still counts. The people buying or the people over the people buying know that HP has real roots and is still seems like a real technology company. It doesn't matter that they make cheap notebooks for the home market now because they have always made high end systems like the PA-RISC, Superdome, going back to the 2100 minicomputers from the 60s.
How is Dell any different from Supermicro or Asus? Dell has no real history of RnD. They are just an assembler.
HP actually made their own CPUs PA-RISC which they made up till 2008. They worked with Intel on the Itantium and seem to be the only people that can make money selling them. IBM well IBM is IBM. They have have made more different CPUs than you can shake a stick at. Dell takes parts and puts them in a box. Kind of like a mom and pop computer store. Dell doesn't make crap and we have one of there server boxes in our rack. It works very well but we could have gone to newegg and put together something just as impressive.
Umm we are talking relative to a 6502. Floating point? I am not sure that the 6502 even had multiply and divide. It has been a long time. This discussion has gotten me reading up on mainframes and for the life of me I find IBM to a confusing company. The 360 was supposed to be a universal system. Great plan. A customer could start with a 360/20 and keep right one going up. Then they came out with all sorts of different computers that fragmented their user base. I guess part of it was they where getting the company ready to be split up if they lost the anti-trust case. After reading the history I just had to wonder what would have happened if IBM had made a since chip CPU based on the 360/20 and used that with say CTSS as the bases of the IBM PC. I see no reason why the 360/20 couldn't have been made into a microprocessor. If IBM had done things right by sell the CPUs and OS to clone makers they could have been as Microsoft, Intel, and IBM today combined. Of course eventually we would have had Linux running on them and we would probably see embedded microcontolers based on the 360 ISA. Oh well.
I thought that they had moved the System/Z to RISC emulation a while ago. I know they did with the old AS/400 and thought they had with the 360/370/390. And I sure wouldn't called the X86 as new. That is why I said it was also an old CISC system. Also it was only a bit over one decade 12 years I believe. Also the 8086 was built off the 8080 and 8085 ISA so it is pretty old and crusty. And let's face it the 360 ISA is considered one of those milestone ISAs like the VAX and ARM unlike the x86 which is considered more of a millstone than a milestone.
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I don't think that we can know the intent of anybody. The little idiot may think he is actually doing good. Frankly I was talking to my wife and though just how brilliant this could be.
If I was an Episcopal priest I would be very tempted to hold a Koran burning.
The Bishop would freak out. My congregation would probably have a fit.
The News services would be all over and the place would be flooded with protesters.
Than at the last moment I would simply say that I never intended to burn the Koran because it would be wrong. I would thank the protesters for showing the world that Americans really do respect others faiths for the most part. I would thank the President for show his displeasure at this rude action but for respecting freedom of speech to allow it with out approving it. I would then ask any Muslims that took honest offense but where not going to react with violence to forgive my sham. It was the only way I could get the press to report on the true tolerance of the American people was by inflaming them to stand up and force the press to take count.
That way I could keep the press away from all the little idiots that would try to grab a big stage.
I do not think this bozo is thinking this way and frankly it is super high risk at best but it is the only way I could come up with to keep a little idiot from taking the stage.
Yes and it opens up the option to use Broadcom chips on all sorts of embedded devices.
Including those running on ARM, PPC, Mips, SH4 and goodness knows what else.
Well Iran was siding with Hitler in 1941 so yea they got invaded.
The rest is pretty ugly. I fear we believed "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" Sometimes that are just the next enemy in the making.
The thing is that I can not change history. But the thing is that they need to see that a lot more people think this is wrong than think that this is right.
What I do not like is the flap over the Islamic Cultural center near Ground Zero.
That shows a lot more intolerance than this little idiot with a big stage.
Really?
So you feel that way about people burning the flag and South Park?
Sometimes ignoring idiots is the best choice.
This guy is a little idiot that has gotten a big stage.
If he had burned the Koran in Gainesville in front of his 50 folks no one would be harmed.
Now that it is blasted to the world...
A little idiot is now a big man.
I never said that it was a good idea for the Church to burn the Koran.
