Sounds like you need to look around for better K12 pricing! I've installed probably 40 NetWare servers in K12. The K12 pricing for a 500 user NetWare 5.1 license is $995. They also have incredibly cheap prices on their other products like ZENworks, etc.
+3? Amazing what people will mod up without even knowing if it's true.
I would bet that the vast majority of the people who have written posts about how Novell is already dead, or will be soon, have never touched a Novell server. I've been doing admin on them since 2.2. Nothing is more stable, nothing is faster(on similiar hardware), nothing is more SECURE, nothing is as easy to administer.
Sure, it's not sexy, but it works and is rock solid. Please don't comment on the death of a company or product that you know absolutely nothing about.
"Just slap three really nice video cards in your PC grab three of a really nice brand of "standard" LCD monitor on the market, like IBM's or Viewsonic's, put them all right next to each other (look for a brand of LCD monitor with a very slim edge around the viewable display to maximize screen display and minimize the clutter between screens) and use new new XFree86 beta with its panoramic multi-head support thingie (I forget what it's called) and get pretty much the same results.
Let's say really nice video cards are $200/ea and really nice LCD monitors are $1200/ea, that puts you at $4000 even to do virtually the same thing this $27,000 mostrosity costs. The only difference being that you'll have three seperate pieces of monitor instead of one.
That actually looks pretty much like what these guys did except they have a custom case they put the three seperate monitors into and built a custom connector so that you only have to plug one cable into your PC instead of three.
If you're any good at hardware, I bet you could even take your LCD monitors out of the plastic cases and come up with some way to mount them so they would be literally right next to each other and do it for a lot less than the $23,000 difference in price between buying one of these and making one...."
(actually, this is the text from one of three replies from the first time this was posted on/. that got a +3 score (no 4 or 5's at all). I figured if it worked then, it should work for me this time... maybe I shouldn't have said anything.)
I thought I had seen it on here before when I saw that image of the airplane displayed on the monitor. After reading your message with the link, I instinctly clicked it to see the original article.
Then I thought, "Hey,/. just got another ad view from me. Hmmm, in fact, they got 3 page views from me for the same story: the original, the one posted today, and back to the original to verify their screw up."
Could this be part of the conspiracy? Could/. be doing this ON PURPOSE to get more ad revenue?
Then it should be an option, right? Kind of like when IE finishes a download in the background. You can tell it to notify you by opening a dialog box with focus, or just go away and don't bother you.
Dilution isn't a problem. If several of the services become popular, someone will come up with an mp3Archie that will have collective indexing capabilities.
The possibility of a massive new-age Archie search engine could make big bucks for those who implement it first. Would displaying banner ads or even charging some sort of micropayment be legal if you just pointed someone to a service where a user had a particular data file you where interested in?
Ah, but a large majority of folks who know what they're doing list themselves as 14.4 or 28.8 users so as to discourage people from leeching off their 155Mb connection;)
Go by the ping times. That's usually the best reference.
"Our crack team plugged things back up immediately."
He could have meant that it was a great team... on the ball... a crack team.
Re:A shame it's hard to find...
on
Hackers
·
· Score: 1
I would say in many cases the copywrite is owned by the publisher rather than the author.
Good look getting any of those published online.
Possibly a publisher could post out of date books on their own site, a physical page equals an online page, with a banner ad or something on each page.
I remember back on my old commodore 64 I had a nifty device. It plugged in like a game cartridge, but it mirrored the system RAM (all 64k!). You got the system to the state where you wanted it and flipped a switch on the cartridge. It then dumped the contents of memory to a fast loading file on disk.
Great for bypassing copy protection checks when a program loaded!;)
How about all the great/.ers out there who have picked up 20 or so of these from Radio Shack all decide to reject the EULA and ship them back to DC... postage due.
If they refuse to pay postage for you to return them, does that imply that they don't want them and you are no longer held to the EULA?
You know that they conspired with Wired to create a database that cross references your Wired subscription information with the electronic ID in the cuecat that they sent you, right?
yes. this is what we (or at least, I) want. I want after-sale business models to FAIL
You mean like Helixcode and Eazel? Isn't this exactly what their entire marketing plan revolves around?
Does the same hold true for them? Does the/. community in general want them to fail? Once they do start offering value-added services for a fee, are we going to see everyone here coming up with ways to get around paying? Gnome-warez sites popping up everywhere? People bad mouthing them for trying to make some money for the valuable additions they have made to Gnome?
