I'm stuck with my Pentium 200 for now because college has drained me, and I'm having tons of trouble finding a job because of the economy. Sucks to be me.
<unprovable, flame-batish observation>
WinNT runs fairly well on my machine, even with 64 MB or RAM. X runs slower, even when its just running WindowMaker. Personally, I think whatever the Linux and X interface is, it needs lots more work.
</unprovable, flame-batish observation>
I kind of do that now - I have two version of my resume. One version is for the biotech companies, listing my experiences in both. The other version mentions that I got both degrees, but places a lot more emphasis on my computer science side. I give each company a resume which ever is more appropriate for it.
I'll keep your comments in mind, though. Thanks much for the reply. --------------------------
Same here...I'm a bit different in the sense that I've got Bachelors in both Computer Science and Biology a couple months ago, but it seems as if no one is hiring.
I've tried several IS/IT firms, and I always get no reply from them. Bioinformatics firms are looking for MS/PhD people, not entry level programmers. I've still got more connections I can try using, but damnit, this is getting depressing.
Anyone have a job or words of advice for a green college kid?:-)
If they have a few more of these guys in their ranks, they're going to be able to do more damage to the Linux "PR" than I'd expected.
My impression of people who work at MS is that the its the Marketing/Salespeople are just that - your standard Marketdroids, spewing forth crap.
The people that do development at MS are incredibly bright and hard working. The ensuing fight between Linux and MS will definately be interesting... --------------------------
This will never happen and the design reasons why it shouldn't are sound. Why people don't look at Windows and just admit that it is an object lesson of why it shouldn't be done boggles me.
Windows does offer some graphical speed improvement as a result of it, though. I can't offer you hard numbers, and perhaps it is a placebo effect, but my Matrox G200 does perform better under Win98 than Linux/XFree4. I run a fairly fast window manager (wmaker) under Linux, so I don't think its attributable to wasted eye candy. If you know of some tests to run each OS, I'd be happy to run them - I'd be happy to know I was wrong;-)
But anyways, if there is a potential for improvement, why not take it? As long as the implementation is thorougly tested and debugged, I can't imagine any problems. Both WinNT and Win2k in my experience have been fantastic with not crashing, and they've got this "flaw in design".
Already done. If you want a nice splashscreen while the system boots up and not see all that boot information you can.
You don't understand - not just what they kernel spews out, but the distribution as a whole. Does Joe Blow care about GTK errors? All of the stuff X dumps as it starts up? MacOS is wonderful in the regard that it takes all the complexity of the system, and buries most of it. Yes, that's quite possible with >/dev/null, but an effort should be made to make all the extraneous output that is off by default.
The fact that you can run linux in everything from a wristwatch to a supercomputer is a testament to its design. Not a flaw.
Debatable. I'd rather have a well refined tool for a specific task, not a cure-all kernel.
Oh, and a true desktop is a thought out and planned set of layered services running atop a kernel.
Yes, but we differ in what we think a kernel should consist of, and my feeling is that a kernel for a user should be fairly different than a kernel for a Cray. The Cray is doing serious number crunching. Asthetics are at best a secondary concern. This is what Unix was after orginally, completing jobs.
A desktop OS is a far more amorphous problem - the focus should be on letting the user get what tasks they need to get done, with the minimum amount of worrying what is under the hood.
I guess I have a unique perspective on this - I work with people who need computers, but are easily confused by what we understand. They don't understand a driver conflict, all they know is that "the Internet is broken."
Desktop OSes should protect the user from the computer. Your average user doesn't care about what most of Linux does, or what it can run on - they just want to write a paper, or check their email.
Wow...I just posted something similar in the Linux 2.5.x thread, but whatever;-)
Unix (in any flavor) is a server. I consider Linux as much as a server as *BSD.
Desktop OSes, however (I'm thinking BeOS, MacOS, WinNT) don't have the same layering scheme as *nix "desktops." The operating system is the graphical environment, something which *nix differentiates into an application.
Good to hear that FreeBSD runs things as well as Linux, though...I'll have to give it a try sometime...
(As a random, only sorta offtopic note, how well does FreeBSD run on 486's w/ 20 MB ram? I'm running Linux 2.2 on one right now, and apache is dog slow) --------------------------
Should Linux really become a desktop OS, though? Unlike some of the other posters above, I think there are somethings one could do, such as:
Provide stronger multimedia support
Bring a graphical interface into kernel land
Hide all of the system nastiness (do I really care how many bogoMIPS I have?)
Basically, change Linux from Unix clone to something more along the lines of BeOS, MacOS, or WinNT (but done right, of course;-) ).
I don't think that is what Linus wants, though - if he did, I don't think he'd care about getting Linux to run on all that heavy iron.
