That's actually the issue that's giving me more problems than the rdist issues. I'm impressed by the MagniComp guys, and their licensing is extremely reasonable for ridiculously large numbers of machines. SSH 2, when combined with rdist, is unbelievably expensive. (You need the ssh server on each machine that rdist distributes to. 1000 x 300 is not a manageable cost to push in the name of security.)
P.S. rsync ? I think you mean rdist. rsync is GPL. Debian's rdist is rdist-6.1.3 (usc.edu:/pub/rdist) which is BSD.
There's a non-Magnicomp rdist that's greater than version 6.1.0 out there? How intriguing. The only one I was able to track down (and which prompted this posting) was the 6.1.5 version.
Time to do some more investigating.
Later: By the way, ftp.usc.edu/pub/rdist says "RDist_MOVED_TO_www.MagniComp.com" Oh well.
By the way, BIND and INN (the main, open, news server) are supported by the same group of people, and yes, there is talk that they'll form a company to provide support for their free products (BIND and INN).
I don't think you need to fear the lack of free development growing into something bigger, it will just acknowledge that there is money to be made supporting that free product, and move on to it.
Isn't that the goal the open source movement has anyway? Free software, with development being supported by those using it, either through direct development, or by payment for support?
True. He can't pull out hundreds of books in a minute. Unfortunately, there doesn't exist ANY filtering software that does filtering properly, and doesn't filter out the legitimate sites, such as breast feeding, breast cancer, etc.
It's even more important to make information on AIDS (blocked by many filters), sexual abuse and recovery, Buddhism (I wouldn't be surprised if this was blocked by the Christian fundamental filters.)
In short, it's not that we want children to be able to randomly chance upon the vast quantities of porn available on the internet, rather, we don't want to limit choices to a close-minded person's view of what's right.
I find it funny that because Linux is sucessful, it means that GPL is a good thing. The most successfull open source products are ones that are not GPL. Lets take the examples, Apache, Perl, Python, etc.
Well, I hate to point out minor flaws like this, but Perl *can* be considered to be under the GPL. Look at the output from the copy of Perl on this workstation:
===>perl -v
This is perl, version 5.004_04 built for irix-n32
Copyright 1987-1997, Larry Wall
Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5.0 source kit.
The other issue that no one has mentioned in all this is the use of filtering software. No library is going to write their own filtering software, or even buy software and administer their own list of sites (if the software even let them.) Rather, the libraries will be forced to buy software like CyberSitter, or NetNanny, and then we'll lose access to sites like the Middlesex county website, sexual abuse recovery sites, etc.
Anyone who says that THIS isn't censorship is pigheaded. These net filtering softwares seek to enforce fundamental Christian values on their users - I'd be surprised if Wiccan and Buddhist sites weren't blocked by some of these.
Referring to the other part of the bill - the posting of the 10 Commandments - I'm fairly surprised that this went through. The US Supreme Court pretty much has to knock this down to follow past precedents - favoring any religion in any way is against the Consitution. Encouraging kids to believe that the Judeo-Christian religions are okay, and better than those that can't get fundamental beliefs posted in schools is a corruption of the First Ammendment.
I remember iCE, back in the day. I was a member for a few months back in 1994. It was nice to be able to look up all my old artwork (only four pictures:) and it reminded me of how cool and simple those days were.
Yeah, it is amazing remember what you used to be involved in. Around '94, or so, I remember Midnight Sorrow (who can still be found on IRC), getting real deep into iCE, and of course CCi.
It has been a while, hasn't it?
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Send it through Change Control (a bunch of managers who know very little about the systems).
That's funny - I work one of the Big Three Automakers, in the Engineering Support department. I've found that our Change controls are attended by people who truly understand most of the systems involved. Of course, we don't run any of the development changes through the change control system - it's only when we need to affect large numbers of other people, or the entire support department. (We make ourselves guinea pigs on a lot of the PC changes..)
Why doesn't anyone post pricing when they make big announcements like this?
Where I work, we use some very large DB2 databases. It'd be nice to have some idea of what it would cost to put together a learning system at home - and if TurboLinux stays near the $200 price range, with DB2 added, that'd be a great deal.
I don't really expect that to be the case, but I'd love to see some sort of personal use license, or a developmental-use license, especially for this version.
Slashdot is running Linux right? This must be the most crappy, crash-prone website on the whole net. Seems like real life experiences don't support your ridiculous presumptions.
Slashdot has bandwidth problems, suffers a ridiculous load, and performs a database lookup (or several) on every page loaded.
That's not exactly your run-of-the-mill setup.
Besides, if you've got machines that can handle the load running NT, you should have machines that can handle similar loads under Linux. No one, not even Microsoft, is claiming that Linux is that bad. If your servers are fully loaded right now, moving might be a bit risky, but you've probably got some problems as it is.
I wouldn't be surprised to see another appeal, to the US Supreme Court now. This has been too big an issue for the US Government over the years to let it drop without a real fight.
