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There's no single organization called BLM. Anyone can create a group and call themselves BLM. BLM is really just a Twitter hashtag.
Whenever someone attributes something to BLM, ask them who exactly said that thing. Normally you'll find out it was a random activist someone ( if that thing was said at all )
It relates more to Stereotype Threat. It's not that black American cultures do not see engineering as a prestigious career. But rather they don't see themselves as engineers. They then self-select themselves out of the educational track needed for these jobs.
Stereotype threat originates both from within the Black communities ( Studious kids are picked on for "acting white" ), and externally ( Teachers do not push Black kids as hard as they do other racists due to their bias ).
The typical "they're not smart enough" comment, even though years of studying the racial education and occupational gaps have shown us otherwise. For some reason science goes out the window when discussing race.
Then you wonder why your bigoted policy ends up with lots of incompetent diversity candidates.
Aren't you begging the question? Any proof what you said is what actually happens? Because I believe what happens is that by casting a "wider net" recruiters do get minority candidates who are equally qualified.
Being aware of race and related problems does not necessarily make one a racist. What you're not taking into consideration is that underrepresented minorities stay out of these fields because they feel they do no "belong" ( Self-select due to Stereotype Threat for instance). There are also external forces at play.
Having a diversity problem helps younger students see the possibility of having a career in engineering.
Nice try but if you look at the actual numbers, facebook, google, etc.. are hiring a *higher* percentage of minorities than are graduating from college.
Citation please? Where are those "actual numbers" you reference?
But here's my citation, putting black CS grads at 4.5% but hires at 2%...
But last year, 4.5% of all new recipients of bachelor's degrees in computer science or computer engineering from prestigious research universities were African American, and 6.5% were Hispanic, according to data from the Computing Research Association.
When it comes to diversity, reasoning goes out the window.
None of the links you posted shows a causal link between Intel's Diversity Initiatives and ending support for the science fair.
Do you actually believe Intel could not afford $306M for both programs?
TFA itself quotes the reason Intel dropped the funding. Intel wants to focus on more "applied" programs...
Mr. Barrett said. “But they appear to be more interested in applied things, like” Maker Faire, an all-ages event that showcases homemade engineering projects.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good hate-filled post.
Thank you for that observation. Apparently racism does not exist as well. Just read the comments on any diversity article. Almost every top rated comment proclaiming racial bias does not exist in tech. And you are a SJW for saying so.
The difference is that ageism does affect many Slashdot readers. Sexist and racism apparently not so much.
No one's trying to mislead you. The percentages stay the same for new hires. Many SV firms release their new hire data every year and blacks make 1% and hispanics roughly 2-3%. Source: Annual Diversity Reports from Yahoo/Google/Microsoft/Facebook. These reports are not too hard to find if you really care to look.
There is a running and incorrect assumption ( bias ) in Slashdot discussions that minorities are not graduating from top US universities. This isn't true, as Blacks make up 4.5% of top university graduates, and hispanics make 6.5%. A combined 11% of CS/CE graduates from top US schools. But they end up with 3% of the jobs in many of the top firms.
But last year, 4.5% of all new recipients of bachelor's degrees in computer science or computer engineering from prestigious research universities were African American, and 6.5% were Hispanic, according to data from the Computing Research Association.
Are they turning them out at the same level though? Big universities discriminate like crazy, and will let weaker candidates in their pipelines in computer science if they're female or black much more easily. Some of them will do fine, but a lot will only barely squeeze through, because they were not really qualified in the first place.
Do you have any proof to back that up? Citations? Recent published accounts? Or are we suppose to believe your racist banter as is.
Many of us went to top universities. Did you notice a conspiracy by professors to give minority students passing grades? Even anecdotal evidence would be something. It's like you're not evening trying.
But last year, 4.5% of all new recipients of bachelor's degrees in computer science or computer engineering from prestigious research universities were African American, and 6.5% were Hispanic, according to data from the Computing Research Association.
Why do you assume that the only way to diversify a hiring pool is to lower standards? Hasn't it occurred to you that there are other things that can be done to change this?
However, if they hire an incompetent who is a member of one of the "disadvantaged" groups, firing them is potentially a legal nightmare.
This is patently untrue. The Blacks and Hispanics combined make 3% of the tech workforce, but do make over 30% of the remainder. If it were that much of a chore to fire minorities wouldn't the issue present itself in lower paying jobs as well?
There is no evidence to support that it is hard to fire minority employees. Please do not make things up.
Diversity is not an issue, the ONLY thing they should care is competence.
And what happens when competent minority kids never get the chance to show this because of social issues that exists decades before they were born?
The situation is clearly not that simple. People have biases.
Job seekers with black sounding names get interviewed less. Black job seekers with photos get interviewed less.
The other, however, suggests a black-sounding name remains an impediment to getting a job. After responding to 1,300 classified ads with dummy resumes, the authors found black-sounding names were 50 percent less likely to get a callback than white-sounding names with comparable resumes.
What do you have against discussing a problem that affects many tech professionals globally? Should Slashdot only discuss issues that affect Caucasian males?
This is great news for many of us who run Linux desktops. As this is one of the 2 laptops Dell delivers preinstalled with Linux in the dell.com/ubuntu program.