So what does this mean for folks who only have vision in one eye? Would this be usable for them? What shows up in each lens, the same image as the other?
I'd be interested to see how productivity levels of/. readers would go up if/. didn't exist.
I'm not saying this as a troll. I know I have sort of an addiction to/. I know I spend more time here than I probably need to.
But then the argument could be made that I really learn a lot from some of the conversations here, and it gives me a break from the problem I'm working on at the time and lets me start fresh.
The same can be said for TV. I don't know what I'd do without Discovery Channel, or The History Channel. I even really like Food Network. I don't spend a whole bunch of time watching pointless shows.
I think I'm a more rounded person for having access to quality television and/., rather than being someone who is missing out on other things because I choose to spend time with such things.
And I don't think ads on TV are really targeted to the average/. reader who knows how to think for themselves. I've never been swayed by advertisements.
Why does every company getting involved in the web (and even some of them that always have been) insist on sticking either an 'i' or an 'e' at the begginning of their name?
It's simple... because all the good.com names where taken.
Some "brilliant" person came up with the idea of sticking a letter in front of the name they initially wanted and thus where able to register it.
The ultimate file manager for Windows is Windows Commander. Maybe it's just because I started using Norton Commander on DOS many many years ago, but it just feels right.
The two directory windows side by side metaphor is the best way to manage files and information. New users can use the mouse to do what they want to do, but power users can navigate the system using nothing but the keyboard.
I know there are quite a few Norton Commander clones already available for *nix, but they're all pretty sad when it comes to actual usability.
The guy who writes Windows Commander, Christian Ghisler, is supposedly going to work on a *nix version of it as soon as Kylix is released, so there is hope. I don't think I can completely change over until I get this.
The problem with your argument is that you are comparing users, not the interface.
Yes, A typical *nix user would probably be able to adapt and work around any problems they may encounter sitting on a strange machine, but that's because typically they are more technically savvy than the average joe.
I have probably touched thousands of Windows boxes (usually 20-30 a day) at many different offices in the days when I did such things as a consultant. Windows is pretty much windows.
I sit down on other people's *nix boxes and curse the machine and think they are idiots for setting things up the way they have. I wonder in the back of my mind if they don't know how to configure it the "correct" way (ie, my way;) It's like working on completely different desktop.
Even if he uses emacs... you can probably get to vi through a shell. But on a Mac or Windows box, you're not going to find WordPerfect if the owner is a Word user. Even worse is if you need to do some image processing (for example) and he or she isn't a graphics person; then you're not going to be able to do certain tasks at all.
This is actually one of my complaints about Linux installs. You try to do a basic RH install and you'll be getting 650-750 meg of stuff, most of which you won't ever use.
Why should I have to install 12 editors if I only use emacs (with the occasional jump into pico)?
And it's not just editors, it's across the whole spectrum. I've tried to do installs where I select only certain components, but then I always have dependency problems that make absolutely no sense and I STILL end up with garbage that I know I didn't select being installed for me.
Why can't we easily get an install that works correctly with nothing more than a kernel, the gnu tools, x, a desktop and window manager of choice, and a couple of basic apps?
If Microsoft came up with a distribution of Windows that came with all the crap that Linux distributions come with, we'd all complain about it.
Maybe this was ok when there were only a few apps available for Linux and people just chunked everything in because they could, and so they could prove that apps for Linux actually existed, but not now.
I just don't understand why when I want a non-Xed server that due to dependencies for text based apps I am required to install XF86 libraries?
Huh? When did this happen? I know 3 guys who have owned Radio Shack franchises for many years and nothing like this ever happened to them, yet you said they shut down EVERY privately owned store in the country.
This may be slightly off topic, but it does tie in with Albert and Germany and the such... and it is a slow day.
Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but it has always bothered me that a comparatively small country like Germany could have enough citizens to wage war on the rest of the world.
I mean, this is a country about the size of Montana (according to the CIA page linked above). It seems that we could have beaten them just based on sheer numbers of bodies we could throw at them.
Anyone out there who can shed a little light on this for me without having to write a poli-sci thesis?
Slashdot Mirror
Sounds like you need to look around for better K12 pricing! I've installed probably 40 NetWare servers in K12. The K12 pricing for a 500 user NetWare 5.1 license is $995. They also have incredibly cheap prices on their other products like ZENworks, etc.
