I, too have created artificial life inside my computer that meets Hemos's description. My lifeforms also succeed by taking up more processing time, living a long time, and reproducing. In fact as my first contribution to the wonderful world of open source software, I shall publish below the C source code to my monumental achievement:
I notice once again that totally innapropriate comments are moderated up to 2 or even 3, while comments germane to the topic are at 0 or even -1 simply because they are anti-gibson or dare to mock the sick joke that is the so-called 'cyberpunk' culture.
Along with the plodding glacier-like speed with which the project is proceeding, the final product is completely underwhelming. What exactly are these alleged milestones that the project seems to be reacing so quickly, with no apparent improvement once you download and run the damn thing?
Next week on Slashdot:
Mozilla has reached milestone 58978728! New Features: Preferences Dialog works (still a few hundred bugs, however). Implemented tag.
You go, girl!
Perhaps the Mozilla project feels that they must have some sort of morale-boosting event once in a while to keep project members from abandoning the Mozilla Project like rats from a sinking ship.
Perhaps this project, above all others illustrates the obvious failure of the open source system. The source code to a huge and monumentally important piece of software was released, a project that was professionally worked on by paid developers.
Where are the flocks of eager developers waiting to sink their hands into this project? Why, there aren't any. And if it weren't for Alan Cox, the Linux kernel would be in the same situation.
It's not just wild chops that makes you an incredible drummer, to me it is that extra flair and finesse that many jazz drummers possess that the more modern forms of music are totally devoid of. Let's take Dave Weckl, INCREDIBLY tallented drummer, however, he couldn't swing from a rope!
My all time favorite drum solo is Joe Morello's famous solo on Take Five (Dave Brubeck Quartet, Time Out) No raw speed, but raw talent, unbelievable finsse and taste.
I have not heard that album you're referring to but have just ordered it..
You say Townshend is good? a good blues guitarist such as BB King or Stevie Ray Vaughn could knock him on his ass without thinking.
Point to the best rock drummer and you can point to fifteen jazz drummers that can be immediately precieved as being entire orders of magnitude better without ever showing their entire skill set.
The rock form is simplistic. Never has there really been a rock artist that stretched the boundaries of the art after the parameters were set, such as Miles Davis and Dave Brubeck did for jazz.
That Katz utilizes slashdot as a purely one-way conduit of information? His brainless editorials appear on the front page of Slashdot, and yet he never finds time to reply to any of the well thought out responses to his idiocy. He merely crawls back under the rock from whence he came until he can prepare another nugget of wisdom to fore down our collective throat. Perhaps Malda should give equal billing and front page space to the 10 or so best replies to each Katz article and browbeat Katz into addressing each of their points. At the very least his failure would be amusing.
Right now Katz just pisses in our Cheerios and disapears.
First there was the contrived morality play of part 1, which I am completely willing to wager that he fabricated. (Oh there just happened to be a little geeklet in line, Katz's vision of the ubermensch, having downloaded the film off the internet. Sure, sure..)
And now there's this babbling insanity about movie theater anarchy.
Humor that geeks understand? The last 5,285 films I had had no mention of the classic 'fsck' in place of 'fuck', or scraggly-haired linux programmers with bad teeth known by 3 initials pasting Bill Gates's face on European fascist leaders' bodies.
Because Katzie only wants to see geeks as members of his new anarchist great society, where there is no private property and everyone will sit on their asses in front of their computers 24 hours a day.
Watch out my friend, the legions of drooling worshipful 'geek society' members who always seem to get moderator status will moderate you down to -5000, as seems to happen to any post that is not pro Linux/Katz/CmdrTaco.
Okay mister moral high road, you pay the 15 bucks apiece a month to your cable modem provider for the extra IP's for your internal network, I'll use Masq.
Katzie your treatment of technology as some sort of god sickens me, though perhaps its appropriate in a forum with so many techno nerds with their heads stuck firmly up their rectums.
You don't need computers to inflate a story beyond its true meaning. Recall when the U.S. Battleship Maine exploded. Having actually been a powder explosion in the magazine, William Randolph Hearst, the newspaper tycoon, blamed it on the spaniards, inflating the actual story beyond all recognition. At one point he actually told his reporters that he would 'supply the war'.
Westwood gets a million requests for a linux version of their software, fron linux zealots that want every possible piece of software for linux. Westwood then duitifully ports it over. Then, not a single Linux user buys it since it's not 'free software'.
Yeah the other day my.com.net.org and.edu buddies were bitching about something or other.
God what a dork.
