>o, while I'm glad to hear of IBM's efforts, >I'm dubious about the need for another JDK 1.1.x >port. Particularly one with such a low version >number. There are a number of critical bugs in >JDK 1.1.6 (e.g., the "contains()" and "inside()" >snafu fixed only in 1.2 and 1.1.8), that are >likely repeated in this port. (Perhaps I'm wrong; >but then why not version the package up to >1.1.8?)
With OS/2 I'm officially still using Netscape 4.04 but it still includes security etc. fixes included to Netscape releases with little higher version-number like (4.05-4.07)...
Maybe same will also happen with JDK 1.16 for linux when IBM will release final version of it.
Mika
Btw. of friday IBM also released JDK 1.18 beta for OS/2 and this package contains some stuff from JDK 1.2... (And with this package comes with some other extra goodies like ICAT source debugger which is heavily used also by device-driver developers...) devi
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Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
The K5PR-166 ran at 116 mhz. It was 66mhz bus with a 1.75 multiplier. Even though you set the jumpers on the MB to a 2.5 multiplyer the chip only ran at a 116 mhz core speed. Just as a 1.5 multiplier is the same as a 3.5, the 2.5 only does 1.75 on the K5PR-166.
Don't get me wrong, I like AMD. I just bought a K62-450 last week and I think it's sweet, but they better do a bang up job on the K7.
>>..either by physically entering the state, or by otherwise having "minimal contacts" within the state.
This is exactly my point, this definition is too ambiguous. This is the portion that the SC will deal with. When I urinate in the woods a portion of that urine evaporates and could possibly blow all across the US, once it enters the other state that is a type of "minimal contact".
>>You appear to be unable to distinguish a crime and a tort, as well (a common problem amongst uneducated American citizens).
You appear to be unable to stick to the issue instead of resorting to insults (a common problem amongst the immature)?
Today we lay to rest the memory of a man who took part in giving to us all a piece of our young and once young imaginations. I can still hear the phrase, "He's dead, Jim" in every possible tone it could be said. The phrase continously echos through my head, and some how ironically it is so suiting for the moment.
So in tribute one last time to the good doctor we say... "HE'S DEAD, JIM!"
Why use thousands of antiquated CPUs? Wouldn't it be better to build a multi register CPU similar to MMX but on a scale in the thousands? So what if the chip density isn't.18 microns, say it's.35 and the wafer is one inch square. The added benefit of proximity and architectural design along with the new machine code(software) would make ground breaking research. This use of clunky CPUs doesn't impress me. The Mercede will use multiple registers and execution units and will do more for the development of parallel processing software research than any of the listed supercomputers!
[Somewhat offtopic]: Hey, these articles aren't scored. Kinda strange for/. Perhaps there are not too many moderators for Java issues? I had to adjust visibility to read the threads--many of which rise above the pissing war of language vs. language, Java vs. C, Java vs. Godzilla, etc..
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I was glad to see yet another 1.1.x port to Linux. However, I wonder how useful this port can be. Consider that it lacks byte coder verification of the class files found in the CLASSPATH. (Note: I assume IBM of all companies followed the white paper on this and didn't change the primordial class loader.)
Consider that it lacks the fine-grained policy provided by JDK 1.2. Consider that the classloaders are limited to URL and sandbox models. Consider that it lacks good JFC support. (Yes, yes, I realize you can just path the swingall.jar libs, but the speed is terrible, even if the bug pathes from Sun precede those of JDK 1.2.2; other people might disagree, but I don't find non-optimized Swing a viable alternative. Plus, there's no Java accessibility, glasgow, etc.)
This is not to fault IBM; they've done wonderful work with Java, and appear to be serious about linux as well. Instead, these are just limitations in the 1.1.x VM--among many others.
So, while I'm glad to hear of IBM's efforts, I'm dubious about the need for another JDK 1.1.x port. Particularly one with such a low version number. There are a number of critical bugs in JDK 1.1.6 (e.g., the "contains()" and "inside()" snafu fixed only in 1.2 and 1.1.8), that are likely repeated in this port. (Perhaps I'm wrong; but then why not version the package up to 1.1.8?)
Let's look at the field of 1.1 VM so far, according at least to FSF's tally:
BISS AWT - A Java framework for building graphical applications.
