Yeah, and then my stomach lurches to the left when thinking about the image of the moon drifting apart... as obviously the lunar construction project must've damaged the ancient Atlantean gravity engines that kept the ball of rock together in the first place.
Thanks for reminding me to update my meta-sig. Sigs about moderation are soooo passe, now. Bitching about or in favor of the war is the "in" thing, now.
Actually, I'm having the opposite reaction. I've always voted Democrat because I felt that voting 3rd party was "a waste of time." Now, thanks to seeing how well the Democrats have rolled over to the Bush administration coupled with the realization that in the last election Bush got over 75% of the vote in my state, I've come to realize that voting for the Democrats is a waste of time. I'm voting 3rd party.
Oh, I'd probably still vote Democrat if I was in a borderline state, but here in deeply Republican-controlled territory, I'm better off supporting a 3rd party getting enough votes to get federal election funding.
Nope. Gasoline is mostly heptane, octane, and other simple carbohydrate chains up to C(11)H(24). Benzene is a simple carbon ring of C(6)H(6) and is very volatile. You can read more about it here. Pay close attention to the second page which talks about which simple hydrocarbon chains go into what kinds of applications. Benzene's volatility means that it wouldn't be filtered out by the refining process (which should also convert it to hexane while we're at it). This cooking process they envision should turn benzene to hexane too, if I recall my organic chemistry correctly.
Actually, in the Discover article, they idly mention how much oil, gas, and water would come out if an average person accidentally fell into the device. My first thought was, "Sweet! Blood for oil!"
They've published April Fools articles before, but I can't remember if they hit the front cover. Back sometime in the 80s they had a story about some sort of arctic variant on the naked mole rat that was able to superheat a bulge on their forehead to melt and quickly burrow their way through ice to hunt pengiuns. A few years back, they had a story about the discovery of the "bigon" a bowling ball sized particle that was caught on a single frame of a camera when a physicist's monitor blew up in the lab that was said to be the missing link in explaining ball lightning and spontaneous human combustion.
I don't know. This seems semi-plausable, but the representatives of the company in the story seem way too starry-eyed about what it can do. I don't see how it's supposed to handle the various toxic metals and chlorinated hydrocarbons in computer motherboards like they claim that it can handle. In fact, I can't think of a single way that this system could handle chlorinated hydrocarbons to keep them out of the mix and avoid having a toxic sludge instead of safely burnable gas.
It's not directly about oil. Oil factors into it, but we aren't there to take it from Iraq. We don't need it as many others have pointed out.
The war is about war. The war is about reconstruction. Both of these things require a lot of money to be spent -- money that will be spent to pay US firms that are friendly to the Bush administration. When the cruise missles and other military supplies that we had in stock are used up, will we sit back and not build more? No. We'll spend taxpayer money on replinishing our supplies "for our defense." This taxpayer money will go to enrich the owners of various military contract companies which have always been in good with conservative politicians. However, you can only spend so much taxpayer money if you want to champion the cause of cutting taxes.
The real cash cow is in Iraq's reconstruction. Look at how the administration is already talking about awarding Haliburton (Cheney's oil company) with the contract to repair Iraq's oil fields and how Congressmen are talking about forcing Qualcomm's CDMA cell phone standard on Iraq instead of the worldwide standard of GSM which is backed by non-US companies. This is where all the real money is. There's a lot of work to do to rebuild Iraq after two US-led wars and a decade of UN sanctions. What companies will get all the contracts to do so? Coallition companies, of course, with US companies taking the lion's share.
The workers who do all the work will be Iraqis, but the management at the top and the shareholders will be largely Americans. How will Iraq pay for all of this reconstruction? Why with the oil that we have many times said "belongs to the Iraqi people." We don't really care who they sell it to afterwards -- we're well-supplied by the rest of the world. However, all the money that comes from selling that oil will go into rebuilding Iraq. After all, they need supplies to rebuild and who better can offer these goods and services to the new government that we install? We're already awarding contracts to US companies to get started doing all this with taxpayer money. Once we're in place we'll be the natural choices for the new goverment to stick with and to pay for with oil.