+3? Amazing what people will mod up without even knowing if it's true.
I would bet that the vast majority of the people who have written posts about how Novell is already dead, or will be soon, have never touched a Novell server. I've been doing admin on them since 2.2. Nothing is more stable, nothing is faster(on similiar hardware), nothing is more SECURE, nothing is as easy to administer.
Sure, it's not sexy, but it works and is rock solid. Please don't comment on the death of a company or product that you know absolutely nothing about.
"Just slap three really nice video cards in your PC grab three of a really nice brand of "standard" LCD monitor on the market, like IBM's or Viewsonic's, put them all right next to each other (look for a brand of LCD monitor with a very slim edge around the viewable display to maximize screen display and minimize the clutter between screens) and use new new XFree86 beta with its panoramic multi-head support thingie (I forget what it's called) and get pretty much the same results.
/. that got a +3 score (no 4 or 5's at all). I figured if it worked then, it should work for me this time... maybe I shouldn't have said anything.)
Let's say really nice video cards are $200/ea and really nice LCD monitors are $1200/ea, that puts you at $4000 even to do virtually the same thing this $27,000 mostrosity costs. The only difference being that you'll have three seperate pieces of monitor instead of one.
That actually looks pretty much like what these guys did except they have a custom case they put the three seperate monitors into and built a custom connector so that you only have to plug one cable into your PC instead of three.
If you're any good at hardware, I bet you could even take your LCD monitors out of the plastic cases and come up with some way to mount them so they would be literally right next to each other and do it for a lot less than the $23,000 difference in price between buying one of these and making one...."
(actually, this is the text from one of three replies from the first time this was posted on
I thought I had seen it on here before when I saw that image of the airplane displayed on the monitor. After reading your message with the link, I instinctly clicked it to see the original article.
/. just got another ad view from me. Hmmm, in fact, they got 3 page views from me for the same story: the original, the one posted today, and back to the original to verify their screw up."
/. be doing this ON PURPOSE to get more ad revenue?
Then I thought, "Hey,
Could this be part of the conspiracy? Could
...or maybe not.
I thought that was stinkymeat.
Then it should be an option, right? Kind of like when IE finishes a download in the background. You can tell it to notify you by opening a dialog box with focus, or just go away and don't bother you.
Dilution isn't a problem. If several of the services become popular, someone will come up with an mp3Archie that will have collective indexing capabilities.
The possibility of a massive new-age Archie search engine could make big bucks for those who implement it first. Would displaying banner ads or even charging some sort of micropayment be legal if you just pointed someone to a service where a user had a particular data file you where interested in?
Ah, but a large majority of folks who know what they're doing list themselves as 14.4 or 28.8 users so as to discourage people from leeching off their 155Mb connection ;)
Go by the ping times. That's usually the best reference.
"Our crack team plugged things back up immediately."
He could have meant that it was a great team... on the ball... a crack team.
I would say in many cases the copywrite is owned by the publisher rather than the author.
Good look getting any of those published online.
Possibly a publisher could post out of date books on their own site, a physical page equals an online page, with a banner ad or something on each page.
Just a thought...
I remember back on my old commodore 64 I had a nifty device. It plugged in like a game cartridge, but it mirrored the system RAM (all 64k!). You got the system to the state where you wanted it and flipped a switch on the cartridge. It then dumped the contents of memory to a fast loading file on disk.
;)
Great for bypassing copy protection checks when a program loaded!
How about all the great /.ers out there who have picked up 20 or so of these from Radio Shack all decide to reject the EULA and ship them back to DC... postage due.
If they refuse to pay postage for you to return them, does that imply that they don't want them and you are no longer held to the EULA?
Either way, it would be a sight to see!
You know that they conspired with Wired to create a database that cross references your Wired subscription information with the electronic ID in the cuecat that they sent you, right?
</paranoia>
yes. this is what we (or at least, I) want. I want after-sale business models to FAIL
/. community in general want them to fail? Once they do start offering value-added services for a fee, are we going to see everyone here coming up with ways to get around paying? Gnome-warez sites popping up everywhere? People bad mouthing them for trying to make some money for the valuable additions they have made to Gnome?
You mean like Helixcode and Eazel? Isn't this exactly what their entire marketing plan revolves around?
Does the same hold true for them? Does the
So what does this mean for folks who only have vision in one eye? Would this be usable for them? What shows up in each lens, the same image as the other?