IMHO, all the DE's we have right now are just big hacks...yes, Gnome and KDE are rather sophisticated hacks, but a "true" desktop isn't layer after layer of services running on a kernel, its a more thought out and planned OS. You make sacrifices - you might only go down to one widget set, one way of doing audio, etc.
Unix is great - as a server. For a hacker desktop, it definately is pretty nice. But we're leaving out 85% of humanity by making just us coders happy;-) --------------------------
By scaring people now, corporations will buy licenses. They will continue buying MS to stay legal. This will force home users to also buy the latest software, as the corporations are distributing everything using MS Word 2004 Shiney Professional with Sprinkle Power.
The question will become, how fast will people be able crack the activation scheme? --------------------------
AOL isn't my employer, but can they read my email? I'm using their services, and if I'm reading this right, they are w/in their right to read this...(I know they are technically capable of reading it anytime, but legally?) --------------------------
Would this be a case for having the kernel on CVS? One could easily browse the changelog...
And why does Linus not use CVS? If the entire "more eyes, less bugs" theory holds true, Linux should improve even faster if the most bleeding edge code is seen... --------------------------
I've got 2.4.0 running just fine on my x86...is there anything that is signficantly better about 2.4.3? I've been taking "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude lately... --------------------------
Microsoft is doing what Microsoft does best. Ensuring its survival by taking advantage of the market. Linux is a hot topic now, so they "support" Linux.
I don't doubt MS will push Windows[2k|XP] throughout all of this, and MSs market will only diminish slightly, if at all. --------------------------
For anyone else looking at kUML, I took a quick at their site, but I'm guessing its not under active development any more...its been about 5 months since their last site update...
Thanks for the suggestion, though... --------------------------
[Warning: I'm just a student here and I'm still beginning to understand UML, so my answers may not be 100% correct]
Why are they teaching UML? As my professor says, its the best thing she knows of out there right now. I don't really know of any other modeling techniques to challange her on that.
What do you have to do to apply UML successfully, and what does it buy you that you couldn't get from simply thinking carefully about things up front? First, one must realize that UML is not the solution to software engineering. Its only a tool that assists in designing a system. From what I understand, if you use UML, set yourself some hard limits on when you will stop drawing diagrams, and start getting your teams to build and communicate. My guess/fear is that people think UML is just this magic patch for a project, and after playing with it for a bit, I can definately say it isn't.
UML is basically about thinking about things hard up front - but its more like doing it in a standard language. This is mostly to reduce the time it takes to communicate your model to someone just coming in on the project. --------------------------
Upgrading my machine is a bad thing at this point - mostly because I have no money I can throw at something like this, and I'm going to graduate in ~4 months, so I'd rather get a new computer when I get a job.
Thanks much for your suggestions - I'm definately going to give them a try... --------------------------
Actually, if the poster was serious, I doubt he was supporting VB, but rather something like SML/NJ. The proponents of this language insist that their programs can be made unhackable because they can be mathematically proven to be secure.
Of course, I don't think this is the way to go - mostly because current SML implementations are damn slow, and I'm a C bigot.;-> --------------------------
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But you forget that NeXTstep/OpenStep ran on 68k, Sparcs, and x86, IIRC. Seeing that MacOS X is mostly a continuation of that OS line, and Darwin _already_ runs on ia32, I don't think the port itself would be that bad. What's preventing them from doing it right now is driver support, and the fear of losing tons of money in hardware sales. --------------------------
I go to one of the top CS schools and I have never seen anyone actually use Jabber or its clones...but Hemos et. al. seem to treat it like its popular and everyone uses it...
Do people out there actually use it, and if so, what's so great about it? Or is this just GNU/FUD?;-) --------------------------
Hrmm...I've taken several chem labs, and wouldn't it be a good idea to let the caffinated water evaporate for a while? This will increase the caffene concentration by removing excess dillution media (i.e. water).
IDEs like KDevelop and KDE Studioare remarkably like Visual Studio. Whenever I've used both, they've always seemed (mostly) feature complete and stable. There are other IDEs out there, but from my expierence, these are the most mature ones out there. (and, imho, Emacs doesn't count as in IDE)
And now, I have a question for you (or anyone else out there): Are there any good books/materials for learning Win32 or Carbon/Coco/etc programming? I'm a pretty good programmer, but I don't want to be tied to Unix/POSIX forever;-) --------------------------
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Well then, give me a job, or give me money ;-)
I'm stuck with my Pentium 200 for now because college has drained me, and I'm having tons of trouble finding a job because of the economy. Sucks to be me.
