Yep, so far 20.21 seems to be consistent under all the different conditions I've tested. Maybe these are "bogo-bogomips."
(Further OT: before you replied to my comment above, I thought it had disappeared, so I re-posted it below. I guess it just got moderated below my threshold. I should remember that next time before double-posting.)
Final note: I just tested "Chromium 11.0.696.57 (82915) Ubuntu 11.04" with its V8 JavaScript engine.
Fabrice Bellard says that "the PC emulator is about 2 times slower using V8 [Chrome] than Jaeger Monkey [Firefox]", but that doesn't affect the output of "cat/proc/cpu" which remains rock steady at 20.21 bogomips.
"Netscape originally invented a simple scripting language called LiveScript, which was to be a proprietary add-on to HTML. When Sun's new language Java became unexpectedly popular, Netscape was quick to jump on the Java bandwagon, and re-christened their scripting language JavaScript. Outside of the first four letters, there are almost no other similarities between the two."
~ # cat/proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 5 model : 4 model name : Pentium MMX stepping : 3 cache size : 0 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : yes coma_bug : no fpu : no fpu_exception : no cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : bogomips : 20.21 clflush size : 32
This is Firefox 4.0.1 running under Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" on the same HP G72-B66US notebook with 4GB RAM. Still clocking in at 20.21 bogomips.
P.S. Downloading Fedora 15 iso as we speak. Nothing wrong with giving the LiveCD a whirl, though I was leaning toward switching to another apt-based distro, possibly Knoppix. The Knoppix LiveCD always performs well for me across a wide range of hardware, and it's based on KDE, so it might be a good place to hide from all this GNOME 3 and Unity hullaballoo until the dust settles.
~ # cat/proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 5 model : 4 model name : Pentium MMX stepping : 3 cache size : 0 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : yes coma_bug : no fpu : no fpu_exception : no cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : bogomips : 20.21 clflush size : 32
This is from Firefox 4.01 on the same HP G72-B66US notebook with 4GB RAM, running Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal. Still clocking 20.21 bogomips.
P.S.: Don't want to get too far off-topic, but I'm downloading a Fedora 15 ISO in the background. Nothing wrong with giving the LiveCD a whirl, though I'm leaning toward sticking with a Debian-based distribution, possibly Knoppix. The Knoppix LiveCD always performs well for me across a wide range of hardware, and it's based on KDE, so it effectively sidesteps all this GNOME Shell / Unity brouhaha. Unlike the standard Ubuntu install (I haven't tried Kubuntu, but I have booted into KDE Plasma to escape from Unity) it is tuned from tip to toe for KDE, so there aren't so many "You were, perhaps, expecting GNOME? Gotcha!" moments with Knoppix. Any software I miss should be just an "apt-cache search" and an "apt-get install" away. (I know, Fedora has good old "yum" -- but after doing some time as an Oracle DBA, I am left with a residual allergy to RPM packages.)
Firefox 4 on an HP laptop running 64-bit Windows 7. Oh crap... if I thought my Linux geek credibility was deflated when I posted a comment from my iPhone earlier, it's totally shot to hell now. (It's a dual-boot system, I swear! I just got sick of dealing with the Unity desktop in Ubuntu 11.04! And the iPhone is jailbroken! Please, hammer, don't hurt me!)
~ # echo $PATH /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin ~ # ls -a . .. .ash_history hello.c ~ # cat.ash_history cat/proc/meminfo cat/proc/cpuinfo top echo $PATH ls -a cat.ash_history ~ # cat hello.c /* This C source can be compiled with: tcc -o hello hello.c */ #include <tcclib.h>
int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf("Hello World\n"); return 0; } ~ # tcc -o hello hello.c ~ # ls -l total 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1908 May 17 07:01 hello -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 166 May 15 22:15 hello.c ~ #./hello Hello World
It figures... Just my luck that this would happen to be the first/. story I've ever tried to read on this effin’ proprietary phone. There goes my last remaining shred of pretension to Linux elitism. Oh well, at least I can post a comment confirming that it didn't work for me either. I didn't try Mobile Safari -- my browser du jour goes by the smugly self-satisfied name of "Perfect Browser." (Well, no... but it's okay, I guess.)
As a writer and a graphic designer, I'd have to agree with this. Free Software is great for editing text... newbies can use AbiWord or KWord, and for those who can climb the learning curve, there's always vi and emacs.