So, no -- this isn't about going in and taking their oil. While oil isn't the reason we're doing this, oil is what allows us to do this. This will be a shot in the arm to the US economy and to the wealthy heads of companies that members of Bush's administration are so friendly with. Without oil, we wouldn't be talking already about what companies to send in there. Just look at Afghanistan. We could've done the exact same thing there, except that Afghanistan has few readily available natural resources to exploit to foot the bill. Here's pretty much all they've got, and it's not that impressive when you look at the fossil fuel capacity of its neighbors.
Of course, this war is about power too. This war is America's first chance to test the waters in its neoconservative thinkers' agenda of Pax Americana. If we can bring Iraq and the rest of the world to heel, we'll have taken our next step as the world's only remaining superpower to cement our position when China (and maybe India) rise to the world stage next. We're locking down our control of world politics before the Chinese get strong enough to rival and maybe surpass us industrially. While I don't agree with neoconservative politics like that of the Bush administration, I have to admit that it's a ruthlessly pragmatic and logical decision. If we play the "nice guy" on the world stage, we may find ourselves in the #2 position in 20-30 years.
This is exactly why I dislike Direct Connect. It's nothing more than Hotline or Carracho all over again. If you don't already have a ton of stuff to share, you can't participate. It's effectively a slammed-shut door for people starting out.
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Ah, how I wish that./ had a k5-type article submission system.
I used to wish that too, but then I realized that there are pros and cons to a moderated submission queue. For one thing, Slashdot is less self-indulgent and "clique-ish" than k5. For another, the constant "editorial" staff means that/. unlikely to change in character too much -- as an example, there's k5's recent decision to add Fiction as a section, something the site's originator Rusty opposed. Another side-effect is the demagouge and anti-demagouge tendencies of k5 articles. You get a flood of articles in that are blatantly hopping on the bandwagon and playing up common reader dislikes (like the Gulf War explosion) and backlash articles that really only get voted up because they're aggressively trying to cover something, anything else.
Overall, while a few of the editors post any old garbage (pudge), the articles have no actual editorial oversight (like spell-checking) except to add some pithy and often times flamebait comment, and duplicates get posted left and right,/. has some advantages over k5, and I'd hate to see the diversity between the two go away.
Oh, your statistics are correct, but you made it sound as if Iraq counted for 3% of our domestic oil production instead of our imported oil. I was making a joke about that. Check your phrasing there.
Well, of course I'm oversimplifying. I could spend all day laying down the history of Japan from 1868-1945, but I'd rather let others read it from the excellent book I linked to. The transformation of Japanese culture from religious ultra-nationalism during the Taisho and Showa period until the end of the war to the lightly-spiritual secularism of today was a major turning point in Japanese society. The end of WWII marked a change from national religion to humible secularism, expansionism to isoloationism, warmongering to a refusal of all war, acceptance of all who pledge to the emperor as Japanese to light xenophobia, etc. The Japanese culture was literally turned on its ear, but the roots of these changes can clearly be seen by later scholars.
Iraq has many of these roots too. However, Iraq also has the roots of becoming yet another Muslim theocracy. If we go in and then abandon Iraq like we have with Afghanistan, then we could very easily see another radical Muslim regime rise up in its place. Iraq has gotten a lot less secular since GW I and the placing of sanctions. If we aren't careful, we could make them into a government that actually does openly support terrorism against us. If we don't take care to nourish the seeds of democracy, the weed of terrorism and fundamentalism may sprout in its place.
But I digress by returning to the article's topic.
so it would not be terrorism if the whitehouse was bombed by a foreign group?
If the foreign group was a national or international army? No.
I am so sick of hearing the word terrorism misapplied. A terrorist act is one meant to inspire terror in its target. The WTC attack right out of the blue was a terrorist attack. An attack on the White House by foreign agents would not be done to inspire terror, so it would not be a terrorist attack.
It's long, long overdue. It era of political and economic mismanagement that started with Mao's Great Leap Forward has long come to an end. In recent times, thanks to the influence and investment of Hong Kong and Taiwanese businessmen, China is finally industrializing rapidly. (Yes, Taiwanese businessmen are more than willing to work with mainland China's government if it will mean more profits -- especially in the semiconductor industry). China's government leaders are taking a more lax approach to capitalism as long as it means they profit in the end.
