Yeah, familiar with the business model. Still think it's bullshit. See, when I buy a book or a hamburger or a house, it's mine. I'm not renting music, I'm not renting software. Especially not at those prices. Get real.
Compared to every single one of Microsoft's major OS updates three years is most certainly a rush to market. For crying out loud, it probably took them three years to come up with the name Vista.
Well see, the car analogy's kind of like a Subaru. You see a lot of them, but they're so damn versatile and efficient that you can't decide whether to hate it or run out and get your own.
Did you know you can't put Playstation games in a Wii? It's true! And somehow they still sell both Wiis and Playstations! Shocking but true.
Work on 3rd party electronic device compatibility: cameras off the shelf from best buy must work, printers and scanners must work, ipods must work.
Done, done, done, and done. Moving on.
And no, the correct answer is not "use gimp" or "use openoffice"
Yeah, actually it is. You may not believe it. You may not like it. If that is the case, Linux may not be for you. The beautiful thing here is that we don't need 100% market penetration to be a success. Keep on doing what you're doing. We'll keep doubling our market share every damn year. You'll be back.
In this case you're going to have to make it easier for the companies (the new target market) to make more money either by sharing the workload or offering them something that benefits them.
So you're suggesting something like making the accumulated source code of every piece of free software ever written available to them free of charge? Hey, I bet we can work with that.
On a side note: I've always felt that FreeBSD had a better chance for being a good base for a desktop OS simply because of licensing.
You're right, that's why BSD has been so successful. Chopped into tiny pieces and shoved into competitors' products.
So you're saying that when I was in the first grade in 1987 in "computer class," typing away on an Apple IIe terminal, I was not in fact in a first grade classroom at all but actually in a room full of propeller-head geeks?
Other than that, in every single fresh install of the OS I have seen or done (not on the Toshiba or Gateway POS-3000 laptop at bestbuy), it has been tremendously stable and even FASTER than XP at times with the right amount of memory.
Bullshit.
Don't expect it to work well on your 5 year old slow-ass Pentium4
If you don't think that's a problem, I've got about a hundred million P4 owners on the line who'd like a word with you. ftr, Ubuntu 8.10 runs great on a P4 with Intel graphics, with eye candy turned up to 11.
But on modern hardware, Linux can't play anywhere near the games or run the same apps as Vista.
And you can't put a Playstation game in a Wii. Oh the horror.
Add/Remove Programs is a good alternative for the n00bish. Well-presented lists with categories, icons, ratings and descriptions. Unfortunately, many packages aren't in there. I don't know what the problem is with that, but if anyone knows a little more about it, please clue me in, as I'd like to help.
People have been waving that flag for at least 20 years, and it still hasn't happened.
That's because all anyone's done has been waving the flag. What actual efforts toward user education have been undertaken? From where I sit, I see things like iTunes training users that they don't need to know where their files are, and UAC asking "are you sure you're sure?" The entire business model of non-free software depends on keeping users uneducated, divided, an helpless.
So next time you're in getting your car fixed and you don't know what a lower control arm is, I hope they call you an idiot.
Rebuttal 1: Let's put this in perspective. This girl couldn't figure out how to plug the ethernet cable in, so she dropped out of school and called the press. If she'd pulled this stunt with a Windows machine or a Mac, instead of being laughed at by thousands, she'd be laughed at by millions. This isn't a "Linux users are pricks" thing. This is a "Learn to fucking read" thing.
Rebuttal 2: Your analogy is ridiculous. Here's a better one. If you got a new car and couldn't find the ignition because it was on the dash instead of the steering column, and you called the dealership and demanded your money back, and when they told you to go fuck yourself you called the press, then you're an idiot. Like my old man used to say, "Ignorance is a treatable condition, but stupid's for life."
"Those who would give up essential liberty for a video driver deserve neither liberty nor video drivers." -someone else's sig
All cheekiness aside, if you want to be stuck with shitty unsupportable binary-only drivers forever, by all means keep using nVidia. Every time you install that damn thing it tells them that you're willing to put up with their bullshit and please sir may I have another.
I'm not. I demand shit that works. Failing that, I demand to be able to find out why. If my shit doesn't work and I can't find out why... well, then no deal. I wouldn't buy a car with the hood welded shut either. Why do you tolerate being treated that way?
The real question is: Is Linux for developers and geeks, or is it for everyone? And that is something the Linux community needs to answer before it can move forward.
