I also have a Karma and have never noticed any lockup issues. I would suggest finding a windows box to install the software on as it does auto updating to the Karma via web updates which upgrade not only the firmware but also the java client and windows client. I do have to say I love my Karma, I got it because my new car had a jack for an aux. device and I was tired of carrying CDs. So far it has made a trip to Europe and several thousand miles in my car, with an average battery life of 10-12 hours(a little less than advertised but oh well). Again I must say I love the Karma(and I bought it before the recent price drop, big boohoo) and have recommended it to friends
I should not have posted anonymously. I wanted this to be publicly my statements.
Anyway, the next comment is correct. In the Linux world, and might I add the correct world(not because it is linux but because there should no real connection between the kernel and a GUI system, the GUI has absolfuckinlutely nothing to do with the kernel!!!
This guy should get a clue prior to spouting off at the mouth, especially at a place like/.
You maybe right, but I have never seen the first release of a major be perfect, in any software written by anyone! That is why.01,.02, and so on come out so fast right after the initial release.
If 2.7 begins before 2.6 is stable aren't we in danger of seeing a win9x syndrome in that bugs will live for ever and instead of being fixed they will be coded around. I fear very much the long term affects on the kernel and in turn Linux if the trees are split prior to a stabilization period. I am a developer, not on this level, but I have seen the affects of splitting a code base simply to continue developing and at the same time trying to patch existing "production code" and then port things back and forth. It is a very bad idea!! Usually what happens is things don't get back ported they are only provided doing a major upgrade, again the microsoft way of bug fixing.
Granted, you will always have some cross patching, however I think the idea of building off of a clean base is very important. For example, you would not put new tires on your car if the engine is not running, right?
Essentially, I think the issue here is one of knowing the base is clean versus drudging on in the dark despite the fact that you have been offered a lantern.
To put this most bluntly I would call this Microsoft syndrome. As I said before win9x is the perfect example of a system that was never stabilized rather it was constantly released to the unsuspecting public as upgrades which where really bug fixes and the monkeys went back to the keyboards never addressing issues raised by numerous consumer requests on the so called production release because the devel team would rather work on that new feature because it is more interesting than maintaining the existing code base.
I am being harsh here I know, but I am trying to view this in the long term. I feel that this would weaken the kernel and as I said weaken Linux which would in the end at least decrease corporate trust in the stability of Linux or at worst give M$ what it wants, Linux's death,
Maybe I am extreme, feel free to beat me but I know you have to have a clean starting point before you can move forward otherwise you will constantly be taking steps backwards which eventually leads to stagnation and death.
I think this may be the most significant event in the linux world to date. Each of these companies have a great product, especially SuSE, and together they will only strengthen each other, linux, and industry acceptance. Plus I think with the open support by major industry players including NEC, Intel, and IBM United Linux, IMHO, will become the defacto standard. Further IMHO any of the other major distros who choose not to join in are only signing an inevitable death warrant. This is not to say that choice in distros is bad, however IT managers and CIOs really like to be able to get support and count on their software solution providers.United Linux appears poised to make that final corporate push into all aspects, servers and desktops alike. This is what I see as the main advantage of this (non)merger, a consolidation and improvement of support and professional services while building a product that follows the accepted and published standards. Remember that standards only work if they are followed, the LSB only exsists to make Linux more viable and manageable. I would much rather become LSB certified rather than distro certified, distros regardless of size come and go, while, I hope, Linux is forever. GO UNITED LINUX!!!
Re:Well if you really want to spend $80.00
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StarOffice 6.0
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Better yet when you work in IT(as I do) and have to deal with tech support for corporate software packages who can not even understand the problem nor the required solution, then you figure out the solution before they do or they ask you to test their bug fix because they can not recreate the problem. All this after you shell out the cash for the software and support.
I'll take my user level support via mailing lists any day!
Well if you really want to spend $80.00
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StarOffice 6.0
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While StarOffice 6.0 is cheap, the same product is available for free in openoffice 1.0 which is the base. All Sun really did here is repeat what we have already seen in the netbeans -> forte4 java relationship. I say download the software(OpenOffice that is;) ), install it, use it, and join a mailing list if necessary. I always thought real users could better recreate program errors than tech support.
Besides OpenOffice has been perfect for me thus far.
Can anyone say time for another major organization to take the leep and start using LiNUX + Open Source software as their default platform?
Last Year's"City of Largo"(from dot.kde.org), among many others are perfect examples of success in this transition. Yet another example of strong armed M$ tactics to retain their control of the average desktop computer. ANYONE AT THE DOJ READING THE NEWS LATELY??