China has the labor, the resources, and is rapidly gaining the expertise to rival and surpass even the Japan of the 1980s. When I was in Japan two years ago, my class's economics professor was expressing concern over the increasing willingness of the Japanese to buy Chinese products, knowingly or not, because it was becoming impossible to distinguish between them in quality. This speaks very well of their growth in all areas from textiles to electronics. As a sign of their development, you should know that China's preparing to send men into space and has a moon shot on the table for the future. They've already got unmanned Shenzhou capsules being sent up and tested for eventual manned missions to space. This is not just the propogandistic chestbeating of a country totally incapable of achieving this goal.
It's just inevitable that China will become the industrial powerhouse of the 21st century. All that can happen at this point is that their growth might be delayed. America economic, military, and political planners are all preparing for this one way or another. One of the reasons that we push IP so much is that we need our IP business sectors to be able to carry us in the future when our manufacturing sectors fall behind. The writing has been on the wall since the 80s about this.
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Sure you can. We did it in Japan.
That statement shows a complete ignorance of Japanese history. The seeds of democracy were planted in Japan at the dawn of the Meiji era in 1868, and Japan has had a national congress of legislators since that time period. Even though ultimate power rested with the Emperor the whole time, the seeds of democracy had been planted for over 80 years before the end of WWII in much the same fashion that they had been planted in Britain back in the time of the Magna Carta. Japan was primed and ready for democracy and had slowly been moving that way the whole time. It was only the belief in the divinity of the Emperor that kept the common people from demanding more of a voice faster.
I highly recommend this book if you care about learning more about this time period. It was my college textbook for Modern Japanese History, and it's extremely well written. The politics of the US occupation of Japan and how the Cold War shifted us from tearing them down to building them up as an ally is an utterly fascinating read.
Of course, Iraq isn't without seeds of democracy itself. While they've pretty much had only one party to vote for, the Iraqi people have had an elected congress for quite a while now. It's nothing but a big sham, but it at least gives the people familiarity with voting and a false sense of empowerment that we can use to lay the foundation for real empowerment. It shouldn't be as hard to establish democracy there if we wanted to as it might be in some of Iraq's feudal neighbors. Iran could be a good democracy too if we just deposed the autocratic Muslim judicial branch that they themselves have been agitating to remove. They pretty much already are one with the exception of that branch of the government.
What do you think the hardware vendors are building into their chips to make DRM work better? Did you even read the Transmeta and AMD articles where they specifically talk about putting crypto acceleration into the hardware to assist with Palladium? Do you not know that DRM works by encrypting files and controlling access to them?
Crypto acceleration is a part of making Palladium work from encrypting the data they wish to protect to signing and decrypting the programs needed to run them. RTFA.
Anyone know of a motherboard chipset that does crypto acceleration?
Sure thing, Skipper! In fact, the wonderful, thoughtful people at everybody's favorite company Microsoft have been pushing for on-CPU crypto acceleration very recently! Chip manufacturers from Intel to AMD to Transmeta have all pledged support for this user-friendly scheme that will work hard to improve security on your system.
Don't you feel relieved knowing that we're all getting what we've been asking for?
References, please? I find that most often when people complain about green groups blocking something that would on the surface be in their best interest, they're either lying or misinformed, or they're leaving out important details like that it would destroy a lot of natural habitats to create.
What is the biggest greenhouse gas? CO2 you say? Wrong it is water vapor. That's right good old H2O.
1) Define worse. Methane's actually worse than water at the same levels of concentration. 2) Excess water in the atmosphere takes care of itself. The process is called rain.
If we are going to generate the engery any why not use it directly instead of using it to extract H2 from water?
Hydrogen is merely a battery. You generate all the energy in one spot and distribute it. There are numerous schemes for generating power that can work better than trying to actually make a solar car. My favorite scheme is to build a hydrogen generation station right into a tidal power plant. The power source and the water source are blended into one. Hydroelectric dams work well too.
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At this point I'm so full of rage that I'm punching the cat.
Wow. I'm not really sure whether I hope that's a euphamism or that its not a euphemism!
Yeah, and then my stomach lurches to the left when thinking about the image of the moon drifting apart... as obviously the lunar construction project must've damaged the ancient Atlantean gravity engines that kept the ball of rock together in the first place.
Blech. Movie science.
