Personally, no 22-year-old kid should be paid more than $25,000 a year if they have no experience, degree or not. Let them earn their pay. Give 'em the big bucks when they have proved themselves! An education is good, but it doesn't replace actually doing a job.
Oh yeah... forgot about this bit.
I guess that means I should be on about a $100,000 salary -- after all, I'm 23 and have 16 or 17 years coding experience. (Started in Z80 assembly language, BASIC and 6502...)
So let me rephrase that for you - no-one without the necessary experience and ability to do their job should earn tons of money. Age has nothing to do with it (it's just a bias factor - the older someone is, the higher the likelihood they've got the necessary skills and experience. However, the older they are, it is equally likely that in a field like this one, they have obsoleted their skillset. Single most important trait of a programmer is the ability to (a) learn fast, and (b) memorize index terms)
It's not all the corporations' fault. Many of these kids expect a job handed to them upon graduation and expect to be paid at least $50,000 a year to start despite not knowing squat! Why do they expect this? Because a few companies like Microsoft pay it. Of course, they expect 60-80 hour weeks for this kind of pay, but don't tell this to the kids.
Mind you, they also expect you to be able to code like a diva too. Degree not required - but it helps. (Especially when you need a visa, like me -the US is rather strict about granting visas to people without the shiny little piece of paper they can point at)
If it is MS, I just can't fathom the stupidity of this stunt. Even if you only have three functioning brain cells, that's two more than you'll need to figure out that this is a rather dumb thing to do. I can't see how news of MS getting uptight and suing people for saying naughty things about MS, is good PR. Especially now.
I guess that MS has finally decided to write off the ABB crowd (anything but Bill), because no way in heck they can possibly think that this development will win them converts over from the other side.
Somehow I doubt it's us. If it is, I'll be very surprised.
This is the same Lewis Mettler who terrorized the MSNBC Tech BBS for 4 months before he was banned. He seemed to have this idea that IE was worth 70% of the price of Windows 98, so he should be able to buy Win98 for $30. Not only that, but as he'd bought it at full price, Microsoft should give all their users a $140 refund.
I mean, WTF?!?!?!?!?!??!
You can read more wonderful Mettler-isms at http://www.lamlaw.com
he still reckons he's being censored by the MSNBC tech admins. Which isn't true - he's just being prevented from engaging in his wonderful "cut & paste" style of debating.
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Personally, no 22-year-old kid should be paid more than $25,000 a year if they have no experience, degree or not. Let them earn their pay. Give 'em the big bucks when they have proved themselves! An education is good, but it doesn't replace actually doing a job.
Oh yeah... forgot about this bit.
I guess that means I should be on about a $100,000 salary -- after all, I'm 23 and have 16 or 17 years coding experience. (Started in Z80 assembly language, BASIC and 6502...)
So let me rephrase that for you - no-one without the necessary experience and ability to do their job should earn tons of money. Age has nothing to do with it (it's just a bias factor - the older someone is, the higher the likelihood they've got the necessary skills and experience. However, the older they are, it is equally likely that in a field like this one, they have obsoleted their skillset. Single most important trait of a programmer is the ability to (a) learn fast, and (b) memorize index terms)
It's not all the corporations' fault. Many of these kids expect a job handed to them upon graduation and expect to be paid at least $50,000 a year to start despite not knowing squat! Why do they expect this? Because a few companies like Microsoft pay it. Of course, they expect 60-80 hour weeks for this kind of pay, but don't tell this to the kids.
Mind you, they also expect you to be able to code like a diva too. Degree not required - but it helps. (Especially when you need a visa, like me -the US is rather strict about granting visas to people without the shiny little piece of paper they can point at)
Simon
If it is MS, I just can't fathom the stupidity of this stunt. Even if you only have three functioning brain cells, that's two more than you'll need to figure out that this is a rather dumb thing to do. I can't see how news of MS getting uptight and suing people for saying naughty things about MS, is good PR. Especially now.
I guess that MS has finally decided to write off the ABB crowd (anything but Bill), because no way in heck they can possibly think that this development will win them converts over from the other side.
Somehow I doubt it's us. If it is, I'll be very surprised.
Simon
I think that they both should give $1 million dollars to charity. It's not like they couldn't afford it.
I doubt MS would say that giving the money to the charity is not good enough.
Er, actually, I believe that MS has already said that it would do that with the money, if Ellison paid up.
This is the same Lewis Mettler who terrorized the MSNBC Tech BBS for 4 months before he was banned. He seemed to have this idea that IE was worth 70% of the price of Windows 98, so he should be able to buy Win98 for $30. Not only that, but as he'd bought it at full price, Microsoft should give all their users a $140 refund.
I mean, WTF?!?!?!?!?!??!
You can read more wonderful Mettler-isms at http://www.lamlaw.com
he still reckons he's being censored by the MSNBC tech admins. Which isn't true - he's just being prevented from engaging in his wonderful "cut & paste" style of debating.