<unprovable, flame-batish observation>
WinNT runs fairly well on my machine, even with 64 MB or RAM. X runs slower, even when its just running WindowMaker. Personally, I think whatever the Linux and X interface is, it needs lots more work.
</unprovable, flame-batish observation>
I kind of do that now - I have two version of my resume. One version is for the biotech companies, listing my experiences in both. The other version mentions that I got both degrees, but places a lot more emphasis on my computer science side. I give each company a resume which ever is more appropriate for it.
I'll keep your comments in mind, though. Thanks much for the reply.
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Same here...I'm a bit different in the sense that I've got Bachelors in both Computer Science and Biology a couple months ago, but it seems as if no one is hiring.
:-)
I've tried several IS/IT firms, and I always get no reply from them. Bioinformatics firms are looking for MS/PhD people, not entry level programmers. I've still got more connections I can try using, but damnit, this is getting depressing.
Anyone have a job or words of advice for a green college kid?
--------------------------
If they have a few more of these guys in their ranks, they're going to be able to do more damage to the Linux "PR" than I'd expected.
My impression of people who work at MS is that the its the Marketing/Salespeople are just that - your standard Marketdroids, spewing forth crap.
The people that do development at MS are incredibly bright and hard working. The ensuing fight between Linux and MS will definately be interesting...
--------------------------
The source of all the trolling, goatse.cx, AYBABTU, etc. is all coming from this website. Go and slashdot 'em, people.
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This will never happen and the design reasons why it shouldn't are sound. Why people don't look at Windows and just admit that it is an object lesson of why it shouldn't be done boggles me.
;-)
Windows does offer some graphical speed improvement as a result of it, though. I can't offer you hard numbers, and perhaps it is a placebo effect, but my Matrox G200 does perform better under Win98 than Linux/XFree4. I run a fairly fast window manager (wmaker) under Linux, so I don't think its attributable to wasted eye candy. If you know of some tests to run each OS, I'd be happy to run them - I'd be happy to know I was wrong
But anyways, if there is a potential for improvement, why not take it? As long as the implementation is thorougly tested and debugged, I can't imagine any problems. Both WinNT and Win2k in my experience have been fantastic with not crashing, and they've got this "flaw in design".
Already done. If you want a nice splashscreen while the system boots up and not see all that boot information you can.
You don't understand - not just what they kernel spews out, but the distribution as a whole. Does Joe Blow care about GTK errors? All of the stuff X dumps as it starts up? MacOS is wonderful in the regard that it takes all the complexity of the system, and buries most of it. Yes, that's quite possible with >/dev/null, but an effort should be made to make all the extraneous output that is off by default.
The fact that you can run linux in everything from a wristwatch to a supercomputer is a testament to its design. Not a flaw.
Debatable. I'd rather have a well refined tool for a specific task, not a cure-all kernel.
Oh, and a true desktop is a thought out and planned set of layered services running atop a kernel.
Yes, but we differ in what we think a kernel should consist of, and my feeling is that a kernel for a user should be fairly different than a kernel for a Cray. The Cray is doing serious number crunching. Asthetics are at best a secondary concern. This is what Unix was after orginally, completing jobs.
A desktop OS is a far more amorphous problem - the focus should be on letting the user get what tasks they need to get done, with the minimum amount of worrying what is under the hood.
I guess I have a unique perspective on this - I work with people who need computers, but are easily confused by what we understand. They don't understand a driver conflict, all they know is that "the Internet is broken."
Desktop OSes should protect the user from the computer. Your average user doesn't care about what most of Linux does, or what it can run on - they just want to write a paper, or check their email.
--------------------------
Wow...I just posted something similar in the Linux 2.5.x thread, but whatever ;-)
Unix (in any flavor) is a server. I consider Linux as much as a server as *BSD.
Desktop OSes, however (I'm thinking BeOS, MacOS, WinNT) don't have the same layering scheme as *nix "desktops." The operating system is the graphical environment, something which *nix differentiates into an application.
Good to hear that FreeBSD runs things as well as Linux, though...I'll have to give it a try sometime...
(As a random, only sorta offtopic note, how well does FreeBSD run on 486's w/ 20 MB ram? I'm running Linux 2.2 on one right now, and apache is dog slow)
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Basically, change Linux from Unix clone to something more along the lines of BeOS, MacOS, or WinNT (but done right, of course
I don't think that is what Linus wants, though - if he did, I don't think he'd care about getting Linux to run on all that heavy iron.
IMHO, all the DE's we have right now are just big hacks...yes, Gnome and KDE are rather sophisticated hacks, but a "true" desktop isn't layer after layer of services running on a kernel, its a more thought out and planned OS. You make sacrifices - you might only go down to one widget set, one way of doing audio, etc.