Web design is there too, with web development environments like BlueFish and Quanta Plus. They might not be as whizzy and wiggy as WYSIWIG editors like DreamWeaver, but any web designer knows that what you see in a WYSIWIG ain't necessarily what you'll get, depending on the screen resolution, what browser you're using, etc. And for the hard core, there's nothing wrong with writing HTML in vi or emacs... after all, it's just text!
As far as the creation of graphic elements for the web, I think the GIMP is equal (and in some ways superior) to Photoshop in this arena. What the GIMP still lacks is support for professional print production (for example, PANTONE color is proprietary, so the GIMP doesn't have much of a future in the magazine publishing industry.)
What GNU/Linux really needs is a good desktop publishing app like QuarkXPress or PageMaker, and maybe once these apps are ported to Mac OS X it won't be such a stretch to get them the rest of the way from a BSD kernel to a Linux kernel. In the meantime, I'm keeping an eye on some of the vector-based graphics apps like XFig and Sketch, but they have a long way to go before they catch up with Illustrator.
I use Linux for everything these days, except graphic design. For page layout, I'll go running back to Quark on a Mac (or even Windoze) every time.
"War Driving" (see this link for the article that brought the story to my attention) is something of a security scandal, sure. But it fits in well with a vision of wireless community networking. 802.11b networks are not good for secure wireless access, but great for wireless community access. The way I understand it is that adjacent transmitters (including PCMCIA cards in laptops) will propagate the network, so if all my neighbors have it, we can all share bandwidth.
802.11b is what a lot of folks are using for community wireless projects. See
this link for an article with a decidedly different perspective on these networks. I really like Clay Shirky's comment:
"In New York, we have laws that give zoning variances for skyscrapers
in return for creating public spaces. These public spaces could
easily include 802.11b networks."
Lessig makes it very clear near the beginning of "Code..." that the freedom and anonymity we all remember from the Net circa '95 is evaporating quickly, as the Net changes to facilitate identity authentication to enable commerce. Net libertarians who believe that the Net is innately unregulable are wrong: the regulability of the Net is tied to its architecture (not only at the basic level of TCP/IP but at the application level) and this architecture is changing rapidly. Who is calling the shots here? Big Business, in the Bugs Bunny mask of AOL/Time/Warner/M$/etc.
The knee-jerk response that says Big Government should not interfere with the architecture of cyberspace opens the door for the "market populism" of Big Business -- the notion that markets are, in some transcendent way, identifiable with democracy and the will of the people.
Lessig argues that behavior (both in the real world and in cyberspace) is regulated by four constraints, which he identifies as Norms, Law, Markets, and Architecture. Since the "Bill of Rights" of cyberspace is entirely defined by its architecture, which is nothing more than code, the question is, who gets to define that code?
Keep in mind that the vast majority of Net users are browsing the web with either Internet Explorer (M$), Netscape (AOL owns it), or AOL's crummy browser. These browsers are evolving rapidly to facilitate identity authentication for commerce, and in the process eroding the cherished anonymity of the browsing experience. These folks have no idea how much information about their browsing habits is being funnelled to the Spam Pyramids.
So, should government step in to limit the power of business to run roughshod over our rights to free speech and privacy?
This is my first/. post, but I had to answer the only post on this topic that's not mired in potty humor. Thanks, Anne Marie, for at least addressing the topic.
I'm not surprised that some folks think Lessig is anti-freedom, but I've been reading his book and I think that he's just a pessimist. He is concerned about issues like privacy and free speech on the net, and he wants lawyers and governments to get involved in legislating the architecture of cyberspace because if they do not do so, the private sector will.
Digital certificates, identity authentication and content filtering are not just the future of the net, they are happening today. Lessig recognizes the trends that are developing and points out the threats to civil liberties in cyberspace. He would like to see law step in to regulate the architecture of cyberspace before the market does so to the detriment of everybody except for multinational corporations.
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Yep, so far 20.21 seems to be consistent under all the different conditions I've tested. Maybe these are "bogo-bogomips."
(Further OT: before you replied to my comment above, I thought it had disappeared, so I re-posted it below. I guess it just got moderated below my threshold. I should remember that next time before double-posting.)
Final note: I just tested "Chromium 11.0.696.57 (82915) Ubuntu 11.04" with its V8 JavaScript engine.
/proc/cpu" which remains rock steady at 20.21 bogomips.
Fabrice Bellard says that "the PC emulator is about 2 times slower using V8 [Chrome] than Jaeger Monkey [Firefox]", but that doesn't affect the output of "cat
You're wrong.
The code is written in pure JavaScript. So it's not a Java applet.
Don't feel too bad, though: It's a common error.
You're comparing "applets" and oranges.