Thanks for reminding me to update my meta-sig. Sigs about moderation are soooo passe, now. Bitching about or in favor of the war is the "in" thing, now.
Actually, I'm having the opposite reaction. I've always voted Democrat because I felt that voting 3rd party was "a waste of time." Now, thanks to seeing how well the Democrats have rolled over to the Bush administration coupled with the realization that in the last election Bush got over 75% of the vote in my state, I've come to realize that voting for the Democrats is a waste of time. I'm voting 3rd party.
Oh, I'd probably still vote Democrat if I was in a borderline state, but here in deeply Republican-controlled territory, I'm better off supporting a 3rd party getting enough votes to get federal election funding.
Benzene's volatility means that it wouldn't be filtered out by the refining process (which should also convert it to hexane while we're at it).
Make that "...would be filtered out..."
Sorry for the ambiguity.
A good fraction of crude oil is benzyne, right?
Nope. Gasoline is mostly heptane, octane, and other simple carbohydrate chains up to C(11)H(24). Benzene is a simple carbon ring of C(6)H(6) and is very volatile. You can read more about it here. Pay close attention to the second page which talks about which simple hydrocarbon chains go into what kinds of applications. Benzene's volatility means that it wouldn't be filtered out by the refining process (which should also convert it to hexane while we're at it). This cooking process they envision should turn benzene to hexane too, if I recall my organic chemistry correctly.
Auto fuel.. is... PEOPLE!!
Actually, in the Discover article, they idly mention how much oil, gas, and water would come out if an average person accidentally fell into the device. My first thought was, "Sweet! Blood for oil!"
They've published April Fools articles before, but I can't remember if they hit the front cover. Back sometime in the 80s they had a story about some sort of arctic variant on the naked mole rat that was able to superheat a bulge on their forehead to melt and quickly burrow their way through ice to hunt pengiuns. A few years back, they had a story about the discovery of the "bigon" a bowling ball sized particle that was caught on a single frame of a camera when a physicist's monitor blew up in the lab that was said to be the missing link in explaining ball lightning and spontaneous human combustion.
I don't know. This seems semi-plausable, but the representatives of the company in the story seem way too starry-eyed about what it can do. I don't see how it's supposed to handle the various toxic metals and chlorinated hydrocarbons in computer motherboards like they claim that it can handle. In fact, I can't think of a single way that this system could handle chlorinated hydrocarbons to keep them out of the mix and avoid having a toxic sludge instead of safely burnable gas.
It's not directly about oil. Oil factors into it, but we aren't there to take it from Iraq. We don't need it as many others have pointed out.
The war is about war. The war is about reconstruction. Both of these things require a lot of money to be spent -- money that will be spent to pay US firms that are friendly to the Bush administration. When the cruise missles and other military supplies that we had in stock are used up, will we sit back and not build more? No. We'll spend taxpayer money on replinishing our supplies "for our defense." This taxpayer money will go to enrich the owners of various military contract companies which have always been in good with conservative politicians. However, you can only spend so much taxpayer money if you want to champion the cause of cutting taxes.
The real cash cow is in Iraq's reconstruction. Look at how the administration is already talking about awarding Haliburton (Cheney's oil company) with the contract to repair Iraq's oil fields and how Congressmen are talking about forcing Qualcomm's CDMA cell phone standard on Iraq instead of the worldwide standard of GSM which is backed by non-US companies. This is where all the real money is. There's a lot of work to do to rebuild Iraq after two US-led wars and a decade of UN sanctions. What companies will get all the contracts to do so? Coallition companies, of course, with US companies taking the lion's share.
The workers who do all the work will be Iraqis, but the management at the top and the shareholders will be largely Americans. How will Iraq pay for all of this reconstruction? Why with the oil that we have many times said "belongs to the Iraqi people." We don't really care who they sell it to afterwards -- we're well-supplied by the rest of the world. However, all the money that comes from selling that oil will go into rebuilding Iraq. After all, they need supplies to rebuild and who better can offer these goods and services to the new government that we install? We're already awarding contracts to US companies to get started doing all this with taxpayer money. Once we're in place we'll be the natural choices for the new goverment to stick with and to pay for with oil.
