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the only reason they're giving the "preview" is to manipulate you into buying their full-priced CD.
The only reason they're offering a CD for sale is to "manipulate" you into buying it. Jeez, man, I think you need a tinfoil hat to keep their manipulation rays out.
Geez, can you say scapegoat? And how the hell can we take the moral high-ground on espionage, when our own FBI threatens people with the electric chair? If that's the way we do things, then who cares who has the secrets, because it's tyranny on either side.
It's funny, our government wants to bend over for the PRC because there's money to be made in trade and nobody seems to give a damn, but it needs to crucify it's citizens when embarrassing security lapses are exposed.
The ironic part is that this man probably hates the PRC more than any US politician, being of Taiwanese birth and (I assume) ethnically Chinese. But of the course the dumb yokels in Washington and the media aren't going to explain that, it being so convient to have a Chinese man to take the fall.
You are confusing legal rights and what some value system believes to be "just"
Actually, that is exactly the point I was trying to make. One of the staples of Libertarian dogma is that the ownership of private property is a moral absolute. I was hoping to trip you up on it.:-)
Besides, the accumulation of wealth through culture is a 20th-century phenomenon. Never before in history could a writer or a musician or an engineer become as rich as a Rockefeller.
Is there anyone here who thinks this is actually a bad thing? Those of you here who harp about the "freedom" to use another's intellectual property without permission should remember that there is only one resource required to make IP, a resource that everyone has in some amount: time. Every person has the opportinity to create IP, no matter how much money they have to start with. I suspect IP has been a greater equalizer than all the all the rethoric about social justice in the last twenty years.
The lack of scarcity is not an excuse for you to steal. The laws on physical property are just is arbitrary, does that make it ok to shoplift? The lack of scarcity means you can create IP and not be dependant on any other person or entity, unless you choose to be so by utilizing their IP. This is not possible with physical property, which will always have a previous owner (unless you drege it out of the ocean or pluck it of space). You can literally make value out of nothing, and be paid for it! Why do you want to destroy this system?
Kind of like property in general, huh? It's all ledgers-in-the-sky until someone with a weapon says "that is yours, this is mine".
How is that different from "you deserve this because your name is on the deed". "you deserve this because your father had it before he died" "you deserve this because the government says its yours"
If a rule system determines that he deserves a '79 Oldsmobile, then he deserves a '79 Oldsmobile within the context of that rule system.
I assumed he was actually saying "Linux/BSD", meaning that the programs are relevant to both operating systems. Though it is pretty funny that he was corrected by the witness.
Bah, most of that is seriously paranoid and expensive ('cept maybe bumper standards), and I certainly don't want more greenspace dug up for bigger roads.
There is one solution that is cheap and effective. If we had black box devices in all cars it would make it much easier to establish blame in accidents. A little accountability would go a long way toward making people drive more responsibly.
As a more expensive voluntary measure, people should install cameras mounted on the front and rear windows, kind of like police cars. That way, if you are in accident, or witness one, you have visual proof that the other driver was driving recklessly, even if he does not have a black-box himself. It could also be used to establish reckless behavior long before the accident takes place.
So rather take responsibility for the interface of your programs, you delegate it to the designer of the windowing system? What if you believe they are abusing the users? (It vaz not my vault, I vaz zuzt vollowing orderz... )
It probably harder to maintain complete consistency in the interface across platforms. I can hardly imagine the pain it must have been to implement those fancy button bars in netscape under X so that they work like they do in windows. I miss those big blocky Motif buttons, but you know, it is actually nice having the same interface in both platforms. If only the key-combinations were the same!
I really don't give a hoot about the conventions of the operating system, what I want are coventions in the applications I use in different environments. What is more important, the application or the OS? Are you really on the user's side, or the OS vendor's?
The ideal should be a form of global theming (for lack of a better word), where the set of default behaviors of a system is customizable, where customizations apply across the board, so in effect, I can have all my programs work the same no matter what the underlying architecture is. The users can pick what metaphors suit them without being constrained by the ideological bent of the GUI designer. Something along the lines of OOUI mentioned in a previous thread.
