"Correction: it's an illegal copy for those with no playstation games, and it's a backup copy for those who already have a legit boot code somewhere else. "
Exactly! There don't seem to be many here on slashdot who have heard of fair use or read the laws. If your motivation isn't to steal something it isn't illegal.
"A more important question is: Why is it illegal to modify something that you legally own?
What is the difference if I paint it green, attach racing stripes to it, or chip it?
I realise that pirated games are illegal. That is not the point, I'm afraid... "
I have good news for you my friend. It isn't illegal of your intension aren't to steal something! This is the case in every developed country when it comes to copyright. If your intensions aren't to steal it falls under fair use.
"bizare laws, passed by the lobbying efforts of huge corporations. The laws are wrong."
What is the matter with you people? The laws only apply if you steal, do you know of any civilized country where someone is convicted without a criminal intension when it comes to IP? Have you ever heard of anyone forced to stand trial for copying something that he owns an original of? I can tell you right away that none will be convicted for modding their PS if they do it for some other reason than to steal something. Witch content-provider would be interested in such a thing? Witch judge would do such a thing? They are not dumbasses you know.
"I disagree. The problem with making ROM'ing illegal is that it makes illegal more than simply the piracy itself, because lawmakers are working on the same flawed assumption you are. There are aspects of ROM'ing that are both legitimate and legal. One of my friends is really into playing import games. Nothing wrong with that. He pays for the games and then he plays them. I guess he gets a kick out of bad translations. Anyway, to do this, from what I understand, he has to modify his playstation. I don't know technically if he needs to use a ROM chip. Either way, he needs to make modifications to his playstation that aren't going to hold up in court under this law, as I understand it. And that's what the problem is. "
I can enlighten you right away that if he HAS bought the game and just chip the machine for some other purpose than to steal no judge in the world would convict him of anything. And no content-provider would be interested in doing so either.
The laws (chipping and copying) are there to make sure the content-providers are paid for their work and nothing else.
When everyone copies the software instead of buying it (you are of cause not forced to buy it but don't use it then) all the development costs are lost and there is no income to make up for it.
If there is 100 individuals who likes to game and think it's worth $50 the income is 100*$50=$5000. If these people can just copy it instead maybe 5 stills buys it because they pay for other peoples work but 95 don't. Now we have 5*$50=$250 income. Still think we haven't lost anything prick?
"That's not true at all! Because software costs nothing to replicate. "
Here we go again...
It is the lower sales followed after the copying that costs you dumbass! Sure, everyone who copies software wouldn't buy it if they haven't copy it but when pirating goes up, sales goes down. That is a FACT my friend!
You aren't forced to pay for my work, that's right. But then you have no right to use it either you criminal prick! Don't you think I have a family to support to? Do you think you have a moral right to play with my and others life's?
Are you people aware of the fact that proprietary (including IP) IS a basic human right that IS included in the united nations declaration of human right?
Trolltech has shown that it can be commercial viable to support to Linux platform (all credits to them). It's just the RMS hippie that thinks making a living is a bad thing.
"Software as a "product" instead of a service, and "intellectual property" as an artificial monopoly on standards, and media "content" as "property" instead of public information, are all dead. All killed by "juveniles," no less. You are dead too, although you don't seem to know it yet."
"The programmers in the next generation who need access to existing code if they're going to learn. "
There will not be programmers in the next generation. If no one is paying for software (don't give me the service and support bull!) no one will be able to do it.
Do you call a taxidriver greedy when he charges you?
Hahaha... What the hell is this supposed to be? This must be one of the most stupid rants I have ever seen here on slashdot. How on earth can this be rated 5?
What this really is all about people from getting ripped of. Most people don't steal cars, stereos etc but on the net when no one sees them everything that can be stolen are, for example music, movies and software.
All music that its author wants to distribute for free doesn't have the protection. Everything you do yourself is not a problem, also not protected.
This doesn't harm your rights in any way.
All it does is ensuring that people who want to get paid for their job gets so if you want their products. You are not forced to pay for something you don't want. This is a very fair deal!
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"Correction: it's an illegal copy for those with no playstation games, and it's a backup copy for those who already have a legit boot code somewhere else. "
Exactly! There don't seem to be many here on slashdot who have heard of fair use or read the laws. If your motivation isn't to steal something it isn't illegal.