Note To Australians and Brits: I get free Local calls, but it doesn't matter as far as data transfer goes because of my $45 a month Cable Modem with no download charges.
I'm sure that Jon Katz would be appalled at your attempt to remove the ability of these fine young moral members of the internet hacker community to satisfy their curiosity as to what is on your web server.
Crackers should be embraced, not oppressed by people like you.
>But can you tell when you buy a finished produce >(say, chocolate bar) what kind of cereals it >contains ? It depends on the candy bar brand. Not with say, Hersheys, but there are smaller candy bar makers which usually have their products in the smaller Co Ops or 'hippie' supermarkets that document at least the type of ingredients in their product. Interesting point. The English are fond of imitating the US. When the conservatist were in control here, they unregulated a lots of tings in a very Reagan style, creating gaps where health is at risk. In the US you still feed beef with hormones (they are banned in Europe). When the US governement has to choose between consumer health or industry interest, the industry always comes first... I only buy beef that has not been treated with hormones, and I only buy milk that comes from dairy cows that are not treated with BhT. It's nat hard to purchase food from more natural sources in the USA, and I believe it's better for me. As for Africa the latest events in Congo where pushed by the US (which is trying to get a foot on the continent). As for Hitler you are right, but he would have been there if the Americans hadn't started a major economic crisis with their wild capitalism in 1929. German stamps used to cost billions of marks in the early 30s because of te crisis that threw the country on its knees (along>with WWI damages, I concede). There was a US -> Germany -> France/Britain -> US money cycle that went on so the countries could pay their repercussions/war debts to other countries, it was a neccesary cycle. Hitler was almost entirely due to the draconian repercussions demanded by Britain and France. Japan was part of WWII as far as I know. WWI was indeed the bloodiest conflict in history. But we never used the atomic bomb also... Were we to invade mainland Japan (without any european help!!!!) in operation 'Olympia', estimated casualty rates were 500,000 dead on the american side. Unfeasible. Korea was lengthened by American administrative stupidity. Thanks:-) However, it was certainly not started by the United States, and was probably a neccesary evil. Vietnam was originally caused by the French. Certainly not ! It was caused by a bunch of stupid rightish US politicians who helped a corrupt Vietnamese governement to resist a local revolution. No one will ever be able to justify the US actions in Vietnam. You really were on the bad side on this one. I don't approve of the American actions in Vietnam and never have, I was simply recalling what the French provencial government did. You guys ARE arrogant I've talked with Indians, Chineses, Europeans and all of them seems to believe Americans are the most arrogant people on earth. I've always considered that honor to belong to the French.:-D I'll always remember this quote from an American on TV when the wall in Berlin felt : "People must come here and see how they should live". If this is not arrogance... Well you get a little ill of europeans lambasting the way of life in the United States, I believe I've brought up enough germane points to cut this viewpoint down a little.
>Well, if you like genetically engineered corn, >then yes. Over here we have banned most of it and >wait to see if you'll get a third arm or not;-)
Genetically engeneered product is not purely American. I myself am against it and only buy organically grown produce.
Ever heard of Mad Cow Disease?
>Well, Americans did a big genocide against the >natives (and believe me, some of the attacks >against natives were as bloody as the worst parts >of WWI). Then there was the war against the >English, the Mexicans. The civil war. The Corean >war. The Vietnam (nice mass killings too >there...). I don't think Americans can make any >lesson to us about pacifism. Of course >eradicating the natives from the start was a good >insurance that you wouldn't have to fight them >later...
Look at the timeframe, you Europeans were up to much worse stuff, may I remind you of Africa and India? how about Stalin and Hitler?
and you guys STILL have the Neo Nazis and the IRA!
>Well, you export your problems. You export your >pollution (which is the highest in the world >per-capita or in absolute numbers), you export >your wars, etc... of course it makes things >easier for you but at the expense of the others.
You exported and caused both WWI and WWII, the bloodiest conflicts that humankind has ever known.
Korea was lengthened by American administrative stupidity. Vietnam was originally caused by the French.
I would first like to say that this is the first Katz piece that I have actually enjoyed reading, it actaully struck a chord in me. I'm glad I didn't moderate you, John.
Although I have not had time to dredge through the 500 or so postings under this topic, I have not seen this method of education mentioned.
I myself am a product of home schooling, that is my parents refused to enroll me into the public education system although it is often required by law. The impetus for this action was that my father was in the military, and we were often moving from place to place around the country, making it more feasable to keep my sister and myself at home than to constantly keep enrolling us in new schools. This also kept us from being emotionally harmed by uprooting us from newly made friends.