Agreed, but I think that new users would prefer something similar to the ximian red carpet as it resolves dependencies and downloads all needed files. Also, while my Distro does actively update and provide an online solution not every distro does this and further most distros will make the binaries and put them on kde mirrors but never move them into the update trees on their servers as was the case with kde2.2.2 and SuSE 7.1.
Believe me the installer request is less for myself than it is for the masses. I can install rpms by hand without a bother. After all - real men use the commandline, right?;p
I saw posted this morning on KDEs Site. It appears as though the dispute has been settled, all injuctions have been removed and SuSE has been forced to make no licensing payments. Check out the posting here http://dot.kde.org/1010560070/. It is good to see that common sense took over and an unnecessary court case was avoided. Question: Is it just me or are companies becoming more and more shoot first and ask questions later than they used to be?
I first must start by saying that yes LiNUX does Rule but at the moment IBM does not rule.(Sorry big blue). Any way here is my question/concern:
What is IBMs true level of commitment to LiNUX, I have seen the streets painted and the tv commercials which are all well and good but I have yet to see any real LiNUX support, where are my Client Access Expresses, my Java or for that matter any development tools?
All I seem to hear is "Yes we are working on that", or "this will be available next quarter" and never is. As example, VAJava which was promised by actual IBM employees to be a fully functional version 3.5 for LiNUX last Decemember and yet I am not using it yet. Please IBM marketing ploys only go so far it is time to provide the tools LiNUX users need and want or stop talking 100% LiNUX support because right now you are at maybe 2% LiNUX support.
Typical MS shit, always what they don't understand and see as competition is going to inevitably fail. Linux will fail because they say it lacks in areas of key enterprise concern. What about their OS's that don't have the stability to run enterprise apps consistently and reliably. They may have gotten rid of the blue screen of death but 2k still crashes. As far as java again MS does not see a future for it because it does not belong to MS they can not control it and make it into a winblows specific programming language. If the future of computing is an internet/network - centric one C# is surely not the answer and MS will not be able to control everything. Why can't they see that? Come on it is the World Wide Web not the MS Internet.
Wake up Redmond, smell the fish and look out for the angry Java drinking Penguins!!
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I also have a Karma and have never noticed any lockup issues. I would suggest finding a windows box to install the software on as it does auto updating to the Karma via web updates which upgrade not only the firmware but also the java client and windows client. I do have to say I love my Karma, I got it because my new car had a jack for an aux. device and I was tired of carrying CDs. So far it has made a trip to Europe and several thousand miles in my car, with an average battery life of 10-12 hours(a little less than advertised but oh well). Again I must say I love the Karma(and I bought it before the recent price drop, big boohoo) and have recommended it to friends
Of course!!!
I should not have posted anonymously. I wanted this to be publicly my statements.
/.
Anyway, the next comment is correct. In the Linux world, and might I add the correct world(not because it is linux but because there should no real connection between the kernel and a GUI system, the GUI has absolfuckinlutely nothing to do with the kernel!!!
This guy should get a clue prior to spouting off at the mouth, especially at a place like
You maybe right, but I have never seen the first release of a major be perfect, in any software written by anyone! That is why .01, .02, and so on come out so fast right after the initial release.
If 2.7 begins before 2.6 is stable aren't we in danger of seeing a win9x syndrome in that bugs will live for ever and instead of being fixed they will be coded around. I fear very much the long term affects on the kernel and in turn Linux if the trees are split prior to a stabilization period. I am a developer, not on this level, but I have seen the affects of splitting a code base simply to continue developing and at the same time trying to patch existing "production code" and then port things back and forth. It is a very bad idea!! Usually what happens is things don't get back ported they are only provided doing a major upgrade, again the microsoft way of bug fixing.
Granted, you will always have some cross patching, however I think the idea of building off of a clean base is very important. For example, you would not put new tires on your car if the engine is not running, right?
Essentially, I think the issue here is one of knowing the base is clean versus drudging on in the dark despite the fact that you have been offered a lantern.
To put this most bluntly I would call this Microsoft syndrome. As I said before win9x is the perfect example of a system that was never stabilized rather it was constantly released to the unsuspecting public as upgrades which where really bug fixes and the monkeys went back to the keyboards never addressing issues raised by numerous consumer requests on the so called production release because the devel team would rather work on that new feature because it is more interesting than maintaining the existing code base.