I really dig the episode of the animated Star Trek that he wrote. He had Spock and a couple others trapped on this planet with a group of Kzin who after some sort of ancient weapon with unknown properties. The Kzin were exactly like I imagined them from Ringworld. That is, cartoons.
Hey troll, try to produce a counter-example to this axiom: a great piece of software with source code available is better than the same software without. In other words, good+open > good+closed.
I don't think anyone here would contend that being open guarantees quality. We've all seen the crap published on freshmeat. Of course, we've also seen that profit motive does not guarantee quality either, and in some cases, discourages it.
Why is it that everyone who refers to the strawman linux "zealot" sound a bit zealous themselves?
There is actually a very pragmatic reason for only including "free software": it reduces the risk of tripping over a restrictive license. I'm sure the debian guys and gals would be very careful about what to include in the distribution, but what happens when the publishers change the redistribution rights? What was suddenly a staple application in one release of debian could suddenly be gone in the next, greatly inconviencing users. Now, what would you have debian do in this situation? Screw it's users by leaving the software out, or screw it's users by bending to the will of a commerical software publisher?
*grin* I'd like to make exclamation points for those yellow on blue equals signs, and add an extra stripe to those blue on black bands. My, won't everyone be confused.:)
I'd also like a "My kid went postal at such-and-such elementary school" bumper sticker.
Actually, the really Southern term is "co-cola". And anything diet is called a "sissy co-cola". (Well, not really, but it sure is funny when Lewis Grizzard referred to Tab that way).
Dude, shop at Target and Walmart, they both have tons of logo-less clothes of decent quality, better than some of the name brand stuff (like Bugle Boy). Try Mervin's too, if they're still around, they too had lots of logo-less stuff, and were of high quality.
And the people who wear those close are bigger fools than the mallrats. There is no difference between "high fashion" and the latest fads affecting school kids. Both cliques recognize the symbols, the kids just need them to be more blatent.
What is really obnoxious is when the dealerships place decals with their logo on the cars they sell. You can remove the license plate holder and the advertisement on the front, but you it's hard to take off a decal without scratching the paint.
I wonder, is there a solvent that will remove these things safely? Another option would be to create little magnets that say "sucks!" or "will rip you off!" and place one below the logo.
Not highjacking, but replacing with something better. It's a good analogy, domains make IP addresses memorable the same way trademarks make products memorable.
But with the right tools you don't really need to use domain names, and with similar tools you wouldn't need trademarks either. If I want information on XYZ, I type it in a search engine, and find it without ever knowing a domain name. Imagine similar tools for products, sort of a software Consumer Reports, but ubiquitious, dynamic, distributed, and always current because it is user driven. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.
Do you have any idea of what you are talking about?
SNMP != SMP (I hope that was a typo)
Do you really equate the toy "innovation" of the parameter popup in VC++ to the real innovations that you call "very old news"? All it is doing is building a syntax tree as you type (in addition to that of the files parsed from the rest of the project), and when it sees valid syntax, it looks up the name in a symbol table. I'm not calling it trivial, but it hardly qualifies as an innovation in the sense that networked filesystems are an innovation.
then they're confusing trademarks with copyrights, and aren't as smart as they first appear.
No, because intelligent people recognize that copyright serves the interest of artists, while trademarks exist to fatten the wallets of the hucksters on Madison Avenue. With software, numbers are much better tools for distinguishing products. If the self-righteous Gnutella and Freenet programmers spent their efforts destroying trademarks rather than copyright, they might actually do some good.
Read it yerself, the italics tag is fine. The problem is Malda's got the "Extrans" and "Plain Old Text" options swapped, has known about the bug for months, and hasn't fixed it.
If the students responsible for that are not held to exactly the same standards then I, myself, despite the consequences will fly to Utah, walk into that school, and well...
give everyone a big hug? subject them to a stern lecture? dance a little jig?
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the only reason they're giving the "preview" is to manipulate you into buying their full-priced CD.