Unix is great - as a server. For a hacker desktop, it definately is pretty nice. But we're leaving out 85% of humanity by making just us coders happy
--------------------------
Yes, they do.
By scaring people now, corporations will buy licenses. They will continue buying MS to stay legal. This will force home users to also buy the latest software, as the corporations are distributing everything using MS Word 2004 Shiney Professional with Sprinkle Power.
The question will become, how fast will people be able crack the activation scheme?
--------------------------
...where does this end?
AOL isn't my employer, but can they read my email? I'm using their services, and if I'm reading this right, they are w/in their right to read this...(I know they are technically capable of reading it anytime, but legally?)
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Are there any tools to convert an existing ext2 partition into Reiser?
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Would this be a case for having the kernel on CVS? One could easily browse the changelog...
And why does Linus not use CVS? If the entire "more eyes, less bugs" theory holds true, Linux should improve even faster if the most bleeding edge code is seen...
--------------------------
I've got 2.4.0 running just fine on my x86...is there anything that is signficantly better about 2.4.3? I've been taking "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude lately...
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Uhm. No.
Microsoft is doing what Microsoft does best. Ensuring its survival by taking advantage of the market. Linux is a hot topic now, so they "support" Linux.
I don't doubt MS will push Windows[2k|XP] throughout all of this, and MSs market will only diminish slightly, if at all.
--------------------------
For anyone else looking at kUML, I took a quick at their site, but I'm guessing its not under active development any more...its been about 5 months since their last site update...
Thanks for the suggestion, though...
--------------------------
[Warning: I'm just a student here and I'm still beginning to understand UML, so my answers may not be 100% correct]
Why are they teaching UML?
As my professor says, its the best thing she knows of out there right now. I don't really know of any other modeling techniques to challange her on that.
What do you have to do to apply UML successfully, and what does it buy you that you couldn't get from simply thinking carefully about things up front?
First, one must realize that UML is not the solution to software engineering. Its only a tool that assists in designing a system. From what I understand, if you use UML, set yourself some hard limits on when you will stop drawing diagrams, and start getting your teams to build and communicate. My guess/fear is that people think UML is just this magic patch for a project, and after playing with it for a bit, I can definately say it isn't.
UML is basically about thinking about things hard up front - but its more like doing it in a standard language. This is mostly to reduce the time it takes to communicate your model to someone just coming in on the project.
--------------------------
Upgrading my machine is a bad thing at this point - mostly because I have no money I can throw at something like this, and I'm going to graduate in ~4 months, so I'd rather get a new computer when I get a job.
Thanks much for your suggestions - I'm definately going to give them a try...
--------------------------
Actually, if the poster was serious, I doubt he was supporting VB, but rather something like SML/NJ. The proponents of this language insist that their programs can be made unhackable because they can be mathematically proven to be secure.
;->
Of course, I don't think this is the way to go - mostly because current SML implementations are damn slow, and I'm a C bigot.
--------------------------
But you forget that NeXTstep/OpenStep ran on 68k, Sparcs, and x86, IIRC. Seeing that MacOS X is mostly a continuation of that OS line, and Darwin _already_ runs on ia32, I don't think the port itself would be that bad. What's preventing them from doing it right now is driver support, and the fear of losing tons of money in hardware sales.
--------------------------
I go to one of the top CS schools and I have never seen anyone actually use Jabber or its clones...but Hemos et. al. seem to treat it like its popular and everyone uses it...
;-)
Do people out there actually use it, and if so, what's so great about it? Or is this just GNU/FUD?
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Also, I believe the FDA recommended dose of caffiene is only 40 mg/day(!). Most Americans on average consume ~400mg / day.
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rotovap
;-)
ooooh...good idea...i had forgotten about that...
also, you could add other stimulants to the mixture...does nicotine have a flavor?
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Hrmm...I've taken several chem labs, and wouldn't it be a good idea to let the caffinated water evaporate for a while? This will increase the caffene concentration by removing excess dillution media (i.e. water).
;-)
Oh, and FYI:
Caffeine MSDS
Caffeine Toxicity Info
I knew the bio major in me would be useful someday
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Picked this up yesterday at a local bookshop...damn good book...thanks much!
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IDEs like KDevelop and KDE Studioare remarkably like Visual Studio. Whenever I've used both, they've always seemed (mostly) feature complete and stable. There are other IDEs out there, but from my expierence, these are the most mature ones out there. (and, imho, Emacs doesn't count as in IDE)
;-)
And now, I have a question for you (or anyone else out there): Are there any good books/materials for learning Win32 or Carbon/Coco/etc programming? I'm a pretty good programmer, but I don't want to be tied to Unix/POSIX forever
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