Kaffe - A virtual machine to run Java bytecodes. For many architectures, "just-in-time" native code generation is supported.
Kiev - A compiler that extends and unites the Java and Prolog languages.
Classpath - Essential libraries for supporting the Java language.
SableCC - An object-oriented framework that generates compilers (and interpreters) in the Java language.
All of these distros are capable 1.1.x compliant VMs. I was glad to see them when they arrived. But they all lack many of the key improvements in the 1.2 VM:
automatic non-classpath byte code verification.
RMI that doesn't hog port 1099, and can be tweaked with a security policy
speaking of security, the boolean sandbox model in 1.1.x is either too restrictive or too liberal for e-ware. JDK 1.2's fine-grained policies are needed to do anything non-trivial in Linux java
I could list this stuff all day
It strikes me that without javax support for crypto, security, non-port-specific RMI, and other "enterprise enabling" packages, the 1.1.x ports are not that helpful. Of course, someone wanting to make a nice GUI or web client can use the IBM port. (For that matter, why not use blackdown's more mature port?)
So, while we should welcome this distro, I think the Linux Java community needs to press for a good 1.2 VM. (I.e., our debug and testing cycles should be applied to, say jdk1.2pre2 from blackdown, so that thread safety, RMI, drag and drop and other "e-features" start working right.) It's great the IBM has a 1.1.x distro, but it comes kinda late.
I'm sure IBM could amaze us all with a good JDK 1.2 linux port. It would be nice to see the speed that the 2.2 kernel has over Windows fully exploited in a good port.
[Note: Again, I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth; it's just that we need something stronger than yet another horse.]
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Recording of the dinner presentation available
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Posted by DanTucny:
A recording made of the dinner presentation on the K7 where these latest performance figures were announced is available from JC's ( www.jc-news.com/pc), it is in Real Audio format and has a few mirrors available... Of course, you've probably already been there and heard it:)
You've got total empathy from me, when it comes to bad management, and what they do to creative minds. However, that's a part of reality. It's good that you left RH, because their corporate culture, and your personality are a titanic clash. The guy who bore down hard on you has the unfortunate fate of not working with someone as talented as you.
You've got to understand one thing though. The "corporate" managers, who are nothing more than a pack of loud-mouth,annonying sales types, don't comprehend what Linux is all about. And the reality is that they never will. Their goal in life is to get a job, and get by through pretense, and managerial appeasement.
You are above that, and every decision you make, is always in your benefit. Best of luck in your endeavors, and thanks for the great work you've done.
I really suggest changing your distro. Personally I just bought SuSE 6.1, and have been very pleased. Most of the system configuration is contained in one file, not in cryptic psuedo-userfriendly program. Not that redhat or any of the other distros suck, it's just that I like to have everything in one place.
an open forum? an open forum with anonymouse posting.. you really expect consideration here.. there are vultures here who kill for the sport, not for the food.
I will remember Star Trek forever.. it really was a show about people, about the future, not future technology.. a lot of the story could have been in the 1800's and it would have still made sense.
It was one of the few shows I've seen where the people actually try to be human, and Dr. McCoy was one of the most human of all of them. He will be missed, may we get blessed with more like him.
He's just another developer leaving another company. So he has public visibility purely because its RedHat. So what? These things happen every day. Get used to it and get on with your life.
If you hadn't worked out by now, the longer and bitter the slanging match, the uglier it gets. The more you bitch and swap public responses, the lower you go in my esteem. Its a sad cliche, but let your code do the talking.
If your website is not high capacity, you should be okay. By high capacity I mean over 10 million hits a day. Hence Slashdot is not high capacity. If Slashdot got 10 million hits a day you would watch Rob's little world melt down into a puddle of pee - MySQL and mod_perl would meltdown big time.
If you are exceeding 10 million hits a day, avoid hitting a database. You're going to slam the machine in no time. Go for static pages or Apache SSI unless you truly need complex pages built out of a DB. Even then you can usually fudge it with static pages.
Your DBA who wants everything in Oracle should ask himself how much he wants Larry Ellison to control his destiny. Most old timers I know would like to minimize their debt to Oracle.
Is it really that interesting as to why this guy quit his job?
It seems like we're really obsessing over what is largely a personal matter. I have no idea why these people set up rant pages when they leave their jobs. How tacky.
MSSQL "rox" at what? Not providing basic features like large page sizes and query-embeddable user-defined functions?