This church is in the US so from a legal point of view on the US counts. Imagine if the US wanted France to ban a movie because we didn't like.
Maybe I am wrong but I would hope that majority of Muslims would understand that this guy is an isolated wack job. I also have faith that if their news organisations reported honestly about the thousands of people that are protesting this little idiot and the good number of churches that are having Koran readings and trying to be inclusive that they would get a different prospective.
Frankly I do not think that average Muslim in the street is any dumber than I am.
The problem will be if the can get the truth.
Frankly I bet that the average Muslim in the street isn't any different than the average Christian in the street. The issue will be is will they get to here the truth.
And frankly the truth is that if this idiot doesn't burn one some other idiot with an ax to grind and a lust for PR is going to.
Right now I will bet you that 20 members of the KKK and maybe even a few NeoNazis are buying Korans and matches right now.
No sir you are again wrong.
Manning was not given an illegal order an illegal order.
That video was on the JAG server. It was being used in an investigation. The other data he may have leaked here classified communications that HAD NO CRIMINAL DATA in them at all.
Do you really think that no civilian authority at the White House or the Pentagon knew that the video existed?
Really?
Funny But I remember the Obama administration getting a request for it and turning it down.
Nope if Manning did this he was living up to the trust. What you and so many other people don't get is that the US Military is just the gun. It is the Civilian powers that pull the trigger.
If Obama and Congress wanted the US military out of Iraq and Afganistan all they have to do is give the order.
If they want all gun camera video dumped on the Internet they just have to give the order.
As long as the orders give the military are not illegal then they must obey.
If the President had ordered that video to be released but a military officer had hidden it. Then Manning would be in the right.
But the US government that was freely elected by the people of the US said to not release that video. Manning disobeyed his orders which just can not be tolerated.
This isn't a knee jerk reaction.
I never said that Rackspace was breaking the law or couldn't do that.
However I do feel that what they are doing is counter to the spirit of freedom of speech and religion that we value in the US.
They may have the legal right to do that but even that I question.
What is hate speech?
Will RackSpace refuse to host any church that thinks they have the "correct" church? That would imply that all other churches are not correct as well as Jews, Muslims, and Atheists.
BTW that would also ban all Jewish, Muslim and Atheist sites as well.
Is saying that someone is wrong hate speech?
BTW my company uses Rackspace and will keep using them. Frankly I think they are a great company to work with.
Their support is great and everybody I have had to deal with is knowledgeable and professional.
I just think that they are in this case acting out of fear or a misguided sense of duty.
Frankly I totally disagree with. Those of us discussing if it is right or not to pull the site have no effect on the big question. The root problem frankly is that the press is blowing this way up and IMHO showing the bad side and not all the good people that oppose this little idiot.
I want this POST REMOVED NOW!
I am DEEPLY OFFENDED BY IT!
It insults my basic beliefs!
This post is as offensive as what the Pastor in Gainesville is doing.
Okay every one that has posted that they think that RackSpace is doing the right thing post now!
Let's see if Slashdot is as brave as RackSpace.
TAKE IT DOWN!
TAKE IT DOWN!
TAKE IT DOWN!
"(2) There's a legal and moral distinction between being insulting or derogatory speech (Westergaard, Onion) and inciting violence (Dove)."
Really?
So if a group in the US said that if you burn the US flag we will start killing people then the act of burning the US flag should be banned?
This is not inciting violence!
Inciting to violence would be saying something like.
"Those Star Trek fans are evil! We must get guns and knives and kill them all!"
Telling people to riot or to kill people is inciting violence.
Saying something that causes people to act violent because they disagree isn't/
If it was then MLK and Gandhi where guilty of inciting violence!
Yea well see every other post about stores not carrying games that have an adult ratting, Walmart not carrying music with bad language, or Comedy Comedy Central not showing a certain South Park.
Not a new thing.
How ever the question is should a hosting company decide what is hate speech and what isn't.
Or a better question is should Rackspace have taken this level of judgement on themselves.
No this is not Constitutional law case but it is a case of should Rackspace have taken this step and is within the spirit of Freedom of Speech and frankly Freedom of Religion that we value in the nation?