I'd be interested to see how productivity levels of /. readers would go up if /. didn't exist.
/. I know I spend more time here than I probably need to.
/., rather than being someone who is missing out on other things because I choose to spend time with such things.
/. reader who knows how to think for themselves. I've never been swayed by advertisements.
I'm not saying this as a troll. I know I have sort of an addiction to
But then the argument could be made that I really learn a lot from some of the conversations here, and it gives me a break from the problem I'm working on at the time and lets me start fresh.
The same can be said for TV. I don't know what I'd do without Discovery Channel, or The History Channel. I even really like Food Network. I don't spend a whole bunch of time watching pointless shows.
I think I'm a more rounded person for having access to quality television and
And I don't think ads on TV are really targeted to the average
Why does every company getting involved in the web (and even some of them that always have been) insist on sticking either an 'i' or an 'e' at the begginning of their name?
.com names where taken.
It's simple... because all the good
Some "brilliant" person came up with the idea of sticking a letter in front of the name they initially wanted and thus where able to register it.
The ultimate file manager for Windows is Windows Commander. Maybe it's just because I started using Norton Commander on DOS many many years ago, but it just feels right.
The two directory windows side by side metaphor is the best way to manage files and information. New users can use the mouse to do what they want to do, but power users can navigate the system using nothing but the keyboard.
I know there are quite a few Norton Commander clones already available for *nix, but they're all pretty sad when it comes to actual usability.
The guy who writes Windows Commander, Christian Ghisler, is supposedly going to work on a *nix version of it as soon as Kylix is released, so there is hope. I don't think I can completely change over until I get this.
The problem with your argument is that you are comparing users, not the interface.
;) It's like working on completely different desktop.
Yes, A typical *nix user would probably be able to adapt and work around any problems they may encounter sitting on a strange machine, but that's because typically they are more technically savvy than the average joe.
I have probably touched thousands of Windows boxes (usually 20-30 a day) at many different offices in the days when I did such things as a consultant. Windows is pretty much windows.
I sit down on other people's *nix boxes and curse the machine and think they are idiots for setting things up the way they have. I wonder in the back of my mind if they don't know how to configure it the "correct" way (ie, my way
Even if he uses emacs ... you can probably get to vi through a shell. But on a Mac or Windows box, you're not going to find WordPerfect if the owner is a Word user. Even worse is if you need to do some image processing (for example) and he or she isn't a graphics person; then you're not going to be able to do certain tasks at all.
This is actually one of my complaints about Linux installs. You try to do a basic RH install and you'll be getting 650-750 meg of stuff, most of which you won't ever use.
Why should I have to install 12 editors if I only use emacs (with the occasional jump into pico)?
And it's not just editors, it's across the whole spectrum. I've tried to do installs where I select only certain components, but then I always have dependency problems that make absolutely no sense and I STILL end up with garbage that I know I didn't select being installed for me.
Why can't we easily get an install that works correctly with nothing more than a kernel, the gnu tools, x, a desktop and window manager of choice, and a couple of basic apps?
If Microsoft came up with a distribution of Windows that came with all the crap that Linux distributions come with, we'd all complain about it.
Maybe this was ok when there were only a few apps available for Linux and people just chunked everything in because they could, and so they could prove that apps for Linux actually existed, but not now.
I just don't understand why when I want a non-Xed server that due to dependencies for text based apps I am required to install XF86 libraries?
Huh? When did this happen? I know 3 guys who have owned Radio Shack franchises for many years and nothing like this ever happened to them, yet you said they shut down EVERY privately owned store in the country.
This is at a +5 right now, but is it true?
This may be slightly off topic, but it does tie in with Albert and Germany and the such... and it is a slow day.
Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but it has always bothered me that a comparatively small country like Germany could have enough citizens to wage war on the rest of the world.
I mean, this is a country about the size of Montana (according to the CIA page linked above). It seems that we could have beaten them just based on sheer numbers of bodies we could throw at them.
Anyone out there who can shed a little light on this for me without having to write a poli-sci thesis?
No, but if you know any good real estate agents...
So Elvis was around in 1996 when he was abducted by alians and eaten? ...oh, you said Elves.
Sorry.
You think not, eh? The truth will soon be know.
Interestingly enough, today's Saturday Night Live on Comedy Central was the one where they sell the robot insurance to old folks.
Coincidence? I think now. They are trying to desensitize us.