I'm researching what to use for a midsize datawarehouse-esque DB and MS got the axe immediately in a totally objective feature comparison. That's before we talk about uptimes and speed. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Everyone who has tried tying Oracle to a live, high-capacity system on the web ultimately has learned this lesson.
You can squack all you want about what you think you know about Oracle, but the proof is in the pudding. Remember when Excite's home page used to give you an Oracle error??
Lycos is going down this road now too - trust me, they'll be sorry.
I am not talking out my ass, I work at a company that has learned this lesson on a high capacity site.
I guess it is possible that another OS can, under certain conditions, fail. Of course, given my experiences with NT Server, I think it would be insane to put an NT server under those types of load conditions.
Any of y'all out there running Linux with the types of loads eBay has been experiencing?
And two other observations:
1) One wishes that Microsoft was as perceptive about their OS' flaws as they are about Solaris.
2) I'm just a wannabe anyway, what the hell do I know?
I see that eBay's share price has dropped sharply today. Related? -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
I find it interesting when people make comment of laws being passed against internet mischef to be a blow to free speech. If people are going to make reference to a constitutional principle it should actually apply to the situation. Not every Internet regulating law deals with freedom of speech. In this incident it's more like a trespassing issue than a freedom of speech issue.
To spam or not to spam this is the question, cmon give me a break. That stuff is a waste of time, ten times out of twenty it is done by an employee who was pissed off at there boss for firing them. I mean really when is this law ever going to effect the internet shadows and demons that lurk in unsuspected gateways? Never, I say let them pass their irrelevant laws. First and fore most if you are stupid enough to get caught then you deserve whatever they give you. What spammer would ever use his personal email accountor one that could be traced to him? Give up? Okay here comes the answer, an idiot!
>>ou should grow up and be responsible for your actions. Stop whining.
Um, you seem to not be getting the big picture. What if a VA resident decides that he doesn't like you and will file a civil action against you. If this situation is allowed to progress you will be forced to incur the cost of travel for yourself and or a lawyer or you lose by default for not showing up. Even if you show up and win, you're still out the cost of the lawer and the trip.
What if it's done twice? Three times? A dozen times. It'll cost him what $100? Maybe $200 to sue, how much will it cost you for two round trip plane fares and lawer fees?
Do you get what the opposition to this is all about now?
>>The only one of the lot that you can count on to favor your rights over the government regardless of the issue is Thomas, politically incorrect as it is to say this. I used to think that he was peeking over Scalia's shoulder, but in the still rare cases that they vote opposite each other, it's Thomas voting for individual rights, and Scalia voting for government power.
It is exactly this that the liberals (using the modern definition) hate about Thomas. He's a right wing conservative who favors the rights of the individial over what the government deems to be the best for the collective.
>>Your example has Canada passing a law that affects Floridians in Florida. The jurisdictional question deals with foreign persons committing an action in Virginia that affects Virginians.
My point is that he was OUTSIDE of the jurisdiction of the VA court. He (presumably) committed these acts while never setting foot outside of Texas. It would be in the jurisdiction of the TX court system.
>>It does have merit. Consider a pharmaceutical company in California that makes a deadly drug that's marketed to Nebraska. Someone in Nebraska dies. Shouldn't the California company face Nebraska penalties.
No. They're in California. If they committed a crime in CA,(barring a change of venue) they should face justice handed down by a CA court.
>>All states have long arm statutes to enumerate certain powers of the court, or grant them all power that the consititution does not strictly reserve for the federal government (i.e. bankrupcy, patent and copyright, etc.)
Without bilateral agreements of some type with another states those laws are meaningless. Can the US pass a law that says every crime committed in the US, Canada, and Mexico are not prosecutable by the nearest DA in a US city? No! Outside of it's own borders there have no jurisdiction.
>>All states have long arm statutes to enumerate certain powers of the court, or grant them all power that the consititution does not strictly reserve for the federal government (i.e. bankrupcy, patent and copyright, etc.)
Not every section of every law is valid, enforceable, or constitutional. Can you say CDA?
