interesting point; id like to note, however, that firstly, microsoft HAS done this (they stole the freebsd tcp/ip stack); secondly, in my ideal world, yes, microsoft could/would/should do that because their software (in my ideal world) would also be open source; thirdly, the GPL actually protects against such things in a world of intellectual property laws -- without taking advantage of those laws to quash freedom of source.
but its actually legal and though it may seem severe, its less.. controversial than many of the things done in other countries (carnivore, anyone?). dont get me wong, i oppose intellectual property laws almost across the board, but as far as following the laws that exist, this seems to be pretty much ok. note to self: stay the hell away from belgium.
well, if you define the "American Way" as all-out laissez-faire capitalism, thn yes, Open Source does threaten the "American Way". The closest comparison to the Open Source Way in real life is a form of socialism (those who still think socialism == totalitarianism and/or fascism need not reply). Think about it -- all resources (code etc) are owned by no one person but by the community at large (aka the "state"); all in the community contribute to the improvement and development of the resources; the resources are free to access and use to anyone; the list goes on. admitted, there are areas where the analogy breaks down: coding for the open source community does not provide you with services other than the software etc; but still, the similarities are there. so, yes, it could be argued that Open Source is not the "American Way" -- but only if the American Way is supposed to be pure laissez-faire capitalism.
thats a good point, but it really doesnt apply in this case. this is not an engineered bacteria, this is a natural one found in the wild.. it already exists and already cleans up waste, we're just going to put it to use in places that need it. besides im positive that in ANY case such testing procedure as you described would be implmented.
wonders never do cease..
the atomic bomb, if youll remember was NOT mae by the americans
einstein laid the theoretical groundwork for making the atom bomb -- einstein was german
niels bohr and a bunch of other EUROPEAN scientists actually made the atom bomb
no matter that they did i in america; that only shows that america has the money.. not the brains
infact, most inventions credited to america were made by immigrants.. the alternating current (the person who invented this was actually not admitted to the US on his first try to get in, which says something about american intelligence) even the lightbulb..
hell yes
so we have the biggest drug usage in western north america
we have the largest number of free-thinkers in western north america!:P
drugs are bad, mmkay?
no, thats just a myth fed to you
the most used drug (well, most used schedule I controlled substance) is marijuana
whih has ben proven, many times, to be safer than either alcohol or tobacco
and atleast the potheads in vancouver arent scared by the system into meekly obeying an unfair law
potheads forever!
there's plenty wrong with it! it may seem like a small thing, but its the beginning of a police state. especially when one takes into consideration other moves being taken to clamp down on our personal freedom (carnivore anyone?), one can easily see another j edgar hoover -esque era in the making -- this time aided by the technology to make it permanent!
It really doesnt matter what Juno does at all.. the FBI having implemented their Carnivore system (and Echelon to spy on the Continent) anything you do has a chance of being monitored.. if not by Juno, by the FBI. perhaps by both. true privacy is fast approaching the status of a long-forgotten dream. If you dont see me post agin, its because the FBI have seen this and carted me of to their minipax (ministry of peace, see 1984)
one has to winder how this DMCA would affect modchips.. or are they illegal already? i dont know, i have one, i like my burned games;) all backups of ones i bought, ofcourse *ahem*.
according to an article on the ACLU website, DMCA "prohibits manufacturing or offering technology -- such as DeCSS -- that allows users to bypass measures that protect access to copyrighted works." -- wouldnt a modcip fit this category? and if so, how do they plan to get the thousands of distributors of modchips? should be an interesting battle.
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interesting point; id like to note, however, that firstly, microsoft HAS done this (they stole the freebsd tcp/ip stack); secondly, in my ideal world, yes, microsoft could/would/should do that because their software (in my ideal world) would also be open source; thirdly, the GPL actually protects against such things in a world of intellectual property laws -- without taking advantage of those laws to quash freedom of source.
but its actually legal and though it may seem severe, its less.. controversial than many of the things done in other countries (carnivore, anyone?). dont get me wong, i oppose intellectual property laws almost across the board, but as far as following the laws that exist, this seems to be pretty much ok. note to self: stay the hell away from belgium.
well, if you define the "American Way" as all-out laissez-faire capitalism, thn yes, Open Source does threaten the "American Way". The closest comparison to the Open Source Way in real life is a form of socialism (those who still think socialism == totalitarianism and/or fascism need not reply). Think about it -- all resources (code etc) are owned by no one person but by the community at large (aka the "state"); all in the community contribute to the improvement and development of the resources; the resources are free to access and use to anyone; the list goes on. admitted, there are areas where the analogy breaks down: coding for the open source community does not provide you with services other than the software etc; but still, the similarities are there. so, yes, it could be argued that Open Source is not the "American Way" -- but only if the American Way is supposed to be pure laissez-faire capitalism.
thats a good point, but it really doesnt apply in this case. this is not an engineered bacteria, this is a natural one found in the wild.. it already exists and already cleans up waste, we're just going to put it to use in places that need it. besides im positive that in ANY case such testing procedure as you described would be implmented.
woah, buddy, hold it right there.. tom morello is the man. as are all the other members of RATM. RATM > *. thuggery? he's a politial activist!
wonders never do cease.. the atomic bomb, if youll remember was NOT mae by the americans einstein laid the theoretical groundwork for making the atom bomb -- einstein was german niels bohr and a bunch of other EUROPEAN scientists actually made the atom bomb no matter that they did i in america; that only shows that america has the money.. not the brains infact, most inventions credited to america were made by immigrants.. the alternating current (the person who invented this was actually not admitted to the US on his first try to get in, which says something about american intelligence) even the lightbulb..
hell yes so we have the biggest drug usage in western north america we have the largest number of free-thinkers in western north america! :P
drugs are bad, mmkay?
no, thats just a myth fed to you
the most used drug (well, most used schedule I controlled substance) is marijuana
whih has ben proven, many times, to be safer than either alcohol or tobacco
and atleast the potheads in vancouver arent scared by the system into meekly obeying an unfair law
potheads forever!
there's plenty wrong with it! it may seem like a small thing, but its the beginning of a police state. especially when one takes into consideration other moves being taken to clamp down on our personal freedom (carnivore anyone?), one can easily see another j edgar hoover -esque era in the making -- this time aided by the technology to make it permanent!
It really doesnt matter what Juno does at all.. the FBI having implemented their Carnivore system (and Echelon to spy on the Continent) anything you do has a chance of being monitored.. if not by Juno, by the FBI. perhaps by both. true privacy is fast approaching the status of a long-forgotten dream. If you dont see me post agin, its because the FBI have seen this and carted me of to their minipax (ministry of peace, see 1984)
one has to winder how this DMCA would affect modchips.. or are they illegal already? i dont know, i have one, i like my burned games ;) all backups of ones i bought, ofcourse *ahem*.
according to an article on the ACLU website, DMCA "prohibits manufacturing or offering technology -- such as DeCSS -- that allows users to bypass measures that protect access to copyrighted works." -- wouldnt a modcip fit this category? and if so, how do they plan to get the thousands of distributors of modchips? should be an interesting battle.