This is not about killing the possibility to write applications for X, and forward them over X, if needed. This is about all graphical applications should not have to depend on TCP/IP.
Well, what about running the regular apps installed on the computer I'm remotely connected to ? What if I want to run just any application remotely from my server to my netbook, will I need to keep two different versions of my programs just to be able to run them remotely ? I hope not.
What needs to be provided is, given computer A & computer B both installed with a plain Ubuntu distribution (desktop and/or server), I can do "ssh -X" (or "ssh --Wayland", I don't really care), and get any app running on A being displayed on B. If GTK/Qt makes it transparently using X instead of Wayland direct rendering, fine for me. If I need to install special packages (e.g. "firefox-x11") and run special versions of apps, then it'll be a serious regression, and I'd be looking seriously at alternatives (probably a X11-buntu sub-distribution;) ).
I guess this is the case for many people: as soon as you have a setup of several computers at home and organised them into a local network (and not just a bunch of individual machines that connect to the Internet independently), you start to rely on network management (not even speaking about enterprise setups). I use daily "ssh -X" to run remote GUI apps on my netbook.
I also happen to maintain my parents' computers (located 25 km away), and once in a while I pop up one of their applications on my screen, to reconfigure it when something's broken or not working as wished, at least when there are no good CLI way of doing it, which is the case with most GUI apps today (it's quite slow over the internet with different providers, but it just works, which is enough for my needs).
Being a long-time Ubuntu user, I'd hate it to have to switch away from it (it takes time to reinstall all those machines - and I can't upgrade them remotely as I'm doing today with Ubuntu), but remotely running GUI apps is a must.
If in two years (or whenever the switch is done), I can log in to any computer running Ubuntu 12.04 or whatever and run any regular app forwarded to my own netbook/laptop transparently, then no problem... otherwise...
I'm OK with Ubuntu switching away from X and all, but I'm wary of the apparent lack of concern for network transparency support for regular apps. But they still have time to understand that their user base does not only consist of single computers connected individually to the internet.
I guess all those voice mails that are stored in fixed and mobile networks can now be listened to by anybody working at the network operator. There has to be some really interesting bits in there.
Come to think of it, store-and-forward is a popular way to transmit faxes in mobile networks: instead of having your phone (or the PDA attached to it) negotiate a fax session directly with the fax you attempt to reach, it contacts a store-and-forward application in the mobile network, which in turn contacts the destination fax machine (much better to avoid timeouts, among other things). I guess all these faxes can be read freely by the telecom operators now...
I guess it doesn't stop there either (what about SMS, MMS, etc. ?).
I hope this gets overruled or something soon, even though I don't live in the US myself.
Couldn't it be instead because the Israelian army has killed enough children and women as "collateral damages" that the Palestinians don't see any future ?
And justifying a state-backed series of murders by an eye-for-eye, tooth-for-tooth against suicide bombers who are so easily enrolled by terrorist groups because they are desperate and humiliated daily is not something anybody in their right mind can condone.
It's scary to see how three years of Bush administration brainwashing has made a majority of the US population become such warmongers, and happily rejoice for a return to the law of the wild west ("Obey me ! I am the truth, the light, and God agrees with me, 'cause he gave me the bigger gun") ! As if the current administration politics were bringing safety to the US... More likely resentment from all other countries, or worse.
I know quite a few people around here in Europe, who could have been qualified as "pro-americans" (whatever the US did, they had to be forgiven because of their former involvement in WWII, etc)... well, no more. Bush managed to destroy any rest of trust and faith that was left. Most people now would avoid the US as much as possible (although it's difficult, as the US doesn't stay really quiet, with their joke of a president).
The US's behaviour is really going backwards from the rest of the world.
Hopefully this will change after the next elections, and these stupid projects will be forgotten for good ! At least so far, we outside of the US are aware that this is all because of an unelected president that can't align two sentences in a row properly (well, thanks to Diebold, maybe next time the results will give him a clear majority of votes;) He won't talk any better, but he'll be "elected").
PS: and dismissing comments from others as "leftist tree-hugger commie eurotrash bullshit" is just showing how brainwashed and ignorant an unfortunately too large percentage of the US population is... (although this is far from being everybody ! I have quite a few very good and very smart friends in the US - I do hope they are representative of a large part of the population !)
Anthropomorphism is the tendency that some of us humans have to give human traits to non-human animals or others (think about your grand-ma talking about her cats, but it's not restricted to pets).
Anthropocentrism is the tendency you describe, that everything revolves around us humans.
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This is not about killing the possibility to write applications for X, and forward them over X, if needed. This is about all graphical applications should not have to depend on TCP/IP.