Slashdot Mirror
Posted by lamikr:
>o, while I'm glad to hear of IBM's efforts,
>I'm dubious about the need for another JDK 1.1.x
>port. Particularly one with such a low version
>number. There are a number of critical bugs in
>JDK 1.1.6 (e.g., the "contains()" and "inside()"
>snafu fixed only in 1.2 and 1.1.8), that are
>likely repeated in this port. (Perhaps I'm wrong;
>but then why not version the package up to
>1.1.8?)
With OS/2 I'm officially still using Netscape
4.04 but it still includes security etc. fixes included to Netscape releases with little
higher version-number like (4.05-4.07)...
Maybe same will also happen with JDK 1.16 for
linux when IBM will release final version of it.
Mika
Btw. of friday IBM also released JDK 1.18
beta for OS/2 and this package contains
some stuff from JDK 1.2...
(And with this package comes with some other
extra goodies like ICAT source debugger
which is heavily used also by device-driver developers...)
devi
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
The K5PR-166 ran at 116 mhz. It was 66mhz bus with a 1.75 multiplier. Even though you set the jumpers on the MB to a 2.5 multiplyer the chip only ran at a 116 mhz core speed. Just as a 1.5 multiplier is the same as a 3.5, the 2.5 only does 1.75 on the K5PR-166.
Don't get me wrong, I like AMD. I just bought a K62-450 last week and I think it's sweet, but they better do a bang up job on the K7.
LK
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
>>..either by physically entering the state, or by otherwise having "minimal contacts" within the state.
This is exactly my point, this definition is too ambiguous. This is the portion that the SC will deal with. When I urinate in the woods a portion of that urine evaporates and could possibly blow all across the US, once it enters the other state that is a type of "minimal contact".
>>You appear to be unable to distinguish a crime and a tort, as well (a common problem amongst uneducated American citizens).
You appear to be unable to stick to the issue instead of resorting to insults (a common problem amongst the immature)?
LK
Posted by Psyc_Snyper:
Today we lay to rest the memory of a man who took part in giving to us all a piece of our young and once young imaginations. I can still hear the phrase, "He's dead, Jim" in every possible tone it could be said. The phrase continously echos through my head, and some how ironically it is so suiting for the moment.
So in tribute one last time to the good doctor we say... "HE'S DEAD, JIM!"
Posted by FrankGraphics:
.18 microns, say it's .35 and the wafer is one inch square. The added benefit of proximity and architectural design along with the new machine code(software) would make ground breaking research. This use of clunky CPUs doesn't impress me. The Mercede will use multiple registers and execution units and will do more for the development of parallel processing software research than any of the listed supercomputers!
Why use thousands of antiquated CPUs? Wouldn't it be better to build a multi register CPU similar to MMX but on a scale in the thousands? So what if the chip density isn't
Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:
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[Somewhat offtopic]: Hey, these articles aren't scored. Kinda strange for
Perhaps there are not too many moderators for Java issues? I had to adjust visibility to read the threads--many of which rise above the pissing war of language vs. language, Java vs. C, Java vs. Godzilla, etc..
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Computers are useless. They can only give answers.
I was glad to see yet another 1.1.x port to Linux. However, I wonder how useful this port can be. Consider that it lacks byte coder verification of the class files found in the CLASSPATH. (Note: I assume IBM of all companies followed the white paper on this and didn't change the primordial class loader.)
Consider that it lacks the fine-grained policy provided by JDK 1.2. Consider that the classloaders are limited to URL and sandbox models. Consider that it lacks good JFC support. (Yes, yes, I realize you can just path the swingall.jar libs, but the speed is terrible, even if the bug pathes from Sun precede those of JDK 1.2.2; other people might disagree, but I don't find non-optimized Swing a viable alternative. Plus, there's no Java accessibility, glasgow, etc.)
This is not to fault IBM; they've done wonderful work with Java, and appear to be serious about linux as well. Instead, these are just limitations in the 1.1.x VM--among many others.
So, while I'm glad to hear of IBM's efforts, I'm dubious about the need for another JDK 1.1.x port. Particularly one with such a low version number. There are a number of critical bugs in JDK 1.1.6 (e.g., the "contains()" and "inside()" snafu fixed only in 1.2 and 1.1.8), that are likely repeated in this port. (Perhaps I'm wrong; but then why not version the package up to 1.1.8?)
