We have tried to educate you about the differences between theft and copyright infringement, between a physical, irreplaceable object and a stream of bits (perhaps representing analog data, like music) that are infinitely reproduceable without any loss of quality and at negligible cost.
You should know by now that your "example" is not such a thing, but a lame contrived attempt to explain something you clearly don't understand yet.
You obviously have an attitude problem. It is either your way or no way.
I don't see why anybody that knows how you behave should take at face value your offer to be nice. You obviously will keeep the promise only as long and as far as it suits you.
I hope the day your cavalier attitude catches with you (which it will) you are grown up enough to stand and take repsonsibility for your exploits.
For example, I guess you are taking holidays. If they are paid I would venture that you could do more good by donating part of your wages to a grassroot organization in the field (another church of your denomination working already in the area for example).
Unless you have a precise plan laid out by some organization with experience (which does not seem to be the case) your group will become a liability.
SOme people have mentioned that labour may be needed. Well, it is not like all the jobless people in the affected areas have much else to do. I would hold on where you are, get a clearer picture of the situation, and once I am better informed I think I would know where a short effort like the one you are offering would have the greatest impact.
Many systems take not weeks, but months or years to be put in place.
And it is not because the providers are incompetent, but because some IT solutions are too complex and have to be finely tailored the the client's needs.
7 months to implement a system involving SAP seems to me like par of the course, SAP is not MS Draw you know....
Path of less resistence (an internal attacker does not have to go through as many loops as an external cracker. There are fraudsters whose step #1 is to get a job in the company to be attacked).
Most hardware boxes have prominent stickers stating "Windows required" or any similar blatter.
In some fewer instances MacOS or whatever it is called is also deemd OK or even mentioned as the only OS supported.
A few iluminated companies will include a penguin, or goodness forbid, a little red devil.
So I frankly don't know in which planet you live where software is not required by hardware manufacturers. They should require none, provide drivers for popular OSes and provide access to the API to program their devices for others to support the device in less popular OSes.
If a goverment would have a recording studio then yes, with a law like this it may mean FLOSS only. Given such generalized incentive tools lacking any real power would be developped faster or companies wnting a piece of the action would cave in and show their source (please note tat as far as the law is concerned, the only beneficiary of the openess should be the Peruvian goverment).
Openess and accountability are much more important, or should be, thus a goverment may decide to put up with a solution that is perhaps second best from a technological or systematic point of view, but the concerns about accountability and price (we are talking about other people's money here, the taxpayers') may completely override any technical or design merits.
The language is so vague that you can interpret it in any way you want.
the interesting article is 4:
"No public entity will adquire hardware which forces it to use only a determined type of software or in any way limits its IT autonomy." (parent poster's offered translation).
Does this mean for example that hardware manufacturers stating their product is "for Windows only" will be screwed? I would hope so.
"In any way limits its IT autonomy" fall neatly in file formats. If you are looking for a solution and you find out that the data is not fully and freely transportable in a openly documented format (like MS Office) you could rightly claim that your IT autonomy is being hindered.
Lack of hardware support and closed file formats is what is hindering (not stopping mind you) FLOSS advancement in popularity. Laws like this, that level the playing field for companies to compete in quality and good levels of service are a good thing.
PLease note that the law demands that the goverment, not everybody has access to source code. MS, Sun and other big players already offer that in a way or another, so that should be a non issue funnily enough.
It works out of the box with the iPod Nano to add and remove mp3 files (once you understand the ideosyncracies of the application), if your mps files is properly tagged you can discriminate files by album, artist, composer, etc.
No idea about how to put pictures from Linux, hopefully somebody will figure that one out.
Any manufacturing company has to put up with a less than perfect product, and no matter how much testing you do, a product launched in the market will have problems that for one reason or another you did not foresaw.
You buy something when you need it (want is a form of need as well).
With one year standard warranty you are hardly risking anything if a product is *really* badly manufactured.
That life philosophy applies to 2 kinds of people: the unadventurous and the poor, of which luckily I am neither at the moment, neither are my cutting edge fellow ipod Nano adopters (no scratches on mine, thank you very much).
Every time somebody from Sun speaks and the predictable hateful diatribes follow, I wonder what Sun has done to the/. crowd to deserve such harsh treatment.