Then by all means, allow me. Linux is for everyone who wants it. It is not for everyone who is bound and determined to not use it, or not ever learn anything about anything. And that's just fine.
Actually, it's amazing how many people I've seen flounder on that. Which I guess is understandable, people who are used to Word are used to the corresponding menu in the Word save dialog having nothing to offer them. It doesn't occur to them to look./shrug Whaddaya do?
By getting out of the computer business and selling fashion accessories. This is neither sarcastic nor trollish, I was just having this conversation with my girlfriend (who owns a Mac and likes it; I fucking hate the thing, it's like trying to surf the web on a Lego). They sell computers to people who don't want a computer. Brilliant business plan.
But there is no reason for a normal person to find some ad-hoc work around to the software not working on an OS they have no special love for.
Response the first: So would that Verizon CD have worked if she'd put it in a Mac? Really, this is an open question to anyone who's dealt with it, I don't know.
Response the second: Guess what everybody? You can't put Playstation games in a Wii! Holy shit!
In most people's minds, Office = MS. They aren't going to go looking for random alternatives just because they are out there. That isn't the way people work.
Yeah, Applications > Office > Word Processor is just so random. I mean, who would expect it? And that interface! Why, it's just so radically different from Office 2000, of course we can't expect this poor person to possibly understand it! This is obviously the geeks' fault.
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Yeah, familiar with the business model. Still think it's bullshit. See, when I buy a book or a hamburger or a house, it's mine. I'm not renting music, I'm not renting software. Especially not at those prices. Get real.
"Features." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
You are needlessly rude and deliberately disingenuous. I said "major OS updates." So let's look at this list again.
3.1: 1990
NT: 1993
'95: 1995
2k/XP: 2000
Vista: 2007
In order: 3,2,5,7
Desktop: 5,5,7
Business: 3,7,(7 again if you want to count Vista as a business OS)
Don't be an asshole.
Compared to every single one of Microsoft's major OS updates three years is most certainly a rush to market. For crying out loud, it probably took them three years to come up with the name Vista.
Well see, the car analogy's kind of like a Subaru. You see a lot of them, but they're so damn versatile and efficient that you can't decide whether to hate it or run out and get your own.
MS Office must work, Adobe Photoshop must work
Did you know you can't put Playstation games in a Wii? It's true! And somehow they still sell both Wiis and Playstations! Shocking but true.
Work on 3rd party electronic device compatibility: cameras off the shelf from best buy must work, printers and scanners must work, ipods must work.
Done, done, done, and done. Moving on.
And no, the correct answer is not "use gimp" or "use openoffice"
Yeah, actually it is. You may not believe it. You may not like it. If that is the case, Linux may not be for you. The beautiful thing here is that we don't need 100% market penetration to be a success. Keep on doing what you're doing. We'll keep doubling our market share every damn year. You'll be back.
In this case you're going to have to make it easier for the companies (the new target market) to make more money either by sharing the workload or offering them something that benefits them.
So you're suggesting something like making the accumulated source code of every piece of free software ever written available to them free of charge? Hey, I bet we can work with that.
On a side note: I've always felt that FreeBSD had a better chance for being a good base for a desktop OS simply because of licensing.
You're right, that's why BSD has been so successful. Chopped into tiny pieces and shoved into competitors' products.
So you're saying that when I was in the first grade in 1987 in "computer class," typing away on an Apple IIe terminal, I was not in fact in a first grade classroom at all but actually in a room full of propeller-head geeks?
Interesting hypothesis.
Already tried that, it was called CnR, from (gag) Linspire. Everyone fucking hated it.
Other than that, in every single fresh install of the OS I have seen or done (not on the Toshiba or Gateway POS-3000 laptop at bestbuy), it has been tremendously stable and even FASTER than XP at times with the right amount of memory.
Bullshit.
Don't expect it to work well on your 5 year old slow-ass Pentium4
If you don't think that's a problem, I've got about a hundred million P4 owners on the line who'd like a word with you. ftr, Ubuntu 8.10 runs great on a P4 with Intel graphics, with eye candy turned up to 11.
But on modern hardware, Linux can't play anywhere near the games or run the same apps as Vista.
And you can't put a Playstation game in a Wii. Oh the horror.
This is also true of my customers (I sell Ubuntu machines). Really. You can go awfully far without ever needing to know the terminal's there.