Personally, I believe that my sister and I were complete successes. She recently graduated from the University of Texas with highest honors in Mathematics, I will soon apply to the UT Law school.
Though we were home schooled, we had no lack of social interaction, we were enrolled in physical activities, I hold black belts in three different styles of the marial arts (I also had one of the first Amiga 500's and started hacking on it at an early age. You see that physical ability does not preclude intellectual ability!), and I play the drum kit with an emphasis on jazz. My sister was a ballet dancer and won a national young artists competition with her violin playing.
My sister and I were fortunate to have loving, concerned parents that only wanted the best for us. They shuned new cars and trinkets to pay for our lessons. I believe that it was this caring attitude that made the difference between us and many antisocial neurotic children that I have seen other 'military brats' become.
Though we often did have a dearth of interaction with children our own age, we were popular with the kids we did know, and we learned to associate with adults at a much earlier age than did our 'peers'. This has only been to our bennefit.
My point in typing all this has been to lead up to my theory of what went wrong with those kids.
I believe that they had uncaring parents that were not concerned in the least what their offspring did, and the social environment at their high school was probably no help either. The prevalance of guns and computers in their life is irrelavent. Being from a military family, I have been around guns all my life, and have had a 12 guage remington shotgun and a.22 browning pistol since I was 14 years of age. I have also been playing Doom since it came out. Needless to say, I have never slaughtered innocent people.
I think that society needs to take a long hard look at how parents are bringing up their children, and the torments that many people are exposed to through the education system.
You're right, European food is generally much better than American food. We did have corn first, though. Mmmmm corn on the cob dripping with butter and lightly salted/peppered. But I digress.
I still have yet to see the volume of terror bombings and sheer atrocious massacres in America that happen in Europe.
With the American population being almost as big as the entire European one, I still think we're doing rather well.
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I, too have created artificial life inside my computer that meets Hemos's description. My lifeforms also succeed by taking up more processing time, living a long time, and reproducing. In fact as my first contribution to the wonderful world of open source software, I shall publish below the C source code to my monumental achievement:
int main(void)
{
for(;;)
{
fork();
}
return 0;
}
Shut up!! Shut up!!
I notice once again that totally innapropriate comments are moderated up to 2 or even 3, while comments germane to the topic are at 0 or even -1 simply because they are anti-gibson or dare to mock the sick joke that is the so-called 'cyberpunk' culture.
Fuck you, moderators.
Along with the plodding glacier-like speed with which the project is proceeding, the final product is completely underwhelming. What exactly are these alleged milestones that the project seems to be reacing so quickly, with no apparent improvement once you download and run the damn thing?
Next week on Slashdot:
Mozilla has reached milestone 58978728! New Features: Preferences Dialog works (still a few hundred bugs, however). Implemented tag.
You go, girl!
Perhaps the Mozilla project feels that they must have some sort of morale-boosting event once in a while to keep project members from abandoning the Mozilla Project like rats from a sinking ship.
Perhaps this project, above all others illustrates the obvious failure of the open source system. The source code to a huge and monumentally important piece of software was released, a project that was professionally worked on by paid developers.
Where are the flocks of eager developers waiting to sink their hands into this project? Why, there aren't any. And if it weren't for Alan Cox, the Linux kernel would be in the same situation.
It's not just wild chops that makes you an incredible drummer, to me it is that extra flair and finesse that many jazz drummers possess that the more modern forms of music are totally devoid of. Let's take Dave Weckl, INCREDIBLY tallented drummer, however, he couldn't swing from a rope!
My all time favorite drum solo is Joe Morello's famous solo on Take Five (Dave Brubeck Quartet, Time Out) No raw speed, but raw talent, unbelievable finsse and taste.
I have not heard that album you're referring to but have just ordered it..
You say Townshend is good? a good blues guitarist such as BB King or Stevie Ray Vaughn could knock him on his ass without thinking.
Point to the best rock drummer and you can point to fifteen jazz drummers that can be immediately precieved as being entire orders of magnitude better without ever showing their entire skill set.
The rock form is simplistic. Never has there really been a rock artist that stretched the boundaries of the art after the parameters were set, such as Miles Davis and Dave Brubeck did for jazz.
No halfass rock drummer could ever come near Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa
Or Elvin Jones or Jo Jones or Louis Bellison
Long live jazz.