Here is a company that has been working with the community since times immemorial (do you still use all those sunsites out there I imagine, where many Linux distributions were originally hosted), that released several pieces of useful software for the community to improve and hack, that gave us the only viable alternative to MS Office, and when people like Dvorak (?Sp) and even UNIX magazines were preparing for the total dominance of Windows NT in the server room, Sun dodgedely stuck to its guns and saw, correctly, that UNIX (and here allow me to include Linux, may SCO be damned) had architectural advantages that made it the natural tool for a networked world (when BIll Gates did not even know the Internet had to be reckoned with and you had to install 3rd party products on Winodws to provide a TCP/IP stack).
They also gave us Java. I don't know you guys, but I have programmed many nice little applications with Java and have not paid a penny to anybody.
You add up all that and would think that Sun deserves a bit of respect on this site. They have gone as far as a company like theirs can go and then some.
I am not saying that Swchartz is brilliant, or that he is correct (he has some interesting points to make which of course hang from an agenda, but heck, tell me a company that does not have an agenda for bunnies sakes?).
The point I want to make is that a fellow techie company that has been good sport with the IT community in general deserves a bit more respect and understanding in a time when they don't look like the knight in a shinny armour they once were.
You can say whatever you want from Sun, but if they go down or are bought, their failure would be a honourable one, they tried to be innovate (the derided network computer, Java, software emulation like WABI, etc) and have been more open than most (there were clones of Sparc machines out there, pause for thought for the Apple fan boys I hope).
For gonnies sakes, go and download Solaris ant try it, it is free for you to keep and do pretty much whatever you want with it, it blows Linux (my desktop at the moment, so no snide remarks there please) out of the window in most respects (dtrace, zones, clean disk management). And you can check a lot of the source code as well.
Guys, that deserves respect, when somebody that has earned my respect speaks I may politely point out the problems with his argument or may keep polite silence, but will never insult him or deride him.
You guys in the US are spoiled with one resource: space.
You can afford cheap housing because
a) You have lots of space. b) You don't care about the environment (the dispendious cars you drive can be qualified only as obscene), thus driving a couple hndred of kilometers every day to your work is not beyond the realms of possibility (in other places that would be completely out of the question).
in many other parts of the world appartments is the best you can ever hope for, and in many instances they can be far more luxurious than the average house elsewhere.
Go and buy "The road ahead" by a certain Billy Gates.
Here was the "visionary" geek planning the future. And in the early 90s, when any techy worth his salt was involved with the internet, Mr Gates did not mention the Internet on his book. THe future was steamrolling and they were igonring it.
And this showed on their strategy, they were pushing MSN as an AOL lookalike that basically constrained what you could do.
Back on the day I had to dial in to MSN (it was one of the only companies offering global email back then) to read my email and then turn them off and dial in to a local ISP to connect to the real Internet.
Certainly MS managed to stear the ship in the correct direction in a manouvre akin to trying to change the collision course of the Titanic (eviscerating Netscape mostly due to anticompetitive practices, IE was better, but not that much better).
Unfortunately for MS the inertia is far to big, they may have avoided the Internet iceberg, but I begin to wonder if it is in them to avoid the much bigger iceberg of software comodization. If Bill GAtes and co (lets be realistic here, Ballmer does not have the vision to make the company innovative) want to evade this one they will have to compromise in a way or another, they either embrace open formats (before they are forced to do so) or open the code of their apps (otherwise a combination of factores will eat their lunch). Or even worse, they may have to do both.
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If you are the source of all wisdom then it is very simple: stop creating the code. Your competitors would come to you begging you to fix things.
Obviously the competitors are good enough to support the base code, so maybe the original company is not as good as they would like to think...
There is no international institution that recognizes Taiwan as an independent country.
Case closed.
... oligopolists.
/.er, should know better.
But you, as a proud
We have tried to educate you about the differences between theft and copyright infringement, between a physical, irreplaceable object and a stream of bits (perhaps representing analog data, like music) that are infinitely reproduceable without any loss of quality and at negligible cost.
You should know by now that your "example" is not such a thing, but a lame contrived attempt to explain something you clearly don't understand yet.
Arrrrrrrghhhhhh!!!!!
.... in my company.
Every CD that has tried to pull this trick on me goes back to the shop downstairs faster than you can say "Sony are stupid".
You are not artists guys, get over it.
(if you do real art I apologize).