So, no -- this isn't about going in and taking their oil. While oil isn't the reason we're doing this, oil is what allows us to do this. This will be a shot in the arm to the US economy and to the wealthy heads of companies that members of Bush's administration are so friendly with. Without oil, we wouldn't be talking already about what companies to send in there. Just look at Afghanistan. We could've done the exact same thing there, except that Afghanistan has few readily available natural resources to exploit to foot the bill. Here's pretty much all they've got, and it's not that impressive when you look at the fossil fuel capacity of its neighbors.
Of course, this war is about power too. This war is America's first chance to test the waters in its neoconservative thinkers' agenda of Pax Americana. If we can bring Iraq and the rest of the world to heel, we'll have taken our next step as the world's only remaining superpower to cement our position when China (and maybe India) rise to the world stage next. We're locking down our control of world politics before the Chinese get strong enough to rival and maybe surpass us industrially. While I don't agree with neoconservative politics like that of the Bush administration, I have to admit that it's a ruthlessly pragmatic and logical decision. If we play the "nice guy" on the world stage, we may find ourselves in the #2 position in 20-30 years.
This is exactly why I dislike Direct Connect. It's nothing more than Hotline or Carracho all over again. If you don't already have a ton of stuff to share, you can't participate. It's effectively a slammed-shut door for people starting out.
Ah, how I wish that ./ had a k5-type article submission system.
/. unlikely to change in character too much -- as an example, there's k5's recent decision to add Fiction as a section, something the site's originator Rusty opposed. Another side-effect is the demagouge and anti-demagouge tendencies of k5 articles. You get a flood of articles in that are blatantly hopping on the bandwagon and playing up common reader dislikes (like the Gulf War explosion) and backlash articles that really only get voted up because they're aggressively trying to cover something, anything else.
/. has some advantages over k5, and I'd hate to see the diversity between the two go away.
I used to wish that too, but then I realized that there are pros and cons to a moderated submission queue. For one thing, Slashdot is less self-indulgent and "clique-ish" than k5. For another, the constant "editorial" staff means that
Overall, while a few of the editors post any old garbage (pudge), the articles have no actual editorial oversight (like spell-checking) except to add some pithy and often times flamebait comment, and duplicates get posted left and right,
You don't happen to mean this drinking game do you?
Oh, your statistics are correct, but you made it sound as if Iraq counted for 3% of our domestic oil production instead of our imported oil. I was making a joke about that. Check your phrasing there.
Well, of course I'm oversimplifying. I could spend all day laying down the history of Japan from 1868-1945, but I'd rather let others read it from the excellent book I linked to. The transformation of Japanese culture from religious ultra-nationalism during the Taisho and Showa period until the end of the war to the lightly-spiritual secularism of today was a major turning point in Japanese society. The end of WWII marked a change from national religion to humible secularism, expansionism to isoloationism, warmongering to a refusal of all war, acceptance of all who pledge to the emperor as Japanese to light xenophobia, etc. The Japanese culture was literally turned on its ear, but the roots of these changes can clearly be seen by later scholars.
Iraq has many of these roots too. However, Iraq also has the roots of becoming yet another Muslim theocracy. If we go in and then abandon Iraq like we have with Afghanistan, then we could very easily see another radical Muslim regime rise up in its place. Iraq has gotten a lot less secular since GW I and the placing of sanctions. If we aren't careful, we could make them into a government that actually does openly support terrorism against us. If we don't take care to nourish the seeds of democracy, the weed of terrorism and fundamentalism may sprout in its place.
But I digress by returning to the article's topic.
so it would not be terrorism if the whitehouse was bombed by a foreign group?
If the foreign group was a national or international army? No.
I am so sick of hearing the word terrorism misapplied. A terrorist act is one meant to inspire terror in its target. The WTC attack right out of the blue was a terrorist attack. An attack on the White House by foreign agents would not be done to inspire terror, so it would not be a terrorist attack.
It's long, long overdue. It era of political and economic mismanagement that started with Mao's Great Leap Forward has long come to an end. In recent times, thanks to the influence and investment of Hong Kong and Taiwanese businessmen, China is finally industrializing rapidly. (Yes, Taiwanese businessmen are more than willing to work with mainland China's government if it will mean more profits -- especially in the semiconductor industry). China's government leaders are taking a more lax approach to capitalism as long as it means they profit in the end.