Well, what about running the regular apps installed on the computer I'm remotely connected to ? What if I want to run just any application remotely from my server to my netbook, will I need to keep two different versions of my programs just to be able to run them remotely ? I hope not.
What needs to be provided is, given computer A & computer B both installed with a plain Ubuntu distribution (desktop and/or server), I can do "ssh -X" (or "ssh --Wayland", I don't really care), and get any app running on A being displayed on B. If GTK/Qt makes it transparently using X instead of Wayland direct rendering, fine for me. If I need to install special packages (e.g. "firefox-x11") and run special versions of apps, then it'll be a serious regression, and I'd be looking seriously at alternatives (probably a X11-buntu sub-distribution ;) ).
I guess this is the case for many people: as soon as you have a setup of several computers at home and organised them into a local network (and not just a bunch of individual machines that connect to the Internet independently), you start to rely on network management (not even speaking about enterprise setups). I use daily "ssh -X" to run remote GUI apps on my netbook.
I also happen to maintain my parents' computers (located 25 km away), and once in a while I pop up one of their applications on my screen, to reconfigure it when something's broken or not working as wished, at least when there are no good CLI way of doing it, which is the case with most GUI apps today (it's quite slow over the internet with different providers, but it just works, which is enough for my needs).
Being a long-time Ubuntu user, I'd hate it to have to switch away from it (it takes time to reinstall all those machines - and I can't upgrade them remotely as I'm doing today with Ubuntu), but remotely running GUI apps is a must.
If in two years (or whenever the switch is done), I can log in to any computer running Ubuntu 12.04 or whatever and run any regular app forwarded to my own netbook/laptop transparently, then no problem... otherwise...
I'm OK with Ubuntu switching away from X and all, but I'm wary of the apparent lack of concern for network transparency support for regular apps. But they still have time to understand that their user base does not only consist of single computers connected individually to the internet.
I guess all those voice mails that are stored in fixed and mobile networks can now be listened to by anybody working at the network operator. There has to be some really interesting bits in there.
Come to think of it, store-and-forward is a popular way to transmit faxes in mobile networks: instead of having your phone (or the PDA attached to it) negotiate a fax session directly with the fax you attempt to reach, it contacts a store-and-forward application in the mobile network, which in turn contacts the destination fax machine (much better to avoid timeouts, among other things). I guess all these faxes can be read freely by the telecom operators now...
I guess it doesn't stop there either (what about SMS, MMS, etc. ?).
I hope this gets overruled or something soon, even though I don't live in the US myself.
Couldn't it be instead because the Israelian army has killed enough children and women as "collateral damages" that the Palestinians don't see any future ?
And justifying a state-backed series of murders by an eye-for-eye, tooth-for-tooth against suicide bombers who are so easily enrolled by terrorist groups because they are desperate and humiliated daily is not something anybody in their right mind can condone.
It's scary to see how three years of Bush administration brainwashing has made a majority of the US population become such warmongers, and happily rejoice for a return to the law of the wild west ("Obey me ! I am the truth, the light, and God agrees with me, 'cause he gave me the bigger gun") ! As if the current administration politics were bringing safety to the US... More likely resentment from all other countries, or worse.
;) He won't talk any better, but he'll be "elected").
I know quite a few people around here in Europe, who could have been qualified as "pro-americans" (whatever the US did, they had to be forgiven because of their former involvement in WWII, etc)... well, no more. Bush managed to destroy any rest of trust and faith that was left. Most people now would avoid the US as much as possible (although it's difficult, as the US doesn't stay really quiet, with their joke of a president).
The US's behaviour is really going backwards from the rest of the world.
Hopefully this will change after the next elections, and these stupid projects will be forgotten for good ! At least so far, we outside of the US are aware that this is all because of an unelected president that can't align two sentences in a row properly (well, thanks to Diebold, maybe next time the results will give him a clear majority of votes
PS: and dismissing comments from others as "leftist tree-hugger commie eurotrash bullshit" is just showing how brainwashed and ignorant an unfortunately too large percentage of the US population is... (although this is far from being everybody ! I have quite a few very good and very smart friends in the US - I do hope they are representative of a large part of the population !)
The Hubble Space Telescope is already an international project: it's a joint NASA-ESA cooperation (well, 85%-15%, but still).
European astronomers get a 15% time share for observations.
Anthropomorphism is the tendency that some of us humans have to give human traits to non-human animals or others (think about your grand-ma talking about her cats, but it's not restricted to pets). Anthropocentrism is the tendency you describe, that everything revolves around us humans.