Having a mortgage to pay?
A family to feed?
A whore to buy crack for?
Reasons are many, the reality is that you can't always opt out.
You should if you can, but sometimes that is not a realistic option.
Try that with a judge the day you have to explain why you did not follow your auditorial or security duties.
In a post ENRON era the approach above is stupid and suicidal.
It is just a fucking job, not the planning of the Normandy Invassion.... Jeeez.
Any company with at least a modicum of technical expertise will discover who is dishing this vengeful IT carpet bombing.
Your ass would be out of the door faster than you can say "Art of War".
You obviously have an attitude problem. It is either your way or no way.
I don't see why anybody that knows how you behave should take at face value your offer to be nice. You obviously will keeep the promise only as long and as far as it suits you.
I hope the day your cavalier attitude catches with you (which it will) you are grown up enough to stand and take repsonsibility for your exploits.
What a lack of professionalism.
For example, I guess you are taking holidays. If they are paid I would venture that you could do more good by donating part of your wages to a grassroot organization in the field (another church of your denomination working already in the area for example).
Unless you have a precise plan laid out by some organization with experience (which does not seem to be the case) your group will become a liability.
SOme people have mentioned that labour may be needed. Well, it is not like all the jobless people in the affected areas have much else to do. I would hold on where you are, get a clearer picture of the situation, and once I am better informed I think I would know where a short effort like the one you are offering would have the greatest impact.
I am against software patents.
But in a world with software patents, I am all for abusive companies to get a serving of their own medicine.
Techies talking about technical stuff in a website devoted to technical matters is navel gazing.
We should all start talking about TCO and grew up. ANd throw up.
.... you can't pass such a summary judgment.
Many systems take not weeks, but months or years to be put in place.
And it is not because the providers are incompetent, but because some IT solutions are too complex and have to be finely tailored the the client's needs.
7 months to implement a system involving SAP seems to me like par of the course, SAP is not MS Draw you know....
.... are internal jobs.
Path of less resistence (an internal attacker does not have to go through as many loops as an external cracker. There are fraudsters whose step #1 is to get a job in the company to be attacked).
Stringent rules are completely justified.
Most hardware boxes have prominent stickers stating "Windows required" or any similar blatter.
In some fewer instances MacOS or whatever it is called is also deemd OK or even mentioned as the only OS supported.
A few iluminated companies will include a penguin, or goodness forbid, a little red devil.
So I frankly don't know in which planet you live where software is not required by hardware manufacturers. They should require none, provide drivers for popular OSes and provide access to the API to program their devices for others to support the device in less popular OSes.
If a goverment would have a recording studio then yes, with a law like this it may mean FLOSS only. Given such generalized incentive tools lacking any real power would be developped faster or companies wnting a piece of the action would cave in and show their source (please note tat as far as the law is concerned, the only beneficiary of the openess should be the Peruvian goverment).
Or they should have.
Openess and accountability are much more important, or should be, thus a goverment may decide to put up with a solution that is perhaps second best from a technological or systematic point of view, but the concerns about accountability and price (we are talking about other people's money here, the taxpayers') may completely override any technical or design merits.
The language is so vague that you can interpret it in any way you want.
the interesting article is 4:
"No public entity will adquire hardware which forces it to use only a determined type of software or in any way limits its IT autonomy." (parent poster's offered translation).
Does this mean for example that hardware manufacturers stating their product is "for Windows only" will be screwed? I would hope so.
"In any way limits its IT autonomy" fall neatly in file formats. If you are looking for a solution and you find out that the data is not fully and freely transportable in a openly documented format (like MS Office) you could rightly claim that your IT autonomy is being hindered.
Lack of hardware support and closed file formats is what is hindering (not stopping mind you) FLOSS advancement in popularity. Laws like this, that level the playing field for companies to compete in quality and good levels of service are a good thing.
PLease note that the law demands that the goverment, not everybody has access to source code. MS, Sun and other big players already offer that in a way or another, so that should be a non issue funnily enough.
It works out of the box with the iPod Nano to add and remove mp3 files (once you understand the ideosyncracies of the application), if your mps files is properly tagged you can discriminate files by album, artist, composer, etc.
No idea about how to put pictures from Linux, hopefully somebody will figure that one out.
What a neat logic.
