What do y. mean "outperform"?, S/390 is a multi-os machine, can y. run concurrently several OSs on your G4?, not to mention other issues. Outperform doesn't equal speed of a single processor, we're talking warkloads, batch processing, and very secure environment here.
"generally smelled bad" - you put that kinda description on anything you like just to vent your displeasure but it doesn't prove anything. You don't list a single technical problem with Torbotools. What is exacly you're complaining about? "unfriendly interface"? -- again subjective kinda crop. On the contrary, turbotools is a shortcut in management and good in concept, you can run it in X or textmode and it doesn't rearrange your/etc/hosts like SuSE 7.1 does.
Do you always have to sense some kind of undertone, dishonest and hidden meaning in what some menagement people say? I guess that's the prevailing geeky kinda suspicion on Slashdot and elswhere. It's the bias of its own kind so you can pride yourself you're-right-they-are-wrong bunch of garbage. The simple thing is that the ECONOMY is not as good as it used to be. That means, deals made three-four months ago don't make sense now. Can you get that?
Just go to their web site and find out. There are numerous free downloads of their products. But you don't get technical support for free. Also, several companies such as Linksys or Belkin package Turbolinux Lite CDs. So, it is incorrect to say that TurboLinux is not supporting free software community. Besides, one of their VPs was just nominated to the Board of the Open Source Development Lab.
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One of the main reasons for the merger was that Turbolinux never developed solid and consistant technical support of their own, because their management didn't understand its importance. (I've heard tech. support dep. in Turbo is overseen by a sale manager). Therefore, those guys see their salvation in this ill conceived merger in hope to solve their support problem. However, instead, the new problem is looming on the horizon: Linuxcare doesn't really care for Turbo products as seen from their website. Just check it out.
You made a good point about tech support companies - they hardly can make to the top if ever. Linuxcare had to pull out of the IPO, lay off 60% of their people, etc. That tells a lot, if they were as hot as advertised they would attract customers but instead they charge, I am told, exorbiant fees for their services, so someone who hires them will want to use their own people the next time when they need Linux support.
Now, on the way under, they pulled a big stunt and created impression that Turbolinux needs them. "We have services, they have products.." - said their spokewoman. However, their services consist of few pompatic nerds that don't really care for Turbolinux products, because their professed neutrality regarding all Linux distros would have to go away. So, this is not really impressive marriage of conveniance, it rather could turn out to be a destructive blow for Turbolinux that has its own problems and now is acquiring one more.
Can't combine the two on the same basis: Linuxcare indeed posponed its IPO indefinitaly and their "services" don't really are up to what is needed in customer service, since their Linux gurus charge exorbiant $ and are self-serving arrogant breed.
On the other hand Turbolinux is a software co., whose IPO is pending, that has several fine products and their revenue is based on sales -- they can sell something. But Linuxcare can only sell themselves, which is harder and harder in the Linux world these days, companies are developing their own Linux services and try to get rid of outsorcing.
So, Linuxcare is out there on the cold waving a hand for someone to rescue them. It's a trap that apparently worked. Turbolinux is making a huge mistake, in my view, because instead of developing its own technical support, which is not easy to do, they opted for an easy way out and engaged Linuxcare to do that for them. But in order to support something you need to put your hearth into in, not just the mind full of information. Since Linuxcare is "neutral" on any Linux distro how they can support Turbolinux products more than others?
So, the whole thing is not based on common sense but on the false perception that Linuxcare can match Turbolinux's needs. Those needs were created based on misconception that technical support is a secondary aspect for the software company. Now Turbolinux is about to pay the price for their own arrogance and that price can become so hudge that it sinks the whole ship.
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What do y. mean "outperform"?, S/390 is a multi-os machine, can y. run concurrently several OSs on your G4?, not to mention other issues. Outperform doesn't equal speed of a single processor, we're talking warkloads, batch processing, and very secure environment here.
"generally smelled bad" - you put that kinda description on anything you like just to vent your displeasure but it doesn't prove anything. You don't list a single technical problem with Torbotools. What is exacly you're complaining about? "unfriendly interface"? -- again subjective kinda crop. On the contrary, turbotools is a shortcut in management and good in concept, you can run it in X or textmode and it doesn't rearrange your /etc/hosts like SuSE 7.1 does.
Do you always have to sense some kind of undertone, dishonest and hidden meaning in what some menagement people say? I guess that's the prevailing geeky kinda suspicion on Slashdot and elswhere. It's the bias of its own kind so you can pride yourself you're-right-they-are-wrong bunch of garbage. The simple thing is that the ECONOMY is not as good as it used to be. That means, deals made three-four months ago don't make sense now. Can you get that?
Just go to their web site and find out. There are numerous free downloads of their products. But you don't get technical support for free. Also, several companies such as Linksys or Belkin package Turbolinux Lite CDs. So, it is incorrect to say that TurboLinux is not supporting free software community. Besides, one of their VPs was just nominated to the Board of the Open Source Development Lab.
Not yet, just a matter of time...HAH!
One of the main reasons for the merger was that Turbolinux never developed solid and consistant technical support of their own, because their management didn't understand its importance. (I've heard tech. support dep. in Turbo is overseen by a sale manager). Therefore, those guys see their salvation in this ill conceived merger in hope to solve their support problem. However, instead, the new problem is looming on the horizon: Linuxcare doesn't really care for Turbo products as seen from their website. Just check it out.
You made a good point about tech support companies - they hardly can make to the top if ever. Linuxcare had to pull out of the IPO, lay off 60% of their people, etc. That tells a lot, if they were as hot as advertised they would attract customers but instead they charge, I am told, exorbiant fees for their services, so someone who hires them will want to use their own people the next time when they need Linux support. Now, on the way under, they pulled a big stunt and created impression that Turbolinux needs them. "We have services, they have products.." - said their spokewoman. However, their services consist of few pompatic nerds that don't really care for Turbolinux products, because their professed neutrality regarding all Linux distros would have to go away. So, this is not really impressive marriage of conveniance, it rather could turn out to be a destructive blow for Turbolinux that has its own problems and now is acquiring one more.
Can't combine the two on the same basis: Linuxcare indeed posponed its IPO indefinitaly and their "services" don't really are up to what is needed in customer service, since their Linux gurus charge exorbiant $ and are self-serving arrogant breed. On the other hand Turbolinux is a software co., whose IPO is pending, that has several fine products and their revenue is based on sales -- they can sell something. But Linuxcare can only sell themselves, which is harder and harder in the Linux world these days, companies are developing their own Linux services and try to get rid of outsorcing. So, Linuxcare is out there on the cold waving a hand for someone to rescue them. It's a trap that apparently worked. Turbolinux is making a huge mistake, in my view, because instead of developing its own technical support, which is not easy to do, they opted for an easy way out and engaged Linuxcare to do that for them. But in order to support something you need to put your hearth into in, not just the mind full of information. Since Linuxcare is "neutral" on any Linux distro how they can support Turbolinux products more than others? So, the whole thing is not based on common sense but on the false perception that Linuxcare can match Turbolinux's needs. Those needs were created based on misconception that technical support is a secondary aspect for the software company. Now Turbolinux is about to pay the price for their own arrogance and that price can become so hudge that it sinks the whole ship.