"A more important question is: Why is it illegal to modify something that you legally own? What is the difference if I paint it green, attach racing stripes to it, or chip it? I realise that pirated games are illegal. That is not the point, I'm afraid... " I have good news for you my friend. It isn't illegal of your intension aren't to steal something! This is the case in every developed country when it comes to copyright. If your intensions aren't to steal it falls under fair use.
"bizare laws, passed by the lobbying efforts of huge corporations. The laws are wrong."
What is the matter with you people? The laws only apply if you steal, do you know of any civilized country where someone is convicted without a criminal intension when it comes to IP? Have you ever heard of anyone forced to stand trial for copying something that he owns an original of? I can tell you right away that none will be convicted for modding their PS if they do it for some other reason than to steal something. Witch content-provider would be interested in such a thing? Witch judge would do such a thing? They are not dumbasses you know.
"I disagree. The problem with making ROM'ing illegal is that it makes illegal more than simply the piracy itself, because lawmakers are working on the same flawed assumption you are. There are aspects of ROM'ing that are both legitimate and legal. One of my friends is really into playing import games. Nothing wrong with that. He pays for the games and then he plays them. I guess he gets a kick out of bad translations. Anyway, to do this, from what I understand, he has to modify his playstation. I don't know technically if he needs to use a ROM chip. Either way, he needs to make modifications to his playstation that aren't going to hold up in court under this law, as I understand it. And that's what the problem is. "
I can enlighten you right away that if he HAS bought the game and just chip the machine for some other purpose than to steal no judge in the world would convict him of anything. And no content-provider would be interested in doing so either.
The laws (chipping and copying) are there to make sure the content-providers are paid for their work and nothing else.
Are you stupid?
When everyone copies the software instead of buying it (you are of cause not forced to buy it but don't use it then) all the development costs are lost and there is no income to make up for it.
If there is 100 individuals who likes to game and think it's worth $50 the income is 100*$50=$5000. If these people can just copy it instead maybe 5 stills buys it because they pay for other peoples work but 95 don't. Now we have 5*$50=$250 income. Still think we haven't lost anything prick?
"That's not true at all! Because software costs nothing to replicate. "
Here we go again...
It is the lower sales followed after the copying that costs you dumbass! Sure, everyone who copies software wouldn't buy it if they haven't copy it but when pirating goes up, sales goes down. That is a FACT my friend!
You aren't forced to pay for my work, that's right. But then you have no right to use it either you criminal prick! Don't you think I have a family to support to? Do you think you have a moral right to play with my and others life's?
"He is not a communist.
He does not hate corporations.
He does not want to steal your property. "
Sure...
Are you people aware of the fact that proprietary (including IP) IS a basic human right that IS included in the united nations declaration of human right?
Redhat just sells what others have made for them for free.
Personally I think that is highly unethical!
If companies in the traditional industry use free labour (even if it's voluntarily) they would be hanged in their balls, that's for sure.
Stallman certainly wants to force people into it. He had said he want to ban propertary software.
The whole ideology aims at removing ownership, this is what communism is all about so yes, and it's a communist-influenced ideology.
What the hell is the matter with you people?
Trolltech has shown that it can be commercial viable to support to Linux platform (all credits to them). It's just the RMS hippie that thinks making a living is a bad thing.
"Software as a "product" instead of a service, and "intellectual property" as an artificial monopoly on standards, and media "content" as "property" instead of public information, are all dead. All killed by "juveniles," no less. You are dead too, although you don't seem to know it yet."
Are you dumb?
"The programmers in the next generation who need access to existing code if they're going to learn. "
There will not be programmers in the next generation. If no one is paying for software (don't give me the service and support bull!) no one will be able to do it.
Do you call a taxidriver greedy when he charges you?
Hahaha... What the hell is this supposed to be? This must be one of the most stupid rants I have ever seen here on slashdot. How on earth can this be rated 5?
What this really is all about people from getting ripped of. Most people don't steal cars, stereos etc but on the net when no one sees them everything that can be stolen are, for example music, movies and software.
Your paranoia can't be healthy, see a doctor!
What's the problem here?
All music that its author wants to distribute for free doesn't have the protection. Everything you do yourself is not a problem, also not protected.
This doesn't harm your rights in any way.
All it does is ensuring that people who want to get paid for their job gets so if you want their products. You are not forced to pay for something you don't want. This is a very fair deal!
Where is the problem????