Any manufacturing company has to put up with a less than perfect product, and no matter how much testing you do, a product launched in the market will have problems that for one reason or another you did not foresaw.
You buy something when you need it (want is a form of need as well).
With one year standard warranty you are hardly risking anything if a product is *really* badly manufactured.
That life philosophy applies to 2 kinds of people: the unadventurous and the poor, of which luckily I am neither at the moment, neither are my cutting edge fellow ipod Nano adopters (no scratches on mine, thank you very much).
Every time somebody from Sun speaks and the predictable hateful diatribes follow, I wonder what Sun has done to the /. crowd to deserve such harsh treatment.
Here is a company that has been working with the community since times immemorial (do you still use all those sunsites out there I imagine, where many Linux distributions were originally hosted), that released several pieces of useful software for the community to improve and hack, that gave us the only viable alternative to MS Office, and when people like Dvorak (?Sp) and even UNIX magazines were preparing for the total dominance of Windows NT in the server room, Sun dodgedely stuck to its guns and saw, correctly, that UNIX (and here allow me to include Linux, may SCO be damned) had architectural advantages that made it the natural tool for a networked world (when BIll Gates did not even know the Internet had to be reckoned with and you had to install 3rd party products on Winodws to provide a TCP/IP stack).
They also gave us Java. I don't know you guys, but I have programmed many nice little applications with Java and have not paid a penny to anybody.
You add up all that and would think that Sun deserves a bit of respect on this site. They have gone as far as a company like theirs can go and then some.
I am not saying that Swchartz is brilliant, or that he is correct (he has some interesting points to make which of course hang from an agenda, but heck, tell me a company that does not have an agenda for bunnies sakes?).
The point I want to make is that a fellow techie company that has been good sport with the IT community in general deserves a bit more respect and understanding in a time when they don't look like the knight in a shinny armour they once were.
You can say whatever you want from Sun, but if they go down or are bought, their failure would be a honourable one, they tried to be innovate (the derided network computer, Java, software emulation like WABI, etc) and have been more open than most (there were clones of Sparc machines out there, pause for thought for the Apple fan boys I hope).
For gonnies sakes, go and download Solaris ant try it, it is free for you to keep and do pretty much whatever you want with it, it blows Linux (my desktop at the moment, so no snide remarks there please) out of the window in most respects (dtrace, zones, clean disk management). And you can check a lot of the source code as well.
Guys, that deserves respect, when somebody that has earned my respect speaks I may politely point out the problems with his argument or may keep polite silence, but will never insult him or deride him.
You guys in the US are spoiled with one resource: space.
You can afford cheap housing because
a) You have lots of space.
b) You don't care about the environment (the dispendious cars you drive can be qualified only as obscene), thus driving a couple hndred of kilometers every day to your work is not beyond the realms of possibility (in other places that would be completely out of the question).
in many other parts of the world appartments is the best you can ever hope for, and in many instances they can be far more luxurious than the average house elsewhere.
Go and buy "The road ahead" by a certain Billy Gates.
Here was the "visionary" geek planning the future. And in the early 90s, when any techy worth his salt was involved with the internet, Mr Gates did not mention the Internet on his book. THe future was steamrolling and they were igonring it.
And this showed on their strategy, they were pushing MSN as an AOL lookalike that basically constrained what you could do.
Back on the day I had to dial in to MSN (it was one of the only companies offering global email back then) to read my email and then turn them off and dial in to a local ISP to connect to the real Internet.
Certainly MS managed to stear the ship in the correct direction in a manouvre akin to trying to change the collision course of the Titanic (eviscerating Netscape mostly due to anticompetitive practices, IE was better, but not that much better).
Unfortunately for MS the inertia is far to big, they may have avoided the Internet iceberg, but I begin to wonder if it is in them to avoid the much bigger iceberg of software comodization. If Bill GAtes and co (lets be realistic here, Ballmer does not have the vision to make the company innovative) want to evade this one they will have to compromise in a way or another, they either embrace open formats (before they are forced to do so) or open the code of their apps (otherwise a combination of factores will eat their lunch). Or even worse, they may have to do both.
.... tip-toeing into Stalinist like measures and there are people prepared to endorse it.
We have now to justify leading normal lives, as long as we appear supsicious (based on criteria not communicated to us) we are fair game.
I need one of those Soviet Russia jokes now, reading people like this is too depressing.