China has the labor, the resources, and is rapidly gaining the expertise to rival and surpass even the Japan of the 1980s. When I was in Japan two years ago, my class's economics professor was expressing concern over the increasing willingness of the Japanese to buy Chinese products, knowingly or not, because it was becoming impossible to distinguish between them in quality. This speaks very well of their growth in all areas from textiles to electronics. As a sign of their development, you should know that China's preparing to send men into space and has a moon shot on the table for the future. They've already got unmanned Shenzhou capsules being sent up and tested for eventual manned missions to space. This is not just the propogandistic chestbeating of a country totally incapable of achieving this goal.
It's just inevitable that China will become the industrial powerhouse of the 21st century. All that can happen at this point is that their growth might be delayed. America economic, military, and political planners are all preparing for this one way or another. One of the reasons that we push IP so much is that we need our IP business sectors to be able to carry us in the future when our manufacturing sectors fall behind. The writing has been on the wall since the 80s about this.
Sure you can. We did it in Japan.
That statement shows a complete ignorance of Japanese history. The seeds of democracy were planted in Japan at the dawn of the Meiji era in 1868, and Japan has had a national congress of legislators since that time period. Even though ultimate power rested with the Emperor the whole time, the seeds of democracy had been planted for over 80 years before the end of WWII in much the same fashion that they had been planted in Britain back in the time of the Magna Carta. Japan was primed and ready for democracy and had slowly been moving that way the whole time. It was only the belief in the divinity of the Emperor that kept the common people from demanding more of a voice faster.
I highly recommend this book if you care about learning more about this time period. It was my college textbook for Modern Japanese History, and it's extremely well written. The politics of the US occupation of Japan and how the Cold War shifted us from tearing them down to building them up as an ally is an utterly fascinating read.
Of course, Iraq isn't without seeds of democracy itself. While they've pretty much had only one party to vote for, the Iraqi people have had an elected congress for quite a while now. It's nothing but a big sham, but it at least gives the people familiarity with voting and a false sense of empowerment that we can use to lay the foundation for real empowerment. It shouldn't be as hard to establish democracy there if we wanted to as it might be in some of Iraq's feudal neighbors. Iran could be a good democracy too if we just deposed the autocratic Muslim judicial branch that they themselves have been agitating to remove. They pretty much already are one with the exception of that branch of the government.
Hey did you know the US gets %55 of its oil domestically?
Hey did you know that Iraq only accounts for %3 of that?
Hey, hey. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...
What do you think the hardware vendors are building into their chips to make DRM work better? Did you even read the Transmeta and AMD articles where they specifically talk about putting crypto acceleration into the hardware to assist with Palladium? Do you not know that DRM works by encrypting files and controlling access to them?
Crypto acceleration is a part of making Palladium work from encrypting the data they wish to protect to signing and decrypting the programs needed to run them. RTFA.
Anyone know of a motherboard chipset that does crypto acceleration?
Sure thing, Skipper! In fact, the wonderful, thoughtful people at everybody's favorite company Microsoft have been pushing for on-CPU crypto acceleration very recently! Chip manufacturers from Intel to AMD to Transmeta have all pledged support for this user-friendly scheme that will work hard to improve security on your system.
Don't you feel relieved knowing that we're all getting what we've been asking for?
I hope it's not the Chick-Fil-A Cow! All we need is to see a Cow wearing a sandwich board that says "BUY MOR KOMPUTURS."
References, please? I find that most often when people complain about green groups blocking something that would on the surface be in their best interest, they're either lying or misinformed, or they're leaving out important details like that it would destroy a lot of natural habitats to create.
Yup, in the future we will all have frying cars.
You know, there are some people who fervently believe that.
What is the biggest greenhouse gas? CO2 you say? Wrong it is water vapor. That's right good old H2O.
1) Define worse. Methane's actually worse than water at the same levels of concentration.
2) Excess water in the atmosphere takes care of itself. The process is called rain.
If we are going to generate the engery any why not use it directly instead of using it to extract H2 from water?
Hydrogen is merely a battery. You generate all the energy in one spot and distribute it. There are numerous schemes for generating power that can work better than trying to actually make a solar car. My favorite scheme is to build a hydrogen generation station right into a tidal power plant. The power source and the water source are blended into one. Hydroelectric dams work well too.