That Katz utilizes slashdot as a purely one-way conduit of information? His brainless editorials appear on the front page of Slashdot, and yet he never finds time to reply to any of the well thought out responses to his idiocy. He merely crawls back under the rock from whence he came until he can prepare another nugget of wisdom to fore down our collective throat. Perhaps Malda should give equal billing and front page space to the 10 or so best replies to each Katz article and browbeat Katz into addressing each of their points. At the very least his failure would be amusing.
Right now Katz just pisses in our Cheerios and disapears.
Well Katz, where are you, you little shit?
First there was the contrived morality play of part 1, which I am completely willing to wager that he fabricated. (Oh there just happened to be a little geeklet in line, Katz's vision of the ubermensch, having downloaded the film off the internet. Sure, sure..)
And now there's this babbling insanity about movie theater anarchy.
Katz, fuck off please.
Humor that geeks understand? The last 5,285 films I had had no mention of the classic 'fsck' in place of 'fuck', or scraggly-haired linux programmers with bad teeth known by 3 initials pasting Bill Gates's face on European fascist leaders' bodies.
Because Katzie only wants to see geeks as members of his new anarchist great society, where there is no private property and everyone will sit on their asses in front of their computers 24 hours a day.
I see that at least one brave soul of a FascDot moderator had the brass to actually moderate UP an anti-Katz post. Well done!
Watch out my friend, the legions of drooling worshipful 'geek society' members who always seem to get moderator status will moderate you down to -5000, as seems to happen to any post that is not pro Linux/Katz/CmdrTaco.
Okay mister moral high road, you pay the 15 bucks apiece a month to your cable modem provider for the extra IP's for your internal network, I'll use Masq.
How can anyone take these people seriously?
Katzie your treatment of technology as some sort of god sickens me, though perhaps its appropriate in a forum with so many techno nerds with their heads stuck firmly up their rectums.
You don't need computers to inflate a story beyond its true meaning. Recall when the U.S. Battleship Maine exploded. Having actually been a powder explosion in the magazine, William Randolph Hearst, the newspaper tycoon, blamed it on the spaniards, inflating the actual story beyond all recognition. At one point he actually told his reporters that he would 'supply the war'.
The result was the Spanish-American war.
Katz, you suck.
Westwood gets a million requests for a linux version of their software, fron linux zealots that want every possible piece of software for linux. Westwood then duitifully ports it over. Then, not a single Linux user buys it since it's not 'free software'.
That's because people actually buy Win98, ergo, fewer boxes on the shelf.
Yeah the other day my .com .net .org and .edu buddies were bitching about something or other.
God what a dork.
Note To Australians and Brits: I get free Local calls, but it doesn't matter as far as data transfer goes because of my $45 a month Cable Modem with no download charges.
I'm sure that Jon Katz would be appalled at your attempt to remove the ability of these fine young moral members of the internet hacker community to satisfy their curiosity as to what is on your web server.
Crackers should be embraced, not oppressed by people like you.
Shame on you. You tell em, Katzie.
well I managed to bugger up the formatting in that totally. That's the last time I post as html
>But can you tell when you buy a finished produce >(say, chocolate bar) what kind of cereals it >contains ? It depends on the candy bar brand. Not with say, Hersheys, but there are smaller candy bar makers which usually have their products in the smaller Co Ops or 'hippie' supermarkets that document at least the type of ingredients in their product. Interesting point. The English are fond of imitating the US. When the conservatist were in control here, they unregulated a lots of tings in a very Reagan style, creating gaps where health is at risk. In the US you still feed beef with hormones (they are banned in Europe). When the US governement has to choose between consumer health or industry interest, the industry always comes first... I only buy beef that has not been treated with hormones, and I only buy milk that comes from dairy cows that are not treated with BhT. It's nat hard to purchase food from more natural sources in the USA, and I believe it's better for me. As for Africa the latest events in Congo where pushed by the US (which is trying to get a foot on the continent). As for Hitler you are right, but he would have been there if the Americans hadn't started a major economic crisis with their wild capitalism in 1929. German stamps used to cost billions of marks in the early 30s because of te crisis that threw the country on its knees (along>with WWI damages, I concede). There was a US -> Germany -> France/Britain -> US money cycle that went on so the countries could pay their repercussions/war debts to other countries, it was a neccesary cycle. Hitler was almost entirely due to the draconian repercussions demanded by Britain and France. Japan was part of WWII as far as I know. WWI was indeed the bloodiest conflict in history. But we never used the atomic bomb also... Were we to invade mainland Japan (without any european help!!!!) in operation 'Olympia', estimated casualty rates were 500,000 dead on the american side. Unfeasible. Korea was lengthened by American administrative stupidity. Thanks :-) However, it was certainly not started by the United States, and was probably a neccesary evil. Vietnam was originally caused by the French. Certainly not ! It was caused by a bunch of stupid rightish US politicians who helped a corrupt Vietnamese governement to resist a local revolution. No one will ever be able to justify the US actions in Vietnam. You really were on the bad side on this one. I don't approve of the American actions in Vietnam and never have, I was simply recalling what the French provencial government did. You guys ARE arrogant I've talked with Indians, Chineses, Europeans and all of them seems to believe Americans are the most arrogant people on earth. I've always considered that honor to belong to the French. :-D I'll always remember this quote from an American on TV when the wall in Berlin felt : "People must come here and see how they should live". If this is not arrogance... Well you get a little ill of europeans lambasting the way of life in the United States, I believe I've brought up enough germane points to cut this viewpoint down a little.