About 4 months ago I got an XPS 15, with almost identical specs ( 256 SSD, 16GB Ram, 4-Core i7 CPU, etc. ). But I had to void my warranty minutes after I opened the box to replace Windows with Ubuntu, so I'm basically on my own support-wise after spending north of $2K.
This laptop would have been perfect for someone like myself and hope its Linux configuration makes enough sales so that it's still around when I need a new computer 2-3 years from now.
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This is low, even for Slashdot and you know this.
There's no single organization called BLM. Anyone can create a group and call themselves BLM. BLM is really just a Twitter hashtag.
Whenever someone attributes something to BLM, ask them who exactly said that thing. Normally you'll find out it was a random activist someone ( if that thing was said at all )
Stereotype threat originates both from within the Black communities ( Studious kids are picked on for "acting white" ), and externally ( Teachers do not push Black kids as hard as they do other racists due to their bias ).
The typical "they're not smart enough" comment, even though years of studying the racial education and occupational gaps have shown us otherwise. For some reason science goes out the window when discussing race.
We could consider it isn't racial bias. But then we have years of scientific research ( remember science? ) that tells us otherwise.
Aren't you begging the question? Any proof what you said is what actually happens? Because I believe what happens is that by casting a "wider net" recruiters do get minority candidates who are equally qualified.
Having a diversity problem helps younger students see the possibility of having a career in engineering.
Citation please? Where are those "actual numbers" you reference?
But here's my citation, putting black CS grads at 4.5% but hires at 2%...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/10/12/silicon-valley-diversity-tech-hiring-computer-science-graduates-african-american-hispanic/14684211/
None of the links you posted shows a causal link between Intel's Diversity Initiatives and ending support for the science fair.
Do you actually believe Intel could not afford $306M for both programs?
TFA itself quotes the reason Intel dropped the funding. Intel wants to focus on more "applied" programs...
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good hate-filled post.
The difference is that ageism does affect many Slashdot readers. Sexist and racism apparently not so much.
No one's trying to mislead you. The percentages stay the same for new hires. Many SV firms release their new hire data every year and blacks make 1% and hispanics roughly 2-3%. Source: Annual Diversity Reports from Yahoo/Google/Microsoft/Facebook. These reports are not too hard to find if you really care to look.
There is a running and incorrect assumption ( bias ) in Slashdot discussions that minorities are not graduating from top US universities. This isn't true, as Blacks make up 4.5% of top university graduates, and hispanics make 6.5%. A combined 11% of CS/CE graduates from top US schools. But they end up with 3% of the jobs in many of the top firms.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/10/12/silicon-valley-diversity-tech-hiring-computer-science-graduates-african-american-hispanic/14684211/
If you want measurements you don't have to go very far.
No one has said anything about lowering standards. Blacks and Hispanics make up 11% of graduates from TOP CS/CE programs in the US.
Blacks and hispanics make 4.5 and 6.5% of the CS graduates from TOP US universities. But they make 1 and 2% of employees. So it's really not just a supply-side issues as you mention. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/10/12/silicon-valley-diversity-tech-hiring-computer-science-graduates-african-american-hispanic/14684211/
Do you have any proof to back that up? Citations? Recent published accounts? Or are we suppose to believe your racist banter as is.
Many of us went to top universities. Did you notice a conspiracy by professors to give minority students passing grades? Even anecdotal evidence would be something. It's like you're not evening trying.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/10/12/silicon-valley-diversity-tech-hiring-computer-science-graduates-african-american-hispanic/14684211/
Why do you assume that the only way to diversify a hiring pool is to lower standards? Hasn't it occurred to you that there are other things that can be done to change this?
Tech jobs: Minorities have degrees, but don't get hired
I don't understand why so many are not willing to even consider that there is some bias against minorities in tech hiring.
That's explicitly illegal and considered a major fraud ( depending on the contract ).
A minority business by law has to be majority owned and managed by the minority group it claims be.
You, your wife and the rest of your associates can all do time for this.
This is patently untrue. The Blacks and Hispanics combined make 3% of the tech workforce, but do make over 30% of the remainder. If it were that much of a chore to fire minorities wouldn't the issue present itself in lower paying jobs as well?
There is no evidence to support that it is hard to fire minority employees. Please do not make things up.
And what happens when competent minority kids never get the chance to show this because of social issues that exists decades before they were born?
The situation is clearly not that simple. People have biases.
Job seekers with black sounding names get interviewed less. Black job seekers with photos get interviewed less.
SJW : Anyone who cares to discuss social issues not affecting the majority. It use to be "PC", and "*-lovers" before that.
What do you have against discussing a problem that affects many tech professionals globally? Should Slashdot only discuss issues that affect Caucasian males?
This is great news for many of us who run Linux desktops. As this is one of the 2 laptops Dell delivers preinstalled with Linux in the dell.com/ubuntu program.
About 4 months ago I got an XPS 15, with almost identical specs ( 256 SSD, 16GB Ram, 4-Core i7 CPU, etc. ). But I had to void my warranty minutes after I opened the box to replace Windows with Ubuntu, so I'm basically on my own support-wise after spending north of $2K.
This laptop would have been perfect for someone like myself and hope its Linux configuration makes enough sales so that it's still around when I need a new computer 2-3 years from now.
And are you implying that doesn't happen with the C runtime?
Or seriously implying this happens less often when developers code in C/C++?