I was actually at this and I have to say, he actually did make a couple of good points. It was interesting that there were a few chuckles in the crowd when he suggested the T1's in the home, but there were a large number of vendors pushing DSL, which would provide the equivelant of a T1's bandwidth. Besides, we all can dream, well, except for Bill Gates that is(I don't think the Borg dream).
BTW, almost all of the original Protestant reformers were originally within the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). They were cast out in ex-communication, or left on their own to follow out the meaning of the new world-view they had chosen. They started something fresh and new. Thus, it cannot be strictly said that the RCC attempts to suppress them were attempts at internal censorship.
In matters of moral authority a Biblically compromised church leadership has undermined itself and has no basis for valid self-censorship. (OK. Covered my bases now).
I agree that it would be difficult to trust an organization that censors others outside of itself. However, an organization may be within its innate rights if it censors itself. for example, a voluntary organization like a church denomination could censor itself. I am a pastor, and I can assure you that it would cross the bounds of morality if, in a church school for example, which presents itself as having certain moral standards, pornographic materials were permitted.
However, we should remember that information in general should not be censored. The Protestant reformation brought us what was basically an "open-sourcing" of religion. Instead of being controlled by a closed-heirarchy of leaders, the Bible was brought into the open and all people could make their belief-choices based on their own interpretation of a Biblically-consistent worldview as they saw it.
The trouble with censoring such things as "hate speech" is that someone out there is defining hate-speech and there is no guarantee (nor likelihood!) that what he defines as hate-speech is wrong. I can look at Bible prophecy and with a knowledge of history clearly identify the beast of Revelation 13:1-10 as the Roman Catholic Church. But if you call that hate speech and censor it out, does that mean it is not true?
In my own way, I rather hope there is no such thing as the Second Coming...
...because I am quite convinced at this point that were Jesus actually to come back, the modern-day verstions of Pharisees (aka the Religious Reich) and the guvmint would find Yet Another way to off the poor guy for the crime of telling people to be nice to each other every once in awhile, and 2000 years from now we'd all be wearing little golden M-16s or electric chairs around our necks.:P
My two pence on that, anyways...
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Posted by Usak0:
oh oh oh oh oh. I miss Joel so much. Mike, just, isn't the same. bah, actors.
Maybe not all windows user's are twits, but the vast majority are. They don't code, they don't develop code, and they don't give back to the community. ---- So what? Why should they? To most people a computer is just a TOOL not a way of life.
They've made provisions to mirror the new slackware! metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware has two directories, one 3.6/ and one current/. current/ is empty right now, but I'm sure in the morning there'll be some files. Rock on SunSite/Metalab! I love those guys!
The comparison between concrete and abstract things was disingenuous and one-sided.
In summary, the article says that if I grow an ear of corn, and someone else takes it, they interfere with *my* ability to eat it. On the other hand, if I design a steam engine, and someone else uses my design to build a steam engine, that doesn't in any way interfere with my ability to also build steam engines. In other words many people can use an abstract thing at once. Therefore, the article concludes, unlike concrete things like ears of corn, it doesn't make sense for abstract things, like steam-engine designs, to be property.
The problem with this is that it ignores the fact that in some ways, abstract and concrete things are the same. Something like a steam-engine design doesn't just pop into one's head. It takes years of research and development to create. Once I've created it, someone with much more resources than me could take my design, produce lots of steam engines, and sell them, depriving me of the ability to benefit from my labor. In this sense, it's no different then if they'd taken away my ears of corn.
This is in fact what would happen without copyrights: large companies like Microsoft or Ford would simply hunt around for useful inventions, and use their resources to mass-produce and market the products without giving any credit or reward to the people who invented them.
Unless Van Horn can include this similarity between concrete and abstract things in his comparison, his comparison seems disingenuous and academic.
>The thing that really annoys me about Oracle >though is that they don't publish their list of >known bugs; instead, you have to be bitten by a >bug first before they'll admit that they know >about it and supply you with a patch.
Erm... you can search Oracle's problem database at http://technet.oracle.com. (You have to join, but it's free.)
mst3k got a kick in the butt when joel left. when the doctor and tv's frank left it died.
and i have media one (in south east michigan) and i get scifi and comidy centeral. but no the cartoon network the preview chan says i should have it don't (not bitter at all about that one =|)- ) -- Ben IRC: SUidRoot
It would appear as though you can still install Slackware 4.0 beta on a 4 meg machine. All you need is the lowmem.i. And for those who wonder about Slack being glibc based I quote from the www.slackware.com FAQ.
Q: Will the next version be based on glibc2 or libc5?
Slackware-current is still based on libc-5.4.46, and there may well be one more official Slackware release based on libc5. A glibc-2.1 based version of Slackware is in the works, but getting a stable version out with the 2.2.x kernel and KDE-1.1 may end up taking priority. Slackware 3.6(and -current) do contain runtime support for glibc2.
