I dont think you understand the rules of this little game. MS has already been mentioned in the thread and by mentioning it again you are endangering slashdot through recursion. Stop it.
I don't know which sites (I was R&D, not webmaster), only the year : 1996.
In 1996 the internet was already satiated with porn sites, all of them doing the same thing and not one of those same things was any different than what you would find on sites which didnt feature naked people.
You seem to be quite reluctant about these guys, don't you ?
Not as reluctant as I am about tiresome slashdot pundits arguing from incomplete, innacurate information. Its just a bald faced lie; the porn industry isnt responsible for any technology, not ever. They are just visible when they adopt existing technology. That is it.
but that last post sounds like someone who is indignant that porn is so much more successful than the vast majority of 'e-businesses'
First of all, porn sites are as much a hit and miss affair as other sites. They come and go with at least the same frequency as any other e business. My main point is that its bad enough that pornographers exaggerate their status, now we also have people like you who make similiar claims without ever having seen their books.
Do a search for Warshevsky on wired - this is the self described mogul, the million dollar brain behind club love and the pamela anderson videos. This guy is facing bankruptcy.
Look at the guy who won the 10,000$. This guy ran xpics. xpics was found guilty of credit card fraud amongst other fraudulent activity. This is "success" to you??
Search that soft core rag, salon.com, for their articles on the porn industry. This is _not_ an industry that anyone looking for success will get into if they knew a few facts and they had a few alternatives.
It's an over hyped scam from content to book keeping, every step of the way.
I'm a pornographer. I know how this business works. I know who has the money and who doesnt. I do but that's only because I was around since before even playboy and penthouse put up their shingle on the web.
And dissing someone becuase they may have repurposed some perl code in a new way? Never heard of that? jeez.....
I'm not dissing anyone. I'm telling you that the porn industry is not responsible for a single technological innovation.
That's pretty funny coming from someone who just managed to invent a life for me and to impute all manner of motive and experience.
I got pron off the internet in the late 80s
Yeah, you were one the genius scientists on early tcp/ip systems connected to darpa at 300 baud. I believe you - why not, you sure sound smart. For a staggering idiot, I mean.
Oh, I get it. I've been a web pornographer since the days of shareware winsock. I know exactly what passes for porn technology on the web and I'm telling you all the stuff you mention was established, simple technology at the time you implemented it. I know this because because I _know_ it existed prior the _first_ porn site.
it was not called like this at that time. It didn't even have a name.
That just tells me you, specifically, dont know better. You make extraordinary claims for the things you developped. Please tell me what year you developed them and on what site they were first used. I guarantee you I will find prior art within 5 minutes of looking through my files.
You have cited NOTHING that can be even remotely construed as pushing the envelope, much less inventing it.
It is not innovative to use computers in the porn industry. Sorry.
Some years ago, I lost my job and moved to Paris because of an exciting job offer I had.
It consisted of developing the following in java :
an online distributed secure payment system
a video-broadcasting system using very-low bandwidth but high res-picture
a secure auction system.
So? What's so innovative about some developer writing the same set of apps for the umpteenth time? The fact that you were commisioned to do all this means that it existed already and that they wanted you to replicate existing functionality. Or are you suggesting you invented or even improved the above on their behalf?
So, which new technologies did the pr0n industry bring to the civilized world ?
they beta-tested and stabilized e-commerce
they were among the first to put live media online.
they proved one can make money out of their stuff.
and they were also far more delicate with their co-workers like me than others company for which I later contributed to develop a billing-system.
They didnt do any of those things first or even well. All they did, is use them and stick out in a crowd of other people using them because, well, they show naked people.
All you managed to demonstrate is that pornographers exist on the web.
It's a myth that the porn industry is responsible for anything or that they're even at the cutting, actually. I mean, to take the example of the internet, visit a porn site. Absofuckinglutely nothing there.
So then, by your definition, taking some existing piece of tech and saying "I can make this better", and then doing it, is not innovative?
That would depend on what you mean by 'better.' But do even they do that much? No doubt they've popularized VHS and javascript horrors but they havent improved them one ioata. Give me an example of this better mousetrap you speak of. I cannot think of any. Streaming video? I'll buy you a night out with a hooker if you cite some pornographer in the credits of a codec. There is very little technology in use in the porn industry. It shouldnt be too difficult to find an example of innovation in that death of examples.
I don't think you can deny the porn industry has come up with several of those in their time.
Really? Name one technology that porn industry is responsible for. I eagerly await news of the porn industry's research lab and its accomplishments.
Innovation in the porn industry is usually some desparate schmuch looking for an angle and with nothing left to lose. Its not even big porn names that adopt tech, its the usual case of some greaser facing bankruptcy. Pornographers have never been responsible for tech or even the first to adopt new tech. They use established (packaged, usually) tech early and their visibility gives people the exact mistaken impression you have.
I would not be surprised if this guy who claimed the 10,000 on behalf of his banner tracking software did nothing but add minor embellishishments to some pre-existing banner perl script.