I am being harsh here I know, but I am trying to view this in the long term. I feel that this would weaken the kernel and as I said weaken Linux which would in the end at least decrease corporate trust in the stability of Linux or at worst give M$ what it wants, Linux's death,
Maybe I am extreme, feel free to beat me but I know you have to have a clean starting point before you can move forward otherwise you will constantly be taking steps backwards which eventually leads to stagnation and death.
Just my thoughts
I think this may be the most significant event in the linux world to date. Each of these companies have a great product, especially SuSE, and together they will only strengthen each other, linux, and industry acceptance. Plus I think with the open support by major industry players including NEC, Intel, and IBM United Linux, IMHO, will become the defacto standard. Further IMHO any of the other major distros who choose not to join in are only signing an inevitable death warrant. This is not to say that choice in distros is bad, however IT managers and CIOs really like to be able to get support and count on their software solution providers.United Linux appears poised to make that final corporate push into all aspects, servers and desktops alike. This is what I see as the main advantage of this (non)merger, a consolidation and improvement of support and professional services while building a product that follows the accepted and published standards. Remember that standards only work if they are followed, the LSB only exsists to make Linux more viable and manageable. I would much rather become LSB certified rather than distro certified, distros regardless of size come and go, while, I hope, Linux is forever. GO UNITED LINUX!!!
Better yet when you work in IT(as I do) and have to deal with tech support for corporate software packages who can not even understand the problem nor the required solution, then you figure out the solution before they do or they ask you to test their bug fix because they can not recreate the problem. All this after you shell out the cash for the software and support.
I'll take my user level support via mailing lists any day!
While StarOffice 6.0 is cheap, the same product is available for free in openoffice 1.0 which is the base. All Sun really did here is repeat what we have already seen in the netbeans -> forte4 java relationship. I say download the software(OpenOffice that is ;) ), install it, use it, and join a mailing list if necessary. I always thought real users could better recreate program errors than tech support.
Besides OpenOffice has been perfect for me thus far.
Can anyone say time for another major organization to take the leep and start using LiNUX + Open Source software as their default platform?
Last Year's"City of Largo"(from dot.kde.org), among many others are perfect examples of success in this transition. Yet another example of strong armed M$ tactics to retain their control of the average desktop computer. ANYONE AT THE DOJ READING THE NEWS LATELY??
Agreed, but I think that new users would prefer something similar to the ximian red carpet as it resolves dependencies and downloads all needed files. Also, while my Distro does actively update and provide an online solution not every distro does this and further most distros will make the binaries and put them on kde mirrors but never move them into the update trees on their servers as was the case with kde2.2.2 and SuSE 7.1. ;p
Believe me the installer request is less for myself than it is for the masses. I can install rpms by hand without a bother. After all - real men use the commandline, right?
Damn Slick
Great Job to all the KDE team!!
1 Question, when, if ever, will we get an installer?
I saw posted this morning on KDEs Site. It appears as though the dispute has been settled, all injuctions have been removed and SuSE has been forced to make no licensing payments. Check out the posting here http://dot.kde.org/1010560070/. It is good to see that common sense took over and an unnecessary court case was avoided. Question: Is it just me or are companies becoming more and more shoot first and ask questions later than they used to be?
I first must start by saying that yes LiNUX does Rule but at the moment IBM does not rule.(Sorry big blue). Any way here is my question/concern: What is IBMs true level of commitment to LiNUX, I have seen the streets painted and the tv commercials which are all well and good but I have yet to see any real LiNUX support, where are my Client Access Expresses, my Java or for that matter any development tools? All I seem to hear is "Yes we are working on that", or "this will be available next quarter" and never is. As example, VAJava which was promised by actual IBM employees to be a fully functional version 3.5 for LiNUX last Decemember and yet I am not using it yet. Please IBM marketing ploys only go so far it is time to provide the tools LiNUX users need and want or stop talking 100% LiNUX support because right now you are at maybe 2% LiNUX support.
Typical MS shit, always what they don't understand and see as competition is going to inevitably fail. Linux will fail because they say it lacks in areas of key enterprise concern. What about their OS's that don't have the stability to run enterprise apps consistently and reliably. They may have gotten rid of the blue screen of death but 2k still crashes. As far as java again MS does not see a future for it because it does not belong to MS they can not control it and make it into a winblows specific programming language. If the future of computing is an internet/network - centric one C# is surely not the answer and MS will not be able to control everything. Why can't they see that? Come on it is the World Wide Web not the MS Internet. Wake up Redmond, smell the fish and look out for the angry Java drinking Penguins!!