I do not think anyone feels this is illegal yust possibly immoral.
Okay let me help you out a bit.
The Imam is not a radical at all. He is a moderate and this isn't a Mosque it is a cultural out reach center.
It has been in the works for months and no one got bent until recently. Frankly this Imam seems like a good person.
Guess what Muslims dies in the Towers on 9/11, so did Jews, Christians, Atheists, and probably Buddhists all of the Americans.
It isn't a victory Mosque but if it is a victory for an Islamic center to be built near the Ground Zero BTW it isn't on the WTC site it is near it.
Then it is a victory for the US for it to be built there. I just wish more people understood that. We really are a tolerant people at heart. The problem is that we are getting manipulated by press. They love to get us fired up because it sells.
As to the Greek Orthodox church yep that is wrong. They need to get a permit fast tracked today, but guess what? Two wrongs do not make a right. Let's fix that wrong and not use it as an excuse for another wrong.
No he is just a PR seeking wack job.
Nope this is freedom of speech. Clear and simple.
I really do not like what he is doing. I think it is wrong and frankly evil. But then a lot of what happens on line I find offensive, wrong and evil.
But what he is doing isn't any different that burning a Bible or the US flag. Frankly it isn't any more evil than many comments I have seen on Slashdot!
You know I could post some vile anti Muslim comments right in this comment. They would be every bit as bad as what this guy is going to do. Should this comment be delete?
Should Slashdot's hosting company take it down if I did that?
I will refrain from actually doing that not out of fear but because I believe it is wrong and my faith teaches that it would be wrong.
It is easy to be for freedom of speech when you agree with it. It is when the speech is unpopular and yes even rude that it must be protected.
So if you are okay with hosting companies doing this then be ready for the fall out.
Actually I don't know how awesome this really is.
While I do think the guy in Gainesville is an idiot Rackspace is pretty much hitting attacking.
1. His freedom of speech.
2. He and his congratulation freedom of religion.
Frankly I have seen posts on Slashdot every bit as offensive as what this guy has said towards Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Should Slashdot have a "spine" and pull those comments.?
Sinead O'Connor tore up a picture of the Pope on Nation TV. Should her website also be taken down? Isn't that hate speech?
Should a group that burns the US flag have their website taken down.
As far as I know this guy has not called for the extermination of all Muslims. I would check his website to be sure but... I can not.
What EVERYBODY is missing is the real problem. The real problem isn't this wackadoodle in Gainesville and his church of 50 people.
There has always been nuts and always will be nuts. I can find you a websites that say the Denver Airport is the a secret government base and that the old USAF SAGE base on Long Island was used for mind control experiments.
The problem is the press! They are giving this idiot attention and press. Imagine how important this nutball is now that he is getting talked about by the president of the US!
This is really the presses fault. He is a small man in a small Florida town, with a tiny congregation that really doesn't matter at all. He is doing a stupid thing and the press is giving him a mountain of publicity!
What is really out of proportion is that there are probably 100 times the people in that small Florida town that are reacting the opposite way.
There are many churches that are going to have reading from the Quran. Or the many people that are protesting his church for doing it.
Frankly if this was reported honestly and fairly in the press. I do mean all the press. It show the US as being very tolerant of the Muslim faith. The simple truth is a one nut with 50 followers is getting more PR and attention than the many hundreds and or thousands that oppose them. It proves that is is far easier to do what is wrong than what is right.
How they are treating Manning?
If he leaked those documents he violated so many laws that it is mind numbing.
He is not convicted yet so I said if.
Wow you are so clueless that it isn't worth the effort. Simply put if the US government is as evil as you think and as powerful as you think then this guy is dead.
He would have been dead a long time ago. And it would look like he caught the flu or a random car accident.
But he is running around running his mouth and living the high life.
Nope your just wrong.
And as too Manning that last thing that anybody really wants is for the people of the military to feel that they can just refuse or make up their orders.
They must answer to civilan authorities. Manning violated that trust.
Gutsier? Yea that wins for the stupidest thing I heard today. Wow do you have a little shine to this guy where you make offerings?