Slashdot Mirror
I dont think you understand the rules of this little game. MS has already been mentioned in the thread and by mentioning it again you are endangering slashdot through recursion. Stop it.
Ever hear of Linux? They use tons of BSD code and they dont have to show it to you unless you ask.
I'm feeling bored.
Move to texas, violate the UCITA, receive a trip to death row.
I don't know which sites (I was R&D, not webmaster), only the year : 1996.
In 1996 the internet was already satiated with porn sites, all of them doing the same thing and not one of those same things was any different than what you would find on sites which didnt feature naked people.
You seem to be quite reluctant about these guys, don't you ?
Not as reluctant as I am about tiresome slashdot pundits arguing from incomplete, innacurate information. Its just a bald faced lie; the porn industry isnt responsible for any technology, not ever. They are just visible when they adopt existing technology. That is it.
but that last post sounds like someone who is indignant that porn is so much more successful than the vast majority of 'e-businesses'
First of all, porn sites are as much a hit and miss affair as other sites. They come and go with at least the same frequency as any other e business. My main point is that its bad enough that pornographers exaggerate their status, now we also have people like you who make similiar claims without ever having seen their books.
Do a search for Warshevsky on wired - this is the self described mogul, the million dollar brain behind club love and the pamela anderson videos. This guy is facing bankruptcy.
Look at the guy who won the 10,000$. This guy ran xpics. xpics was found guilty of credit card fraud amongst other fraudulent activity. This is "success" to you??
Search that soft core rag, salon.com, for their articles on the porn industry. This is _not_ an industry that anyone looking for success will get into if they knew a few facts and they had a few alternatives.
It's an over hyped scam from content to book keeping, every step of the way.
I'm a pornographer. I know how this business works. I know who has the money and who doesnt. I do but that's only because I was around since before even playboy and penthouse put up their shingle on the web.
And dissing someone becuase they may have repurposed some perl code in a new way? Never heard of that? jeez.....
I'm not dissing anyone. I'm telling you that the porn industry is not responsible for a single technological innovation.
You have no way to back up your statements,
That's pretty funny coming from someone who just managed to invent a life for me and to impute all manner of motive and experience.
I got pron off the internet in the late 80s
Yeah, you were one the genius scientists on early tcp/ip systems connected to darpa at 300 baud. I believe you - why not, you sure sound smart. For a staggering idiot, I mean.
Oh, I get it. I've been a web pornographer since the days of shareware winsock. I know exactly what passes for porn technology on the web and I'm telling you all the stuff you mention was established, simple technology at the time you implemented it. I know this because because I _know_ it existed prior the _first_ porn site.
it was not called like this at that time. It didn't even have a name.
That just tells me you, specifically, dont know better. You make extraordinary claims for the things you developped. Please tell me what year you developed them and on what site they were first used. I guarantee you I will find prior art within 5 minutes of looking through my files.
You have cited NOTHING that can be even remotely construed as pushing the envelope, much less inventing it.
It is not innovative to use computers in the porn industry. Sorry.
Some years ago, I lost my job and moved to Paris because of an exciting job offer I had.
It consisted of developing the following in java :
an online distributed secure payment system
a video-broadcasting system using very-low bandwidth but high res-picture
a secure auction system.
So? What's so innovative about some developer writing the same set of apps for the umpteenth time? The fact that you were commisioned to do all this means that it existed already and that they wanted you to replicate existing functionality. Or are you suggesting you invented or even improved the above on their behalf?
So, which new technologies did the pr0n industry bring to the civilized world ?
they beta-tested and stabilized e-commerce
they were among the first to put live media online.
they proved one can make money out of their stuff.
and they were also far more delicate with their co-workers like me than others company for which I later contributed to develop a billing-system.
They didnt do any of those things first or even well. All they did, is use them and stick out in a crowd of other people using them because, well, they show naked people.
All you managed to demonstrate is that pornographers exist on the web.
It's a myth that the porn industry is responsible for anything or that they're even at the cutting, actually. I mean, to take the example of the internet, visit a porn site. Absofuckinglutely nothing there.
So then, by your definition, taking some existing piece of tech and saying "I can make this better", and then doing it, is not innovative?
That would depend on what you mean by 'better.' But do even they do that much? No doubt they've popularized VHS and javascript horrors but they havent improved them one ioata. Give me an example of this better mousetrap you speak of. I cannot think of any. Streaming video? I'll buy you a night out with a hooker if you cite some pornographer in the credits of a codec. There is very little technology in use in the porn industry. It shouldnt be too difficult to find an example of innovation in that death of examples.
I don't think you can deny the porn industry has come up with several of those in their time.
For instance?
Innovation in the porn industry is usually some desparate schmuch looking for an angle and with nothing left to lose. Its not even big porn names that adopt tech, its the usual case of some greaser facing bankruptcy. Pornographers have never been responsible for tech or even the first to adopt new tech. They use established (packaged, usually) tech early and their visibility gives people the exact mistaken impression you have.
I would not be surprised if this guy who claimed the 10,000 on behalf of his banner tracking software did nothing but add minor embellishishments to some pre-existing banner perl script.