The only reason they're offering a CD for sale is to "manipulate" you into buying it. Jeez, man, I think you need a tinfoil hat to keep their manipulation rays out.
Geez, can you say scapegoat? And how the hell can we take the moral high-ground on espionage, when our own FBI threatens people with the electric chair? If that's the way we do things, then who cares who has the secrets, because it's tyranny on either side.
It's funny, our government wants to bend over for the PRC because there's money to be made in trade and nobody seems to give a damn, but it needs to crucify it's citizens when embarrassing security lapses are exposed.
The ironic part is that this man probably hates the PRC more than any US politician, being of Taiwanese birth and (I assume) ethnically Chinese. But of the course the dumb yokels in Washington and the media aren't going to explain that, it being so convient to have a Chinese man to take the fall.
You are confusing legal rights and what some value system believes to be "just"
:-)
Actually, that is exactly the point I was trying to make. One of the staples of Libertarian dogma is that the ownership of private property is a moral absolute. I was hoping to trip you up on it.
Is there anyone here who thinks this is actually a bad thing? Those of you here who harp about the "freedom" to use another's intellectual property without permission should remember that there is only one resource required to make IP, a resource that everyone has in some amount: time. Every person has the opportinity to create IP, no matter how much money they have to start with. I suspect IP has been a greater equalizer than all the all the rethoric about social justice in the last twenty years.
The lack of scarcity is not an excuse for you to steal. The laws on physical property are just is arbitrary, does that make it ok to shoplift? The lack of scarcity means you can create IP and not be dependant on any other person or entity, unless you choose to be so by utilizing their IP. This is not possible with physical property, which will always have a previous owner (unless you drege it out of the ocean or pluck it of space). You can literally make value out of nothing, and be paid for it! Why do you want to destroy this system?
Kind of like property in general, huh? It's all ledgers-in-the-sky until someone with a weapon says "that is yours, this is mine".
How is that different from
"you deserve this because your name is on the deed".
"you deserve this because your father had it before he died"
"you deserve this because the government says its yours"
If a rule system determines that he deserves a '79 Oldsmobile, then he deserves a '79 Oldsmobile within the context of that rule system.
I assumed he was actually saying "Linux/BSD", meaning that the programs are relevant to both operating systems. Though it is pretty funny that he was corrected by the witness.
Bah, most of that is seriously paranoid and expensive ('cept maybe bumper standards), and I certainly don't want more greenspace dug up for bigger roads.
There is one solution that is cheap and effective. If we had black box devices in all cars it would make it much easier to establish blame in accidents. A little accountability would go a long way toward making people drive more responsibly.
As a more expensive voluntary measure, people should install cameras mounted on the front and rear windows, kind of like police cars. That way, if you are in accident, or witness one, you have visual proof that the other driver was driving recklessly, even if he does not have a black-box himself. It could also be used to establish reckless behavior long before the accident takes place.
So rather take responsibility for the interface of your programs, you delegate it to the designer of the windowing system? What if you believe they are abusing the users? (It vaz not my vault, I vaz zuzt vollowing orderz... )
It probably harder to maintain complete consistency in the interface across platforms. I can hardly imagine the pain it must have been to implement those fancy button bars in netscape under X so that they work like they do in windows. I miss those big blocky Motif buttons, but you know, it is actually nice having the same interface in both platforms. If only the key-combinations were the same!
I really don't give a hoot about the conventions of the operating system, what I want are coventions in the applications I use in different environments. What is more important, the application or the OS? Are you really on the user's side, or the OS vendor's?
The ideal should be a form of global theming (for lack of a better word), where the set of default behaviors of a system is customizable, where customizations apply across the board, so in effect, I can have all my programs work the same no matter what the underlying architecture is. The users can pick what metaphors suit them without being constrained by the ideological bent of the GUI designer. Something along the lines of OOUI mentioned in a previous thread.
I really dig the episode of the animated Star Trek that he wrote. He had Spock and a couple others trapped on this planet with a group of Kzin who after some sort of ancient weapon with unknown properties. The Kzin were exactly like I imagined them from Ringworld. That is, cartoons.