Let's look at the field of 1.1 VM so far, according at least to FSF's tally:
All of these distros are capable 1.1.x compliant VMs. I was glad to see them when they arrived. But they all lack many of the key improvements in the 1.2 VM:
It strikes me that without javax support for crypto, security, non-port-specific RMI, and other "enterprise enabling" packages, the 1.1.x ports are not that helpful. Of course, someone wanting to make a nice GUI or web client can use the IBM port. (For that matter, why not use blackdown's more mature port?)
So, while we should welcome this distro, I think the Linux Java community needs to press for a good 1.2 VM. (I.e., our debug and testing cycles should be applied to, say jdk1.2pre2 from blackdown, so that thread safety, RMI, drag and drop and other "e-features" start working right.) It's great the IBM has a 1.1.x distro, but it comes kinda late.
I'm sure IBM could amaze us all with a good JDK 1.2 linux port. It would be nice to see the speed that the 2.2 kernel has over Windows fully exploited in a good port.
[Note: Again, I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth; it's just that we need something stronger than yet another horse.]
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Posted by DanTucny:
:)
A recording made of the dinner presentation on the K7 where these latest performance figures were announced is available from JC's ( www.jc-news.com/pc), it is in Real Audio format and has a few mirrors available...
Of course, you've probably already been there and heard it
Posted by phat5n00p3r:
Hey Rasterdude:
You've got total empathy from me, when it comes to bad management, and what they do to creative minds. However, that's a part of reality. It's good that you left RH, because their corporate culture, and your personality are a titanic clash. The guy who bore down hard on you has the unfortunate fate of not working with someone as talented as you.
You've got to understand one thing though. The "corporate" managers, who are nothing more than a pack of loud-mouth,annonying sales types, don't comprehend what Linux is all about. And the reality is that they never will. Their goal in life is to get a job, and get by through pretense, and managerial appeasement.
You are above that, and every decision you make, is always in your benefit. Best of luck in your endeavors, and thanks for the great work you've done.
phat5n00p3r@hushmail.com
Posted by Napalm4u:
i think it uses some kind of unix based system. Besides win98 would make it take an hour just to start up.
besides what about that chessplaying computer by ibm? Deep blue the one who beat the russian by 1 game, how fast was that?
Posted by gadflyjones:
I really suggest changing your distro. Personally I just bought SuSE 6.1, and have been very pleased. Most of the system configuration is contained in one file, not in cryptic psuedo-userfriendly program. Not that redhat or any of the other distros suck, it's just that I like to have everything in one place.
Posted by NJViking:
DeForest Kelley.. may the Aesir and Vanir guide you on your way!
"Cattle die and kinsmen die,
thyself too soon must die,
but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
fair fame of one who has earned." - The Havamal
Posted by Dr Evil:
an open forum? an open forum with anonymouse posting.. you really expect consideration here.. there are vultures here who kill for the sport, not for the food.
I will remember Star Trek forever.. it really was
a show about people, about the future, not future
technology.. a lot of the story could have been
in the 1800's and it would have still made sense.
It was one of the few shows I've seen where the
people actually try to be human, and Dr. McCoy was
one of the most human of all of them. He will be missed, may we get blessed with more like him.
Posted by stodge:
He's just another developer leaving another company. So he has public visibility purely because its RedHat. So what? These things happen every day. Get used to it and get on with your life.
If you hadn't worked out by now, the longer and bitter the slanging match, the uglier it gets. The more you bitch and swap public responses, the lower you go in my esteem. Its a sad cliche, but let your code do the talking.
Posted by d106ene5:
Sorry, those sites are small potatoes. You could run them with an abacus and smoke signals.
Posted by d106ene5:
If your website is not high capacity, you should be okay. By high capacity I mean over 10 million hits a day. Hence Slashdot is not high capacity. If Slashdot got 10 million hits a day you would watch Rob's little world melt down into a puddle of pee - MySQL and mod_perl would meltdown big time.
If you are exceeding 10 million hits a day, avoid hitting a database. You're going to slam the machine in no time. Go for static pages or Apache SSI unless you truly need complex pages built out of a DB. Even then you can usually fudge it with static pages.
Your DBA who wants everything in Oracle should ask himself how much he wants Larry Ellison to control his destiny. Most old timers I know would like to minimize their debt to Oracle.
Posted by d106ene5:
Is it really that interesting as to why this guy quit his job?