He is in no danger. Guess what if the US wanted him dead do you really think he would still be alive? You are naive if you really think that. But it does make he seem exciting and sexy...
He is at best a bad journalist that slants stories as severely as Fox ever did.
As far as a transparent society goes. Better read his comments about how people need to stay out of his "personal" life.
You do have a point about the Ego.
I picked Sweden since that is where this is happening.
How about Russia then, keeping it in the Eurasia area.
Yea or this guy could just be a shuck with an ego the size of Sweden.
Thanks for the post.
The current Samsung line seems to have the best GPU performance by far in the smart phone market. Problem is that right now very few programs use it.
But yea Apple probably could have made that claim last month but not today.
But that is the thing. Enterprise buyers know that the HP laptop in Walmart is just that a Walmart Laptop. But the Server is from the same people that made the PA-RISC and Superdomes.
Dell makes pretty good PCs and laptops but their servers are nothing that special.
And Dell has nothing to same catagory as IBMs I,P, or Z series or HPs Superdome.
What they sell to consumers is really just doesn't matter to Enterprise buyers. Just as they didn't care about the piece of junk PCjr IBM sold.
They know they are from another division.
But Dell just lacks the high end that gives their medium end creditability that could lead to a premium price.
Dells are as Commodore used to be. Computers for the Masses not the Classes.
It is very hard to break out of the value segment into the premium segment.
People want cheap. Pus people like Dell and HP both have to compete with people like Supermicro and NewEgg. The only money place that really big money can be made these days is in the enterprise.
HP has been in that market for a very long time.
If you look at HPs Peers you will see just how many are now gone.
Control Data, Data General, and DEC are all gone.
That pretty much leaves just HP and IBM from the old guard.
And frankly that still counts.
The people buying or the people over the people buying know that HP has real roots and is still seems like a real technology company.
It doesn't matter that they make cheap notebooks for the home market now because they have always made high end systems like the PA-RISC, Superdome, going back to the 2100 minicomputers from the 60s.
How is Dell any different from Supermicro or Asus?
Dell has no real history of RnD. They are just an assembler.
HP actually made their own CPUs PA-RISC which they made up till 2008. They worked with Intel on the Itantium and seem to be the only people that can make money selling them.
IBM well IBM is IBM. They have have made more different CPUs than you can shake a stick at.
Dell takes parts and puts them in a box. Kind of like a mom and pop computer store.
Dell doesn't make crap and we have one of there server boxes in our rack. It works very well but we could have gone to newegg and put together something just as impressive.
Umm we are talking relative to a 6502.
Floating point? I am not sure that the 6502 even had multiply and divide. It has been a long time.
This discussion has gotten me reading up on mainframes and for the life of me I find IBM to a confusing company.
The 360 was supposed to be a universal system. Great plan. A customer could start with a 360/20 and keep right one going up. Then they came out with all sorts of different computers that fragmented their user base. I guess part of it was they where getting the company ready to be split up if they lost the anti-trust case.
After reading the history I just had to wonder what would have happened if IBM had made a since chip CPU based on the 360/20 and used that with say CTSS as the bases of the IBM PC.
I see no reason why the 360/20 couldn't have been made into a microprocessor. If IBM had done things right by sell the CPUs and OS to clone makers they could have been as Microsoft, Intel, and IBM today combined.
Of course eventually we would have had Linux running on them and we would probably see embedded microcontolers based on the 360 ISA.
Oh well.
Hey it is only 12 years older than the x86! Which was based on the 8085. And frankly the 360 ISA was much better.
Actually you might like it a lot. The ISA was very high level and is really one of the great ISAs. Right up with VAX and ARM.
I thought that they had moved the System/Z to RISC emulation a while ago. I know they did with the old AS/400 and thought they had with the 360/370/390. And I sure wouldn't called the X86 as new. That is why I said it was also an old CISC system. Also it was only a bit over one decade 12 years I believe. Also the 8086 was built off the 8080 and 8085 ISA so it is pretty old and crusty. And let's face it the 360 ISA is considered one of those milestone ISAs like the VAX and ARM unlike the x86 which is considered more of a millstone than a milestone.