Hey troll, try to produce a counter-example to this axiom: a great piece of software with source code available is better than the same software without. In other words, good+open > good+closed.
I don't think anyone here would contend that being open guarantees quality. We've all seen the crap published on freshmeat. Of course, we've also seen that profit motive does not guarantee quality either, and in some cases, discourages it.
Why is it that everyone who refers to the strawman linux "zealot" sound a bit zealous themselves?
There is actually a very pragmatic reason for only including "free software": it reduces the risk of tripping over a restrictive license. I'm sure the debian guys and gals would be very careful about what to include in the distribution, but what happens when the publishers change the redistribution rights? What was suddenly a staple application in one release of debian could suddenly be gone in the next, greatly inconviencing users. Now, what would you have debian do in this situation? Screw it's users by leaving the software out, or screw it's users by bending to the will of a commerical software publisher?
Did I offend your delicate sensibilities, or are you simply confused because you did not see the parent message?
*grin* I'd like to make exclamation points for those yellow on blue equals signs, and add an extra stripe to those blue on black bands. My, won't everyone be confused. :)
I'd also like a "My kid went postal at such-and-such elementary school" bumper sticker.
Actually, the really Southern term is "co-cola". And anything diet is called a "sissy co-cola". (Well, not really, but it sure is funny when Lewis Grizzard referred to Tab that way).
Dude, shop at Target and Walmart, they both have tons of logo-less clothes of decent quality, better than some of the name brand stuff (like Bugle Boy). Try Mervin's too, if they're still around, they too had lots of logo-less stuff, and were of high quality.
And the people who wear those close are bigger fools than the mallrats. There is no difference between "high fashion" and the latest fads affecting school kids. Both cliques recognize the symbols, the kids just need them to be more blatent.
What is really obnoxious is when the dealerships place decals with their logo on the cars they sell. You can remove the license plate holder and the advertisement on the front, but you it's hard to take off a decal without scratching the paint.
I wonder, is there a solvent that will remove these things safely? Another option would be to create little magnets that say "sucks!" or "will rip you off!" and place one below the logo.
That's odd, then, considering that the lead singer was valedictorian of his high school and was close to gettting a PhD in biochemistry.
Not highjacking, but replacing with something better. It's a good analogy, domains make IP addresses memorable the same way trademarks make products memorable.
But with the right tools you don't really need to use domain names, and with similar tools you wouldn't need trademarks either. If I want information on XYZ, I type it in a search engine, and find it without ever knowing a domain name. Imagine similar tools for products, sort of a software Consumer Reports, but ubiquitious, dynamic, distributed, and always current because it is user driven. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.
Do you have any idea of what you are talking about?
SNMP != SMP (I hope that was a typo)
Do you really equate the toy "innovation" of the parameter popup in VC++ to the real innovations that you call "very old news"? All it is doing is building a syntax tree as you type (in addition to that of the files parsed from the rest of the project), and when it sees valid syntax, it looks up the name in a symbol table. I'm not calling it trivial, but it hardly qualifies as an innovation in the sense that networked filesystems are an innovation.
Ah, so what? Al Gore never actually said that he invented the internet, but it sure is fun to mock him for it!
then they're confusing trademarks with copyrights, and aren't as smart as they first appear.
No, because intelligent people recognize that copyright serves the interest of artists, while trademarks exist to fatten the wallets of the hucksters on Madison Avenue. With software, numbers are much better tools for distinguishing products. If the self-righteous Gnutella and Freenet programmers spent their efforts destroying trademarks rather than copyright, they might actually do some good.
Read it yerself, the italics tag is fine. The problem is Malda's got the "Extrans" and "Plain Old Text" options swapped, has known about the bug for months, and hasn't fixed it.
If the students responsible for that are not held to exactly the same standards then I, myself, despite the consequences will fly to Utah, walk into that school, and well...
give everyone a big hug?
subject them to a stern lecture?
dance a little jig?