It seems like we're really obsessing over what is largely a personal matter. I have no idea why these people set up rant pages when they leave their jobs. How tacky.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
MSSQL "rox" at what? Not providing basic features like large page sizes and query-embeddable user-defined functions?
I'm researching what to use for a midsize datawarehouse-esque DB and MS got the axe immediately in a totally objective feature comparison. That's before we talk about uptimes and speed.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by d106ene5:
Everyone who has tried tying Oracle to a live, high-capacity system on the web ultimately has learned this lesson.
You can squack all you want about what you think you know about Oracle, but the proof is in the pudding. Remember when Excite's home page used to give you an Oracle error??
Lycos is going down this road now too - trust me, they'll be sorry.
I am not talking out my ass, I work at a company that has learned this lesson on a high capacity site.
Posted by generic kewl tech reference:
I guess it is possible that another OS can, under certain conditions, fail. Of course, given my experiences with NT Server, I think it would be insane to put an NT server under those types of load conditions.
Any of y'all out there running Linux with the types of loads eBay has been experiencing?
And two other observations:
1) One wishes that Microsoft was as perceptive about their OS' flaws as they are about Solaris.
2) I'm just a wannabe anyway, what the hell do I know?
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
I see that eBay's share price has dropped sharply today. Related?
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by Psyc_Snyper:
I find it interesting when people make comment of laws being passed against internet mischef to be a blow to free speech. If people are going to make reference to a constitutional principle it should actually apply to the situation. Not every Internet regulating law deals with freedom of speech. In this incident it's more like a trespassing issue than a freedom of speech issue.
To spam or not to spam this is the question, cmon give me a break. That stuff is a waste of time, ten times out of twenty it is done by an employee who was pissed off at there boss for firing them. I mean really when is this law ever going to effect the internet shadows and demons that lurk in unsuspected gateways? Never, I say let them pass their irrelevant laws. First and fore most if you are stupid enough to get caught then you deserve whatever they give you. What spammer would ever use his personal email accountor one that could be traced to him? Give up? Okay here comes the answer, an idiot!
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
>>ou should grow up and be responsible for your actions. Stop whining.
Um, you seem to not be getting the big picture. What if a VA resident decides that he doesn't like you and will file a civil action against you. If this situation is allowed to progress you will be forced to incur the cost of travel for yourself and or a lawyer or you lose by default for not showing up. Even if you show up and win, you're still out the cost of the lawer and the trip.
What if it's done twice? Three times? A dozen times. It'll cost him what $100? Maybe $200 to sue, how much will it cost you for two round trip plane fares and lawer fees?
Do you get what the opposition to this is all about now?
LK
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
Sorry to go off topic, but...
>>The only one of the lot that you can count on to favor your rights over the government regardless of the issue is Thomas, politically incorrect as it is to say this. I used to think that he was peeking over Scalia's shoulder, but in the still rare cases that they vote opposite each other, it's Thomas voting for individual rights, and Scalia voting for government power.
It is exactly this that the liberals (using the modern definition) hate about Thomas. He's a right wing conservative who favors the rights of the individial over what the government deems to be the best for the collective.
LK
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
>>Your example has Canada passing a law that affects Floridians in Florida. The jurisdictional question deals with foreign persons committing an action in Virginia that affects Virginians.
My point is that he was OUTSIDE of the jurisdiction of the VA court. He (presumably) committed these acts while never setting foot outside of Texas. It would be in the jurisdiction of the TX court system.
>>It does have merit. Consider a pharmaceutical company in California that makes a deadly drug that's marketed to Nebraska. Someone in Nebraska dies. Shouldn't the California company face Nebraska penalties.
No. They're in California. If they committed a crime in CA,(barring a change of venue) they should face justice handed down by a CA court.
>>All states have long arm statutes to enumerate certain powers of the court, or grant them all power that the consititution does not strictly reserve for the federal government (i.e. bankrupcy, patent and copyright, etc.)
Without bilateral agreements of some type with another states those laws are meaningless. Can the US pass a law that says every crime committed in the US, Canada, and Mexico are not prosecutable by the nearest DA in a US city? No! Outside of it's own borders there have no jurisdiction.
>>All states have long arm statutes to enumerate certain powers of the court, or grant them all power that the consititution does not strictly reserve for the federal government (i.e. bankrupcy, patent and copyright, etc.)
Not every section of every law is valid, enforceable, or constitutional. Can you say CDA?
LK