CmdrTaco's Idea is brilliant. I suggest though to allow a moderator only to post a +1 or a -1 vote. This would give somthing like an unweighted majority decision and there wouldn't be a problem of someone dissing a comment with -1000 or what.
Nobody will be able to convince me that Stephen King should not profit from the stories he writes; After all, it is his life's work and the product of his 'tormented' mind. The same thing is true for Led Zepplin's 'Stairway' and the obviously deserve some control over it's use otherwise, the work could be tarnished.
An idea is born from one's mind or perhaps even from one's soul. In a very real essence, the original idea is the ultimate expression of one's self. Can you think of anything that would better represent who you really are than your own ideas? I can't.
But there is another component. We are all products of other people's ideas. Someone had to have the idea to begin to speak, someone else had to start written languages. English evolved from other aincent languages and the same can be said for programming languages. To see how ideas are borrowed and improved on just look at the evolution of the automobile in the past 100 years.
The ability to borrow from someone's idea and build on it is crucial to our ability as a society to advance. But in all fairness, "credit where credit is due" is also a pretty important concept. This is why I like the concept of open source, you can see that both ideals are honored in it.
Linus has been given the credit he is due but legions of people have grabbed on to the product of his labors and have used it in ways that he would have never envisioned! Each person gives a little and gets a lot. That is the way that it ought to work.
Having said all that, I think that there are times when ownership of an idea (by way of patent or copyright) is necessary. It is not immoral to profit from one's ideas, it is the way the world works. If you are a company that has spent tens of thousands of dollars developing something, you do not want you competition to get it just by downloading it from your server or website. If they happen to get a copy of it somehow, yud deserve to be able to go after them.
This is one of those cases where both sides are righ and nobody is wrong. It just so happens that it is hard to get both positions to work in the same instance. Kinda like the republicans and the democrats. Maybe the software industry needs someone like Jesse Ventura to come along and shake things into shape.
>No. the synapse interstice (the space between >terminals buttons and dendrites) is a constant, or >almost. It's just a required space to free some >neurotransmitters. You can't change that, and it >does'nt really matter for bandwith.
Hmm, wasn't Hebb's theory on neural learning based on the observation that these distances change? Maybe I should s/observation/assumption, but Hebbian learning is the basis for computer neural nets (at least the backpropogation ones)
I live in europe, how am i gonna sue some spammer in Germany or US ? For the moment in Europe you can't win a trial as easily as in the US and got damage compensation that huge... As for a guy that sued his hairdresserand won 2 Million $.. forgot where I read it... well even if not true(forgive me if I'm wrong, I don't really know any other law than my countries
I think thats what makes slashdot so popular...not that it is a portal..not that its a bbs...not that its pretty...its because all of them work together, so a reader feels as if they helped on slashdot in some way
Just to straighten the facts out here. CD vending machines are available here in the US not just Korea. I work for a CD reseller and those vending machines have been advertising in the industry catalogs for many months now.
But they do not burn a CD for you. They are basically just like candy vending machines only with speakers. No custom CDs.
For the record, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) does NOT promote Polygamy or Pedophilia. AFAIK, pedophilia has NEVER been promoted by the Church, while polygamy has not been practiced or promoted by the Church in about 100 years.
As far as why the site was blocked in the first place, I can find a great many references in the Book of Mormon (as well as in the Bible, for that matter) that refer to "asses", "pissing against a wall", etc., all of which could be the subject of an automated censorship sweep.
Combine this with stories of, for example, a man "spilling his seed on the ground" (and, no, we're not talkin' pumpkin seeds here), and you get a great deal of potentially-offensive material.
Read either book (or both, if you have time), and you'll see a lot more examples.
Slashdot Mirror
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
That's the most important thing...
Posted by Big Bad Daddy:
I was actually at this and I have to say, he actually did make a couple of good points. It was interesting that there were a few chuckles in the crowd when he suggested the T1's in the home, but there were a large number of vendors pushing DSL, which would provide the equivelant of a T1's bandwidth. Besides, we all can dream, well, except for Bill Gates that is(I don't think the Borg dream).
Posted by Drogue:
BTW, almost all of the original Protestant reformers were originally within the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). They were cast out in ex-communication, or left on their own to follow out the meaning of the new world-view they had chosen. They started something fresh and new. Thus, it cannot be strictly said that the RCC attempts to suppress them were attempts at internal censorship.
In matters of moral authority a Biblically compromised church leadership has undermined itself and has no basis for valid self-censorship. (OK. Covered my bases now).