~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5
model : 4
model name : Pentium MMX
stepping : 3
cache size : 0 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : yes
coma_bug : no
fpu : no
fpu_exception : no
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags :
bogomips : 20.21
clflush size : 32
This is Firefox 4.0.1 running under Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" on the same HP G72-B66US notebook with 4GB RAM. Still clocking in at 20.21 bogomips.
P.S. Downloading Fedora 15 iso as we speak. Nothing wrong with giving the LiveCD a whirl, though I was leaning toward switching to another apt-based distro, possibly Knoppix. The Knoppix LiveCD always performs well for me across a wide range of hardware, and it's based on KDE, so it might be a good place to hide from all this GNOME 3 and Unity hullaballoo until the dust settles.
guys, guys... it's Java remember.
Just increase the applet memory.
(Correct me if I'm wrong though: I'm curious too!)
You're wrong.
According to http://bellard.org/jslinux/tech.html:
So, it's not a Java applet. It's JavaScript.
You're comparing applets and oranges.
~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5
model : 4
model name : Pentium MMX
stepping : 3
cache size : 0 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : yes
coma_bug : no
fpu : no
fpu_exception : no
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags :
bogomips : 20.21
clflush size : 32
This is from Firefox 4.01 on the same HP G72-B66US notebook with 4GB RAM, running Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal. Still clocking 20.21 bogomips.
P.S.: Don't want to get too far off-topic, but I'm downloading a Fedora 15 ISO in the background. Nothing wrong with giving the LiveCD a whirl, though I'm leaning toward sticking with a Debian-based distribution, possibly Knoppix. The Knoppix LiveCD always performs well for me across a wide range of hardware, and it's based on KDE, so it effectively sidesteps all this GNOME Shell / Unity brouhaha. Unlike the standard Ubuntu install (I haven't tried Kubuntu, but I have booted into KDE Plasma to escape from Unity) it is tuned from tip to toe for KDE, so there aren't so many "You were, perhaps, expecting GNOME? Gotcha!" moments with Knoppix. Any software I miss should be just an "apt-cache search" and an "apt-get install" away. (I know, Fedora has good old "yum" -- but after doing some time as an Oracle DBA, I am left with a residual allergy to RPM packages.)
Firefox 4 on an HP laptop running 64-bit Windows 7. Oh crap ... if I thought my Linux geek credibility was deflated when I posted a comment from my iPhone earlier, it's totally shot to hell now. (It's a dual-boot system, I swear! I just got sick of dealing with the Unity desktop in Ubuntu 11.04! And the iPhone is jailbroken! Please, hammer, don't hurt me!)
~ # echo $PATH .ash_history hello.c .ash_history /proc/meminfo /proc/cpuinfo .ash_history
./hello
/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
~ # ls -a
. ..
~ # cat
cat
cat
top
echo $PATH
ls -a
cat
~ # cat hello.c
/* This C source can be compiled with:
tcc -o hello hello.c
*/
#include <tcclib.h>
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
printf("Hello World\n");
return 0;
}
~ # tcc -o hello hello.c
~ # ls -l
total 4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1908 May 17 07:01 hello
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 166 May 15 22:15 hello.c
~ #
Hello World
Let's see what this baby has under the hood:
/proc/cpuinfo :
/proc/meminfo
/bin/sh /sbin/init
~ # cat
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 5
model : 4
model name : Pentium MMX
stepping : 3
cache size : 0 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : yes
coma_bug : no
fpu : no
fpu_exception : no
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags
bogomips : 20.21
clflush size : 32
~ # cat
MemTotal: 30448 kB
MemFree: 26960 kB
Buffers: 2048 kB
Cached: 456 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 2636 kB
Inactive: 64 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Dirty: 8 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 212 kB
Mapped: 324 kB
Slab: 700 kB
SReclaimable: 96 kB
SUnreclaim: 604 kB
PageTables: 36 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 15224 kB
Committed_AS: 456 kB
VmallocTotal: 1007592 kB
VmallocUsed: 0 kB
VmallocChunk: 1007592 kB
HugePages_Total: 0
HugePages_Free: 0
HugePages_Rsvd: 0
Hugepagesize: 4096 kB
~ # top
Mem: 3472K used, 26976K free, 0K shrd, 2048K buff, 472K cached
CPU: 0.5% usr 0.3% sys 0.0% nic 87.2% idle 0.0% io 6.2% irq 5.5% sirq
Load average: 0.08 0.04 0.01 1/12 78
PID PPID USER STAT VSZ %MEM CPU %CPU COMMAND
78 75 root R 1136 3.7 0 12.7 top
75 1 root S 1156 3.8 0 0.0 sh
1 0 root S 1136 3.7 0 0.0
3 1 root SW< 0 0.0 0 0.0 [events/0]
4 1 root SW< 0 0.0 0 0.0 [khelper]
2 1 root SWN 0 0.0 0 0.0 [ksoftirqd/0]
5 1 root SW< 0 0.0 0 0.0 [kthread]
16 5 root SW< 0 0.0 0 0.0 [kblockd/0]
34 5 root SW< 0 0.0 0 0.0 [kswapd0]
35 5 root SW< 0 0.0
It figures ... Just my luck that this would happen to be the first /. story I've ever tried to read on this effin’ proprietary phone. There goes my last remaining shred of pretension to Linux elitism. Oh well, at least I can post a comment confirming that it didn't work for me either. I didn't try Mobile Safari -- my browser du jour goes by the smugly self-satisfied name of "Perfect Browser." (Well, no ... but it's okay, I guess.)