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That's actually the issue that's giving me more problems than the rdist issues. I'm impressed by the MagniComp guys, and their licensing is extremely reasonable for ridiculously large numbers of machines. SSH 2, when combined with rdist, is unbelievably expensive. (You need the ssh server on each machine that rdist distributes to. 1000 x 300 is not a manageable cost to push in the name of security.)
There's a non-Magnicomp rdist that's greater than version 6.1.0 out there? How intriguing. The only one I was able to track down (and which prompted this posting) was the 6.1.5 version.
Time to do some more investigating.
Later: By the way, ftp.usc.edu/pub/rdist says "RDist_MOVED_TO_www.MagniComp.com"
Oh well.
This strikes me as part of NSI's attempt to retard competition in the registrar arena while proclaiming all the best intentions.
Speaking of competition, has anyone had success with one of the alternate registrars yet?
By the way, BIND and INN (the main, open, news server) are supported by the same group of people, and yes, there is talk that they'll form a company to provide support for their free products (BIND and INN).
I don't think you need to fear the lack of free development growing into something bigger, it will just acknowledge that there is money to be made supporting that free product, and move on to it.
Isn't that the goal the open source movement has anyway? Free software, with development being supported by those using it, either through direct development, or by payment for support?
True. He can't pull out hundreds of books in a minute. Unfortunately, there doesn't exist ANY filtering software that does filtering properly, and doesn't filter out the legitimate sites, such as breast feeding, breast cancer, etc.
It's even more important to make information on AIDS (blocked by many filters), sexual abuse and recovery, Buddhism (I wouldn't be surprised if this was blocked by the Christian fundamental filters.)
In short, it's not that we want children to be able to randomly chance upon the vast quantities of porn available on the internet, rather, we don't want to limit choices to a close-minded person's view of what's right.
By the way, 10Base2 = 10Megabit on COAX. 10BaseT is 10 Megabit on Unshielded Twisted Pair.
That's why 100Megabit cards are known as 100Base-TX or 100Base-something. (I forget what the other standard is called.)
This doesn't really have any relevance to the topic, but I hate to see misinformation get spread.
Well, I hate to point out minor flaws like this, but Perl *can* be considered to be under the GPL. Look at the output from the copy of Perl on this workstation:
The other issue that no one has mentioned in all this is the use of filtering software. No library is going to write their own filtering software, or even buy software and administer their own list of sites (if the software even let them.) Rather, the libraries will be forced to buy software like CyberSitter, or NetNanny, and then we'll lose access to sites like the Middlesex county website, sexual abuse recovery sites, etc.
Anyone who says that THIS isn't censorship is pigheaded. These net filtering softwares seek to enforce fundamental Christian values on their users - I'd be surprised if Wiccan and Buddhist sites weren't blocked by some of these.
Referring to the other part of the bill - the posting of the 10 Commandments - I'm fairly surprised that this went through. The US Supreme Court pretty much has to knock this down to follow past precedents - favoring any religion in any way is against the Consitution. Encouraging kids to believe that the Judeo-Christian religions are okay, and better than those that can't get fundamental beliefs posted in schools is a corruption of the First Ammendment.
Wow. I still have working (I think) IIgs at home, with 1.25 Meg of Ram, and the Apple High Speed Scsi card. (Yes, it even has a 20 Meg hard drive).
Unfortunately, my software for it is somewhat limited. My collection of games was sold with the Enchanced IIe that we sold 8-10 years ago. Ooops.
Yeah, it is amazing remember what you used to be involved in. Around '94, or so, I remember Midnight Sorrow (who can still be found on IRC), getting real deep into iCE, and of course CCi.
It has been a while, hasn't it?
Former Sysop - Mythical Productions
That's funny - I work one of the Big Three Automakers, in the Engineering Support department. I've found that our Change controls are attended by people who truly understand most of the systems involved. Of course, we don't run any of the development changes through the change control system - it's only when we need to affect large numbers of other people, or the entire support department. (We make ourselves guinea pigs on a lot of the PC changes..)
Why doesn't anyone post pricing when they make big announcements like this?
Where I work, we use some very large DB2 databases. It'd be nice to have some idea of what it would cost to put together a learning system at home - and if TurboLinux stays near the $200 price range, with DB2 added, that'd be a great deal.
I don't really expect that to be the case, but I'd love to see some sort of personal use license, or a developmental-use license, especially for this version.
Slashdot is running Linux right? This must be the most crappy, crash-prone website on the whole net. Seems like real life experiences don't support your ridiculous presumptions.
Slashdot has bandwidth problems, suffers a ridiculous load, and performs a database lookup (or several) on every page loaded.
That's not exactly your run-of-the-mill setup.
Besides, if you've got machines that can handle the load running NT, you should have machines that can handle similar loads under Linux. No one, not even Microsoft, is claiming that Linux is that bad. If your servers are fully loaded right now, moving might be a bit risky, but you've probably got some problems as it is.
I wouldn't be surprised to see another appeal, to the US Supreme Court now. This has been too big an issue for the US Government over the years to let it drop without a real fight.
I'm wondering if there are some potentials for the really neat applications - CAD/CAE modeling in a cheap, reusable material, etc...
I suppose crash simulations would be somewhat meaningless, unfortunately..