Posted by Drogue:
I agree that it would be difficult to trust an organization that censors others outside of itself. However, an organization may be within its innate rights if it censors itself. for example, a voluntary organization like a church denomination could censor itself. I am a pastor, and I can assure you that it would cross the bounds of morality if, in a church school for example, which presents itself as having certain moral standards, pornographic materials were permitted.
However, we should remember that information in general should not be censored. The Protestant reformation brought us what was basically an "open-sourcing" of religion. Instead of being controlled by a closed-heirarchy of leaders, the Bible was brought into the open and all people could make their belief-choices based on their own interpretation of a Biblically-consistent worldview as they saw it.
The trouble with censoring such things as "hate speech" is that someone out there is defining hate-speech and there is no guarantee (nor likelihood!) that what he defines as hate-speech is wrong. I can look at Bible prophecy and with a knowledge of history clearly identify the beast of Revelation 13:1-10 as the Roman Catholic Church. But if you call that hate speech and censor it out, does that mean it is not true?
In my own way, I rather hope there is no such thing as the Second Coming...
...because I am quite convinced at this point that were Jesus actually to come back, the modern-day verstions of Pharisees (aka the Religious Reich) and the guvmint would find Yet Another way to off the poor guy for the crime of telling people to be nice to each other every once in awhile, and 2000 years from now we'd all be wearing little golden M-16s or electric chairs around our necks. :P
My two pence on that, anyways...
Posted by Usak0:
oh oh oh oh oh.
I miss Joel so much. Mike, just, isn't the same.
bah, actors.
Posted by AndyRew:
Ummm, debian is a non-profit organization, ran by voluteers.
-Andrew
Posted by dwarin:
Did anyone succesfully view the Bunny mpeg clip that can be downloaded from the Bunny site?
I downloaded it and tried to view it with xanim 2.70.7.0, and all xanim does is print an endless stream of
MPG_UNK CODE: e0
MPG_UNK CODE: e0
MPG_UNK CODE: e0
MPG_UNK CODE: e0
MPG_UNK CODE: e0
MPG_UNK CODE: e0
...
If you did view it, what did you use? Thanks in advance.
- Adam
ajenkins@netway.com
Posted by SpecialEdward:
Maybe not all windows user's are twits, but the
vast majority are. They don't code, they don't develop code, and they don't give back to the community.
----
So what? Why should they? To most people a computer is just a TOOL not a way of life.
Posted by stu vanderhoffenstoffen:
They've made provisions to mirror the new slackware! metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware has two directories, one 3.6/ and one current/. current/ is empty right now, but I'm sure in the morning there'll be some files. Rock on SunSite/Metalab! I love those guys!
Posted by dwarin:
I agree with you that
That is as much their right [to create a
similar idea] as selling info is yours.
The problem comes when someone can copyright an
idea, thereby preventing others from selling their
own similar ideas.
Posted by dwarin:
The comparison between concrete and abstract
things was disingenuous and one-sided.
In summary, the article says that if I grow an
ear of corn, and someone else takes it, they
interfere with *my* ability to eat it. On the
other hand, if I design a steam engine, and
someone else uses my design to build a steam
engine, that doesn't in any way interfere with
my ability to also build steam engines. In
other words many people can use an abstract
thing at once. Therefore, the article
concludes, unlike concrete things like ears
of corn, it doesn't make sense for abstract
things, like steam-engine designs, to be
property.
The problem with this is that it ignores the
fact that in some ways, abstract and concrete
things are the same. Something like a
steam-engine design doesn't just pop into one's
head. It takes years of research and
development to create. Once I've created it,
someone with much more resources than me could
take my design, produce lots of steam engines,
and sell them, depriving me of the ability to
benefit from my labor. In this sense, it's no
different then if they'd taken away my ears of
corn.
This is in fact what would happen without
copyrights: large companies like Microsoft or
Ford would simply hunt around for useful
inventions, and use their resources to
mass-produce and market the products without
giving any credit or reward to the people who
invented them.
Unless Van Horn can include this similarity
between concrete and abstract things in his
comparison, his comparison seems disingenuous
and academic.
Posted by T_X_N:
a pal of mine said
"Protect the easily affended....Ban Everything"
Posted by revdoc:
>The thing that really annoys me about Oracle
>though is that they don't publish their list of
>known bugs; instead, you have to be bitten by a
>bug first before they'll admit that they know
>about it and supply you with a patch.
Erm... you can search Oracle's problem database at http://technet.oracle.com. (You have to join, but it's free.)
Posted by Locutus of Borg:
mst3k got a kick in the butt when joel left. when the doctor and tv's frank left it died.
and i have media one (in south east michigan) and i get scifi and comidy centeral. but no the cartoon network the preview chan says i should have it don't (not bitter at all about that one =|)- )
--
Ben
IRC: SUidRoot
Posted by MattSullivan:
It would appear as though you can still install Slackware 4.0 beta on a 4 meg machine. All you need is the lowmem.i. And for those who wonder about Slack being glibc based I quote from the www.slackware.com FAQ.