Web design is there too, with web development environments like BlueFish and Quanta Plus. They might not be as whizzy and wiggy as WYSIWIG editors like DreamWeaver, but any web designer knows that what you see in a WYSIWIG ain't necessarily what you'll get, depending on the screen resolution, what browser you're using, etc. And for the hard core, there's nothing wrong with writing HTML in vi or emacs ... after all, it's just text!
As far as the creation of graphic elements for the web, I think the GIMP is equal (and in some ways superior) to Photoshop in this arena. What the GIMP still lacks is support for professional print production (for example, PANTONE color is proprietary, so the GIMP doesn't have much of a future in the magazine publishing industry.)
What GNU/Linux really needs is a good desktop publishing app like QuarkXPress or PageMaker, and maybe once these apps are ported to Mac OS X it won't be such a stretch to get them the rest of the way from a BSD kernel to a Linux kernel. In the meantime, I'm keeping an eye on some of the vector-based graphics apps like XFig and Sketch, but they have a long way to go before they catch up with Illustrator.
I use Linux for everything these days, except graphic design. For page layout, I'll go running back to Quark on a Mac (or even Windoze) every time.
802.11b is what a lot of folks are using for community wireless projects. See this link for an article with a decidedly different perspective on these networks. I really like Clay Shirky's comment:
But then again, who really knows whether 8kg of antimatter would nullify 8kg of matter? It's all speculation, and in the end it doesn't "matter."
Exactly.
Lessig makes it very clear near the beginning of "Code ..." that the freedom and anonymity we all remember from the Net circa '95 is evaporating quickly, as the Net changes to facilitate identity authentication to enable commerce. Net libertarians who believe that the Net is innately unregulable are wrong: the regulability of the Net is tied to its architecture (not only at the basic level of TCP/IP but at the application level) and this architecture is changing rapidly. Who is calling the shots here? Big Business, in the Bugs Bunny mask of AOL/Time/Warner/M$/etc.
The knee-jerk response that says Big Government should not interfere with the architecture of cyberspace opens the door for the "market populism" of Big Business -- the notion that markets are, in some transcendent way, identifiable with democracy and the will of the people.
Lessig argues that behavior (both in the real world and in cyberspace) is regulated by four constraints, which he identifies as Norms, Law, Markets, and Architecture. Since the "Bill of Rights" of cyberspace is entirely defined by its architecture, which is nothing more than code, the question is, who gets to define that code?
Keep in mind that the vast majority of Net users are browsing the web with either Internet Explorer (M$), Netscape (AOL owns it), or AOL's crummy browser. These browsers are evolving rapidly to facilitate identity authentication for commerce, and in the process eroding the cherished anonymity of the browsing experience. These folks have no idea how much information about their browsing habits is being funnelled to the Spam Pyramids.
So, should government step in to limit the power of business to run roughshod over our rights to free speech and privacy?
This is my first /. post, but I had to answer the only post on this topic that's not mired in potty humor. Thanks, Anne Marie, for at least addressing the topic.
I'm not surprised that some folks think Lessig is anti-freedom, but I've been reading his book and I think that he's just a pessimist. He is concerned about issues like privacy and free speech on the net, and he wants lawyers and governments to get involved in legislating the architecture of cyberspace because if they do not do so, the private sector will.
Digital certificates, identity authentication and content filtering are not just the future of the net, they are happening today. Lessig recognizes the trends that are developing and points out the threats to civil liberties in cyberspace. He would like to see law step in to regulate the architecture of cyberspace before the market does so to the detriment of everybody except for multinational corporations.