Sorry, dude, but you're arguing that just because you let go of a ball the LAST TIME it fell, that it won't fall this time. You're trying to argue against the most basic fundamental principle of economics, which is that, if you don't put any barriers in the way of their getting hired (e.g. like unemployment insurance -- as if you can insure against something somebody chooses to do! Or e.g. anti-discrimination hiring laws), people will always be able to find a job. The only (real) protection that workers have is their ability to move on to a better job.
No, the model isn't different this time, just like oxygen will still combine with two hydrogens to create heat and water. Every time. Without fail.
I love slashdot. People post things that they obviously think are true, and when challenged to defend their (stupid-ass) ideas, they claim they were just joking. -russ
Sigh. Such economic ignorance! Tell me, David, when we pay an Indian worker a dollar an hour, what does he do with that dollar? Where can he spend it? Can he go to the local McDonald's and buy lunch? Maybe, but where do THEY spend that dollar?
Eventually, every dollar paid to an overseas worker comes back as a purchase of American goods. Either that, or else they become collectible presidential portraits, albeit somewhat green-tinged. So how can you say that foreign trade "bleeds our resources" without making yourself an economic fool?
You're comparing one form of politics against another. You don't have to use politics to organize a society. You can use markets, although we both know what you think about THAT idea. -russ
Roger, the problem with your argument is that it has been made ten years ago, twenty, fifty, a hundred, two hundred years ago, and EVERY TIME it's been proven to be wrong. Why do you argue a point which has never been right? Because it's an attractive point? Because it's sympathetic to the people who get hurt by progress? Let's say that you had your way, and progress was shut down. What about the people who continue to be hurt because of the lack of progress? Oh, you can't identify THEM, so you'll ignore it.
Go read Bastiat's essay on "That which is seen and that which is unseen." -russ
Tell me: when engineering which properly belongs in New York State is outsourced to California, who suffers? That's been going on for years, and frankly, I don't see any New York State companies suffering. Honestly, Sammy, you really ought to learn more about Ricardo's Law before you criticize it. Ignorance is so ugly. -russ
Europe's coal resources were there during the Roman Empire. Plenty of raw materials and energy sources. Why weren't they wealthy then? It's not because of our raw materials, energy sources, size of the market, or any other bogus explanation. It's because we are free to seek our dreams. Life, liberty, and property. And yes, to the extent that other people adopt these innovations, they will also be successful. It's not like we're keeping these ideas a secret! It's just that other people don't (as you don't) attribute such a simple thing to such prosperity. They think that something unique to the US which cannot be reproduced elsewhere is responsible. -russ
"fault" of discounting the future?? The future is uncertain. It's only reasonable to discount it. If you don't believe me, then I'll buy your opinion. Look me up in twenty years and I'll pay you $20. Have I changed your mind now? Oops, you discounted the future. -russ
Um, dude, we have been making the economy more and more efficient every year for the last two hundred years, and rather than being less and less jobs, there are more and more jobs. I'm sorry, but your theory fails the test of explaining the past -- much less the test of explaining the future. -russ
Um.... Who is making this assertion? Whoever is doing it is full of BULL SHIT (as you say). It's not about talent, it's about cost. Learn more about economics before say things about economics. -russ
Sigh. You should take an economics course or two before you graduate. Maybe then you wouldn't say such nonsense. -russ
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The trouble is that education is too centralized. Yes, some methods will succeed and some will fail. The trouble is that everybody moves in lock-step. "Okay, we're all going to try Whole-Word Reading this decade". If they're wrong, then EVERYBODY is wrong. That's why vouchers are good. Not because they change the money, but because they change the freedom. In that regard open source can help, as an example of what freedom can create. -russ p.s. ask a public school teacher what they hate most about their job. The #1 reason will be something that takes away their freedom to be the best teacher they can be.
Gee, I live in a small town, and my friend Mark, who teaches chemistry at a local public school, recently sold his motor home. They enjoy their new custom-built home (with a special room dedicated just for his wife's quilting) so much that they don't travel anymore. Of course, travelling with a seven-member household is a bit tough. Fortunately, the oldest two children have moved out (aren't a part of the household anymore. That means that you add two to seven to get the size of the family.... raised on a public school teacher's salary).
My anecdotal evidence beats your anecdotal evidence, throws it to the mat, climbs on the ropes and pancakes it. -russ
All Teachers are always paid a livable AND decent wage, everywhere.
That is as obviously false as your assertion that "Teachers are not paid a decent wage." You should have failed Logical Analysis. Instead, here you are, a voting adult. Please, God, spare me from living in a democracy! Give me our republic back!
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Sorry, dude, but you're arguing that just because you let go of a ball the LAST TIME it fell, that it won't fall this time. You're trying to argue against the most basic fundamental principle of economics, which is that, if you don't put any barriers in the way of their getting hired (e.g. like unemployment insurance -- as if you can insure against something somebody chooses to do! Or e.g. anti-discrimination hiring laws), people will always be able to find a job. The only (real) protection that workers have is their ability to move on to a better job.