Q: Will the next version be based on glibc2 or libc5?
Slackware-current is still based on libc-5.4.46, and there may well be one more official Slackware release based on libc5. A glibc-2.1 based version of Slackware is in the works, but getting a stable version out with the 2.2.x kernel and KDE-1.1 may end up taking priority. Slackware 3.6(and -current) do contain runtime support for glibc2.
Posted by tpo:
CmdrTaco's Idea is brilliant. I suggest though to allow a moderator only to post a +1 or a -1 vote.
This would give somthing like an unweighted majority decision and there wouldn't be a problem of someone dissing a comment with -1000 or what.
Posted by wadageek:
Nobody will be able to convince me that Stephen King should not profit from the stories he writes; After all, it is his life's work and the product of his 'tormented' mind. The same thing is true for Led Zepplin's 'Stairway' and the obviously deserve some control over it's use otherwise, the work could be tarnished.
An idea is born from one's mind or perhaps even from one's soul. In a very real essence, the original idea is the ultimate expression of one's self. Can you think of anything that would better represent who you really are than your own ideas? I can't.
But there is another component. We are all products of other people's ideas. Someone had to have the idea to begin to speak, someone else had to start written languages. English evolved from other aincent languages and the same can be said for programming languages. To see how ideas are borrowed and improved on just look at the evolution of the automobile in the past 100 years.
The ability to borrow from someone's idea and build on it is crucial to our ability as a society to advance. But in all fairness, "credit where credit is due" is also a pretty important concept. This is why I like the concept of open source, you can see that both ideals are honored in it.
Linus has been given the credit he is due but legions of people have grabbed on to the product of his labors and have used it in ways that he would have never envisioned! Each person gives a little and gets a lot. That is the way that it ought to work.
Having said all that, I think that there are times when ownership of an idea (by way of patent or copyright) is necessary. It is not immoral to profit from one's ideas, it is the way the world works. If you are a company that has spent tens of thousands of dollars developing something, you do not want you competition to get it just by downloading it from your server or website. If they happen to get a copy of it somehow, yud deserve to be able to go after them.
This is one of those cases where both sides are righ and nobody is wrong. It just so happens that it is hard to get both positions to work in the same instance. Kinda like the republicans and the democrats. Maybe the software industry needs someone like Jesse Ventura to come along and shake things into shape.
Posted by Saurus:
The taboo: Writing freeware that only runs on proprietary operating systems. If it also ran on open source OS's then it'd be ok.
Posted by Phantom of the Operating Syste:
>No. the synapse interstice (the space between >terminals buttons and dendrites) is a constant, or >almost. It's just a required space to free some >neurotransmitters. You can't change that, and it >does'nt really matter for bandwith.
Hmm, wasn't Hebb's theory on neural learning based on the observation that these distances change? Maybe I should s/observation/assumption, but Hebbian learning is the basis for computer neural nets (at least the backpropogation ones)
-phantom
Posted by Kwizatz Aderach:
I live in europe, how am i gonna sue some spammer in Germany or US ? For the moment in Europe you can't win a trial as easily as in the US and got damage compensation that huge...
As for a guy that sued his hairdresserand won 2 Million $.. forgot where I read it... well even if not true(forgive me if I'm wrong, I don't really know any other law than my countries
I think thats what makes slashdot so popular...not that it is a portal..not that its a bbs...not that its pretty...its because all of them work together, so a reader feels as if they helped on slashdot in some way
Posted by Kwizatz Aderach:
Until now i was at least able to filter spam... Now I will have to feed 500 sheets a day to my printer... Cool...
Posted by potatoe_girl:
Just to straighten the facts out here. CD vending machines are available here in the US not just Korea. I work for a CD reseller and those vending machines have been advertising in the industry catalogs for many months now.
But they do not burn a CD for you. They are basically just like candy vending machines only with speakers. No custom CDs.
Posted by Ominous the Foreboding:
For the record, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) does NOT promote Polygamy or Pedophilia. AFAIK, pedophilia has NEVER been promoted by the Church, while polygamy has not been practiced or promoted by the Church in about 100 years.
As far as why the site was blocked in the first place, I can find a great many references in the Book of Mormon (as well as in the Bible, for that matter) that refer to "asses", "pissing against a wall", etc., all of which could be the subject of an automated censorship sweep.
Combine this with stories of, for example, a man "spilling his seed on the ground" (and, no, we're not talkin' pumpkin seeds here), and you get a great deal of potentially-offensive material.
Read either book (or both, if you have time), and you'll see a lot more examples.