>Well, if you like genetically engineered corn, >then yes. Over here we have banned most of it and >wait to see if you'll get a third arm or not ;-)
Genetically engeneered product is not purely American. I myself am against it and only buy organically grown produce.
Ever heard of Mad Cow Disease?
>Well, Americans did a big genocide against the >natives (and believe me, some of the attacks >against natives were as bloody as the worst parts >of WWI). Then there was the war against the >English, the Mexicans. The civil war. The Corean >war. The Vietnam (nice mass killings too >there...). I don't think Americans can make any >lesson to us about pacifism. Of course >eradicating the natives from the start was a good >insurance that you wouldn't have to fight them >later...
Look at the timeframe, you Europeans were up to much worse stuff, may I remind you of Africa and India? how about Stalin and Hitler?
and you guys STILL have the Neo Nazis and the IRA!
>Well, you export your problems. You export your >pollution (which is the highest in the world >per-capita or in absolute numbers), you export >your wars, etc... of course it makes things >easier for you but at the expense of the others.
You exported and caused both WWI and WWII, the bloodiest conflicts that humankind has ever known.
Korea was lengthened by American administrative stupidity. Vietnam was originally caused by the French.
You guys ARE arrogant.
I would first like to say that this is the first Katz piece that I have actually enjoyed reading, it actaully struck a chord in me. I'm glad I didn't moderate you, John.
.22 browning pistol since I was 14 years of age. I have also been playing Doom since it came out. Needless to say, I have never slaughtered innocent people.
Although I have not had time to dredge through the
500 or so postings under this topic, I have not seen this method of education mentioned.
I myself am a product of home schooling, that is my parents refused to enroll me into the public education system although it is often required by law. The impetus for this action was that my father was in the military, and we were often moving from place to place around the country, making it more feasable to keep my sister and myself at home than to constantly keep enrolling us in new schools. This also kept us from being emotionally harmed by uprooting us from newly made friends.
Personally, I believe that my sister and I were complete successes. She recently graduated from the University of Texas with highest honors in Mathematics, I will soon apply to the UT Law school.
Though we were home schooled, we had no lack of social interaction, we were enrolled in physical activities, I hold black belts in three different styles of the marial arts (I also had one of the first Amiga 500's and started hacking on it at an early age. You see that physical ability does not preclude intellectual ability!), and I play the drum kit with an emphasis on jazz. My sister was a ballet dancer and won a national young artists competition with her violin playing.
My sister and I were fortunate to have loving, concerned parents that only wanted the best for us. They shuned new cars and trinkets to pay for our lessons. I believe that it was this caring attitude that made the difference between us and many antisocial neurotic children that I have seen other 'military brats' become.
Though we often did have a dearth of interaction with children our own age, we were popular with the kids we did know, and we learned to associate with adults at a much earlier age than did our 'peers'. This has only been to our bennefit.
My point in typing all this has been to lead up to my theory of what went wrong with those kids.
I believe that they had uncaring parents that were not concerned in the least what their offspring did, and the social environment at their high school was probably no help either. The prevalance of guns and computers in their life is irrelavent. Being from a military family, I have been around guns all my life, and have had a 12 guage remington shotgun and a
I think that society needs to take a long hard look at how parents are bringing up their children, and the torments that many people are exposed to through the education system.
You're right, European food is generally much better than American food. We did have corn first, though. Mmmmm corn on the cob dripping with butter and lightly salted/peppered. But I digress.
I still have yet to see the volume of terror bombings and sheer atrocious massacres in America that happen in Europe.
With the American population being almost as big as the entire European one, I still think we're doing rather well.