No, the model isn't different this time, just like oxygen will still combine with two hydrogens to create heat and water. Every time. Without fail.
I love slashdot. People post things that they obviously think are true, and when challenged to defend their (stupid-ass) ideas, they claim they were just joking.
-russ
Sigh. Such economic ignorance! Tell me, David, when we pay an Indian worker a dollar an hour, what does he do with that dollar? Where can he spend it? Can he go to the local McDonald's and buy lunch? Maybe, but where do THEY spend that dollar?
Eventually, every dollar paid to an overseas worker comes back as a purchase of American goods. Either that, or else they become collectible presidential portraits, albeit somewhat green-tinged. So how can you say that foreign trade "bleeds our resources" without making yourself an economic fool?
You're comparing one form of politics against another. You don't have to use politics to organize a society. You can use markets, although we both know what you think about THAT idea.
-russ
Did they really mean to say "pubic" at the end of the first paragraph??
-russ
Yup. Why are you posting wisdom as an anonymous coward?
-russ
Roger, the problem with your argument is that it has been made ten years ago, twenty, fifty, a hundred, two hundred years ago, and EVERY TIME it's been proven to be wrong. Why do you argue a point which has never been right? Because it's an attractive point? Because it's sympathetic to the people who get hurt by progress? Let's say that you had your way, and progress was shut down. What about the people who continue to be hurt because of the lack of progress? Oh, you can't identify THEM, so you'll ignore it.
Go read Bastiat's essay on "That which is seen and that which is unseen."
-russ
Tell me: when engineering which properly belongs in New York State is outsourced to California, who suffers? That's been going on for years, and frankly, I don't see any New York State companies suffering. Honestly, Sammy, you really ought to learn more about Ricardo's Law before you criticize it. Ignorance is so ugly.
-russ
Europe's coal resources were there during the Roman Empire. Plenty of raw materials and energy sources. Why weren't they wealthy then? It's not because of our raw materials, energy sources, size of the market, or any other bogus explanation. It's because we are free to seek our dreams. Life, liberty, and property. And yes, to the extent that other people adopt these innovations, they will also be successful. It's not like we're keeping these ideas a secret! It's just that other people don't (as you don't) attribute such a simple thing to such prosperity. They think that something unique to the US which cannot be reproduced elsewhere is responsible.
-russ
"fault" of discounting the future?? The future is uncertain. It's only reasonable to discount it. If you don't believe me, then I'll buy your opinion. Look me up in twenty years and I'll pay you $20. Have I changed your mind now? Oops, you discounted the future.
-russ
It's not about the size of the US market -- but that's certainly the theory driving the EU to eliminate tariffs.
-russ
Um, dude, we have been making the economy more and more efficient every year for the last two hundred years, and rather than being less and less jobs, there are more and more jobs. I'm sorry, but your theory fails the test of explaining the past -- much less the test of explaining the future.
-russ
Progress always fuck people over, but the alternative--never improving anything--is worse.
Um .... Who is making this assertion? Whoever is doing it is full of BULL SHIT (as you say). It's not about talent, it's about cost. Learn more about economics before say things about economics.
-russ
Sigh. You should take an economics course or two before you graduate. Maybe then you wouldn't say such nonsense.
-russ
The trouble is that education is too centralized. Yes, some methods will succeed and some will fail. The trouble is that everybody moves in lock-step. "Okay, we're all going to try Whole-Word Reading this decade". If they're wrong, then EVERYBODY is wrong. That's why vouchers are good. Not because they change the money, but because they change the freedom. In that regard open source can help, as an example of what freedom can create.
-russ
p.s. ask a public school teacher what they hate most about their job. The #1 reason will be something that takes away their freedom to be the best teacher they can be.
Hahahahahaha! You are, of course, correct, if ironic.
Spoken like a true public-school graduate!
-russ
p.s. it's not too late to learn. Never has been.
They don't know how to use it either. Utilize is for impressing teachers. Use "use" instead.
-russ
Gee, I live in a small town, and my friend Mark, who teaches chemistry at a local public school, recently sold his motor home. They enjoy their new custom-built home (with a special room dedicated just for his wife's quilting) so much that they don't travel anymore. Of course, travelling with a seven-member household is a bit tough. Fortunately, the oldest two children have moved out (aren't a part of the household anymore. That means that you add two to seven to get the size of the family .... raised on a public school teacher's salary).
My anecdotal evidence beats your anecdotal evidence, throws it to the mat, climbs on the ropes and pancakes it.
-russ
All Teachers are always paid a livable AND decent wage, everywhere.
That is as obviously false as your assertion that "Teachers are not paid a decent wage." You should have failed Logical Analysis. Instead, here you are, a voting adult. Please, God, spare me from living in a democracy! Give me our republic back!
People are manmade. Woman-made, too. Do you smash people?
Hi, Zeek. I run Fedora. Fedora is the next messiah of OSes. Think of it as Debian without the bullshit. Or ... at least that was the plan.
-russ
It's exactly why I hate Debian: it's the politics.
Not funny??? Quick, somebody call in a humor transfusion for this guy!