Add/Remove Programs is a good alternative for the n00bish. Well-presented lists with categories, icons, ratings and descriptions. Unfortunately, many packages aren't in there. I don't know what the problem is with that, but if anyone knows a little more about it, please clue me in, as I'd like to help.
Yes, search is important, but if you really believe that "you don't need to know where your files are," you're part of the problem.
Car analogy time! You don't need to know how internal combustion operates to use a car. You do need to know where the gas goes.
Expect Microsoft to offer to ship a version of Windows without any web browser. So you won't be able to download firefox either!
Damn near every Linux distro I know ships with multiple browsers. What's the problem here?
People have been waving that flag for at least 20 years, and it still hasn't happened.
That's because all anyone's done has been waving the flag. What actual efforts toward user education have been undertaken? From where I sit, I see things like iTunes training users that they don't need to know where their files are, and UAC asking "are you sure you're sure?" The entire business model of non-free software depends on keeping users uneducated, divided, an helpless.
Your point. I hadn't looked for a while, they've changed the layout. That's what I get for thinking I'm smart.
So next time you're in getting your car fixed and you don't know what a lower control arm is, I hope they call you an idiot.
Rebuttal 1: Let's put this in perspective. This girl couldn't figure out how to plug the ethernet cable in, so she dropped out of school and called the press. If she'd pulled this stunt with a Windows machine or a Mac, instead of being laughed at by thousands, she'd be laughed at by millions. This isn't a "Linux users are pricks" thing. This is a "Learn to fucking read" thing.
Rebuttal 2: Your analogy is ridiculous. Here's a better one. If you got a new car and couldn't find the ignition because it was on the dash instead of the steering column, and you called the dealership and demanded your money back, and when they told you to go fuck yourself you called the press, then you're an idiot. Like my old man used to say, "Ignorance is a treatable condition, but stupid's for life."
I don't know if it's a certification program, but I've seen exactly that.
Both my memory (Patriot) and my audio player (iAudio) had Tux on the box. Sold me.
Damn straight I look for the penguin. And if it ain't there, I ask why not.
"Those who would give up essential liberty for a video driver deserve neither liberty nor video drivers." -someone else's sig
All cheekiness aside, if you want to be stuck with shitty unsupportable binary-only drivers forever, by all means keep using nVidia. Every time you install that damn thing it tells them that you're willing to put up with their bullshit and please sir may I have another.
I'm not. I demand shit that works. Failing that, I demand to be able to find out why. If my shit doesn't work and I can't find out why... well, then no deal. I wouldn't buy a car with the hood welded shut either. Why do you tolerate being treated that way?
Have you tried to find the Linux machines on the Dell website? I am hard-pressed to believe that one could "accidentally" purchase one.
The real question is: Is Linux for developers and geeks, or is it for everyone? And that is something the Linux community needs to answer before it can move forward.
Then by all means, allow me. Linux is for everyone who wants it. It is not for everyone who is bound and determined to not use it, or not ever learn anything about anything. And that's just fine.
So, moving on then.
Having read TFA, I don't see any evidence whatever of this individual "trying to use it." I see a lot of "trying not to use it."
Actually, it's amazing how many people I've seen flounder on that. Which I guess is understandable, people who are used to Word are used to the corresponding menu in the Word save dialog having nothing to offer them. It doesn't occur to them to look. /shrug Whaddaya do?
By getting out of the computer business and selling fashion accessories. This is neither sarcastic nor trollish, I was just having this conversation with my girlfriend (who owns a Mac and likes it; I fucking hate the thing, it's like trying to surf the web on a Lego). They sell computers to people who don't want a computer. Brilliant business plan.
Bullshit. You certainly can do all those things with Ubuntu. She, for whatever reason, did not want to. It's that simple.
But there is no reason for a normal person to find some ad-hoc work around to the software not working on an OS they have no special love for.
Response the first: So would that Verizon CD have worked if she'd put it in a Mac? Really, this is an open question to anyone who's dealt with it, I don't know.
Response the second: Guess what everybody? You can't put Playstation games in a Wii! Holy shit!
In most people's minds, Office = MS. They aren't going to go looking for random alternatives just because they are out there. That isn't the way people work.
Yeah, Applications > Office > Word Processor is just so random. I mean, who would expect it? And that interface! Why, it's just so radically different from Office 2000, of course we can't expect this poor person to possibly understand it! This is obviously the geeks' fault.